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Topic	Outrage after Trans MMA Fighter and former US Veteran DEFEATS Female Opponent!!!
adjl 09/15/21 3:56:32 PM #65:	ReturnOfFa posted... The points people put forth make sense, but never seem to pan out across the board. This is really the central issue here. Yes, it makes sense that there would be problems in theory, and if you'd presented that theory to me before data were available, I would have completely agreed. But now data is available, and that theory falls flat in the face of actual evidence. Evidently, for all the concerns about "boy puberty" and whatnot, HRT does enough to harm athletic prowess that trans people are not measurably outperforming their cis counterparts. That is the empirical reality of the situation. EvilMegas posted... No one forced the French fighter to compete, if she felt it was an unfair advantage she could've backed out. Yeah, I suppose I should have specifically called out that particular obvious falsehood from totally-not-schmen's post: Notschmendrake posted... [cis female athletes'] inability to denounce or decline the fight without significant harm to their careers Full Throttle posted... [MacLaughlin] noted it was a "nightmare" finding an opponent for the fight Many other fighters did decline the fight, so unless you've heard more than I have about all of those people being forced into retirement (which is not impossible. I'll keep an open mind) whatever fears you have about their careers being significantly harmed are apparently completely baseless. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958086287] in Outrage af... [t:79660331]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>The points people put forth make sense, but never seem to pan out across the board.</quote> This is really the central issue here. Yes, it makes sense that there would be problems in theory, and if you'd presented that theory to me before data were available, I would have completely agreed. But now data is available, and that theory falls flat in the face of actual evidence. Evidently, for all the concerns about "boy puberty" and whatnot, HRT does enough to harm athletic prowess that trans people are not measurably outperforming their cis counterparts. That is the empirical reality of the situation. EvilMegas posted... </cite> <quote>No one forced the French fighter to compete, if she felt it was an unfair advantage she could've backed out.</quote> Yeah, I suppose I should have specifically called out that particular obvious falsehood from totally-not-schmen's post: Notschmendrake posted... </cite> <quote>[cis female athletes'] inability to denounce or decline the fight without significant harm to their careers</quote>Full Throttle posted... </cite> <quote>[MacLaughlin] noted it was a "nightmare" finding an opponent for the fight</quote> Many other fighters did decline the fight, so unless you've heard more than I have about all of those people being forced into retirement (which is not impossible. I'll keep an open mind) whatever fears you have about their careers being significantly harmed are apparently completely baseless. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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