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Topic	Finally watched Spider-Man:Far From Home Spoilers
ParanoidObsessive 12/15/21 7:27:27 AM #12:	streamofthesky posted... * Nick Fury was never actually in any danger at all * Mysterio wasn't cleverly manipulating Fury for his own ends the entire movie after all * A lot of Mysterio's plan had no chance of ever working in the long run b/c it wasn't really Fury in the first place Ehh, I think that's a more negative interpretation than is strictly warranted. Fury has clearly given Talos a fair bit of clearance to make things happen in his absence, to help keep up the charade. So if Mysterio manages to trick Skrull Fury into doing what he wants, he succeeds at his plan just as much as he would have if it was the real Fury. Even in the end, when he's going to kill Fury (which won't work because he'd be killing the Skrull, not the real one), it would still work for his plan - he doesn't actually need Fury dead as much as it will add to his overall narrative... and a dead doppelganger works for that just as well as the real one does. So even if the real Fury shows up later and is like "Nah, that wasn't me, it was a body double", Mysterio still "wins". Plus, you know, Peter and most of his friends would be dead, so it's not as if there's no stakes if Peter fails to stop Mysterio. They're just not entirely the stakes you thought they were. But things not being what they seem is pretty much the entire point of the movie anyway. streamofthesky posted... * Prior to the scene, Spider-Man was the hero who stopped Mysterio's nefarious plot. After that scene, it means Spidey's involvement was basically just being duped into giving Mysterio the murder drones and then undoing that mistake by getting them back. That's literally Spidey's involvement regardless of whether or not Fury is real. Peter IS straight up duped into giving Mysterio the murder drones, and the only heroic thing he actually accomplishes all movie is literally cleaning up his own mistake. If Peter had stayed home and just smashed the glasses in the first 5 minutes of the movie, he would arguably have accomplished more of heroic value than anything he accomplishes in the movie as-is. Mysterio isn't really all that much of a threat until Peter makes him one And that's regardless of whether or not Fury is real, fake, a ghost, or not involved at all. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:960931643] in Finally wa... [t:79810944]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>* Nick Fury was never actually in any danger at all * Mysterio wasn't cleverly manipulating Fury for his own ends the entire movie after all * A lot of Mysterio's plan had no chance of ever working in the long run b/c it wasn't really Fury in the first place</quote> Ehh, I think that's a more negative interpretation than is strictly warranted. Fury has clearly given Talos a fair bit of clearance to make things happen in his absence, to help keep up the charade. So if Mysterio manages to trick Skrull Fury into doing what he wants, he succeeds at his plan just as much as he would have if it was the real Fury. Even in the end, when he's going to kill Fury (which won't work because he'd be killing the Skrull, not the real one), it would still work for his plan - he doesn't actually need Fury dead as much as it will add to his overall narrative... and a dead doppelganger works for that just as well as the real one does. So even if the real Fury shows up later and is like "Nah, that wasn't me, it was a body double", Mysterio still "wins". Plus, you know, Peter and most of his friends would be dead, so it's not as if there's no stakes if Peter fails to stop Mysterio. They're just not entirely the stakes you thought they were. But things not being what they seem is pretty much the entire point of the movie anyway. <cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>* Prior to the scene, Spider-Man was the hero who stopped Mysterio's nefarious plot. After that scene, it means Spidey's involvement was basically just being duped into giving Mysterio the murder drones and then undoing that mistake by getting them back.</quote> That's literally Spidey's involvement regardless of whether or not Fury is real. Peter IS straight up duped into giving Mysterio the murder drones, and the only heroic thing he actually accomplishes all movie is literally cleaning up his own mistake. If Peter had stayed home and just smashed the glasses in the first 5 minutes of the movie, he would arguably have accomplished more of heroic value than anything he accomplishes in the movie as-is. Mysterio isn't really all that much of a threat until Peter makes him one And that's regardless of whether or not Fury is real, fake, a ghost, or not involved at all. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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