Poll of the Day > Outrage after Trans MMA Fighter and former US Veteran DEFEATS Female Opponent!!!

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The second openly transgender MMA fighter in the US has won her debut against a french fighter which has reignited the debate over trans women in sports.

38 y/o Alana McLaughlin won her first match in the Combate Global Prelims against Celine Provost ending the match with a rear naked chocke 3 minutes and 32 seconds into the second round

The South Carolina native began transitioning in 2010 after spending 6 years in the United States Special Forces

Her victory yet again prompted backlash from people who say it's unfair for a trans woman to compete against cis gendered athletes in the sports

McLaughlin responded "I'm getting a lot of variations of the same nasty messages clalin gme a cheater like i didn't just get beat on for a round a half. Y'all need to show Celine Provost some respect and take your concern trolling elsewhere. Transphones are just making my block hand stronger"

She's the second openly trans athlete to fight in the MMA profesionally in the US following Fallon Fox who made history in 2012 in her debut

McLaughlin said she wants to pick the up mantle that Fox put down in this sport and says she's following her footsteps

She's been training for more than a year in preparation for this fight but it was delayed when Provost tested positive for COVID back in August

She was born "Ryan" who cleared a hormone panel issed by the Florida State Boxing Commission but noted it was a "nightmare" finding an opponent for the fight

She said she has nothing but respect for Celine but social media was not kind on her however as sports podcast Angela David Castro said "She spent 5 years as a woman meaning she lived 33 years her life as a man."..

Another said "I think people can identify with whatever they like but i don't think this as a place in combat sports"

McLaughlin said she wants to see more trans athletes and to see more opportunities for them and that they have to work theirw ay into those spaces to make it happen and wants it to be more normalized

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I don't like sports.

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I think there was a South Park episode about this.

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Lobomoon posted...

I think there was a South Park episode about this.

which was hilarious

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People also get outraged when trans athletes lose, so I think it's obvious what the outrage is actually motivated by.

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This really fucks with some people.

On one hand, they dont want to sound as if theyre against trans rights. But on the other hand, they want to stand up for womens rights.


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Gaawa_chan posted...

People also get outraged when trans athletes lose, so I think it's obvious what the outrage is actually motivated by.

Nestle?

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Dude playing fantasy land dress up beats up on a girl and people cheer him for it? Sounds like he needs mental help, not cheering for. Please seek out a Dr. for help.

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Decoy77 posted...

Dude playing fantasy land dress up beats up on a girl and people cheer him for it? Sounds like he needs mental help, not cheering for. Please seek out a Dr. for help.

Wow? Really? I never thought you were transphobic... But I guess we don't usually talk much...
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@Decoy77

youre spreading hate speech that is medically and scientifically incorrect which does real harm to real people

I wont argue with you because you are going to believe what you want, but please refrain from spreading hateful messages like that online

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Trans only category when?

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DANTE20XX posted...

Trans only category when?

why not just a major and a minor league based on ability?

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Remember kids: Trans athletes are only allowed to compete with their target gender if they never win.

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HornedLion posted...

On one hand, they dont want to sound as if theyre against trans rights. But on the other hand, they want to stand up for womens rights.

And that false dichotomy is what keeps things going for so long. It is all human rights, the right to be oneself, regardless of sex or gender.

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Biological women really just dont get to have anything, do we?

I fully support Trans people and think any hate they get for it to be disgusting (got a Trans cousin who is not understood at all by some of our family) but it's not right to have people that were born male and went through puberty as a male to be competing against cis women

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they get what they deserve

taste of their own medicine

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Men are simply better both in sports and at being women

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I support trans people in sports.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

I support trans people in sports.

so you hate women. got it.

Notschmendrake posted...

so you hate women. got it.

What measurable harm has come from trans women being allowed to compete in women's leagues?

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Notschmendrake posted...

so you hate women. got it.

And youre sexist. Got it.
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Call it whatever you want but its a scientific fact that it was a biological man named Ryan beating a woman. The fact that this event was even allowed is insane. He shouldve fought a male opponent for a fair fight.

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Red04 posted...

Call it whatever you want but its a scientific fact that it was a biological man named Ryan beating a woman.

Which science would that be?

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adjl posted...

Which science would that be?

Biological and medical science used by doctors to define gender at birth.

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Red04 posted...

Biological and medical science used by doctors to define gender at birth.

so are you gonna deny that same science now that it is changing and we are learning more? You cant have it both ways

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people cheered while this person beat up a woman last night. they called it a victory for trans rights.

biological females really do not get to have anything. any stride that is ever taken by us just gets tromped on by bio-males, regardless of whether they still have their dicks or if they identify as male. we dont get anything thats ours. oh except child birth and bleeding out of our crotches once a month. no matter how many hormones they stuff into someone theyll never get to know THOSE joys /s

not surprised to see the same men in this topic, doing the same shit in the name of "social justice"

adjl posted...

What measurable harm has come from trans women being allowed to compete in women's leagues?

well lets see, just looking at the two high profile times its happened in this sport alone we got to watch to biological females get their fucking faces pounded in by someone who got to grow up biologically male and enjoy all the physical advantages that entails.

I'd say the harm done to those women, and their inability to denounce or decline the fight without significant harm to their careers is harm enough for me. but please, mansplain to me all about what a woman should feel after watching that disgusting fucking display.

Mead posted...

medically and scientifically incorrect

Transgenderism is firmly in the realm of psychology.

Mead posted...

so are you gonna deny that same science now that it is changing and we are learning more? You cant have it both ways

Its not. Stop reading radical media.

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bulbinking posted...

Transgenderism is firmly in the realm of psychology.

your point being? The mind is part of the body.

bulbinking posted...

Its not. Stop reading radical media.

Post links to prove it then or get lost.


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adjl posted...

What measurable harm has come from trans women being allowed to compete in women's leagues?

An affected win/loss record.
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Notschmendrake posted...

so you hate women. got it.

All of my female friends would probably disagree, so cheers. You seem a bit presumptuous about my personal relationships with women.

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Notschmendrake posted...

well lets see, just looking at the two high profile times its happened in this sport alone we got to watch to biological females get their fucking faces pounded in by someone who got to grow up biologically male and enjoy all the physical advantages that entails.

I'd say the harm done to those women, and their inability to denounce or decline the fight without significant harm to their careers is harm enough for me. but please, mansplain to me all about what a woman should feel after watching that disgusting fucking display.

were these women 'pounded in' to a different degree than they normally are within the sport they are partaking in? no. is the opposing competitor always 'pounded in' by trans athletes? no. idk dude all the women I know agree with me. in my family, outside my family...you're a woman I'm guessing, or?

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Revelation34 posted...

An affected win/loss record.

let's see it

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Mead posted...

The mind is part of the body.

Psychology is not science.

Mead posted...

Post links to prove it then or get lost.

You made the claim, the burden of evidence is on you. Its a debate ive been studying on an academic level for almost a decade now so you will lose.

I dont think these people should be hated or discriminated against, but that does not mean people should indulge in their psychosis either.

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bulbinking posted...

You made the claim, the burden of evidence is on you.

not gonna debate the counter-factual with someone that has literally posted links to overt white supremacy sites on this board

bulbinking posted...

Psychology is not science.

congrats on your years of study but to save yourself a lot of time it seems like you need some remedial lessons on the basics

https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/how-is-psychology-a-science/



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bulbinking posted...

Psychology is not science.

You made the claim, the burden of evidence is on you. Its a debate ive been studying on an academic level for almost a decade now so you will lose.

I dont think these people should be hated or discriminated against, but that does not mean people should indulge in their psychosis either.

nice an academic without their sources readily available

kind of like my bad profs

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Mead posted...

not gonna debate the counter-factual with someone that has literally posted links to overt white supremacy sites on this board

congrats on your years of study but to save yourself a lot of time it seems like you need some remedial lessons on the basics

https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/how-is-psychology-a-science/

I told you to stop with radical media.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/theory-knowledge/201601/the-is-psychology-science-debate


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bulbinking posted...

I told you to stop with radical media.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/theory-knowledge/201601/the-is-psychology-science-debate

Again youve just posted a counter-factual debate

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You guys must be brainwashed to somehow believing that men and women's bodies don't develop muscles differently, trans in their mind or not.

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DANTE20XX posted...

You guys must be brainwashed to somehow believing that men and women's bodies don't develop muscles differently, trans in their mind or not.

who claimed such a thing?

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Lmao at people whining about unfair advantages. Some people are born smarter, more talented, more muscular, etc. there are women who could kick my ass.

So much transphobia

Notschmendrake posted...

well lets see, just looking at the two high profile times its happened in this sport alone we got to watch to biological females get their f***ing faces pounded in by someone who got to grow up biologically male and enjoy all the physical advantages that entails.

Whoa whoa whoa. You mean to tell me that somebody got beaten up in a combat sport? Oh dear god. This cannot be allowed to continue!

Presumably, you're referring to Fox and this person. Fox had a thoroughly unremarkable career. She injured one opponent, which detractors love to fixate on (usually with the "fractured skull" line, which is blatant fearmongering when you're talking about an orbital fracture, given how common that is in any sport where people are routinely punched in the face) and won a few fights, but lost most of her other ones. Her performance (including the rate at which she caused injuries) was pretty ordinary.

MacLaughlin has had one fight. She won it, sure, but that's not exactly a meaningful sample size. You really can't say much of anything from that.

When asked to provide measurable harm that has come from a certain policy, you're going to stand a much better chance of making a convincing argument if you A) Provide actual measurements, and B) Ensure that those measurements actually support the conclusion you're trying to draw. N=1 doesn't support much of anything, nor does not really differing from the average. Sorry, please try again.

Red04 posted...

Biological and medical science used by doctors to define gender at birth.

And which "biological and medical science" would that be? Why does the definition of gender at birth matter more than the definition of gender after more psychological growth? Why are we limiting ourselves to the biological and medical science used to define gender at birth instead of also considering the biological and medical science involved in transitioning?

As a general tip, saying "it's just science" when you don't actually understand any science beyond high school doesn't make you sound any smarter. Quite the opposite, in fact. Every scientifically literate person knows how utterly meaningless that claim is.

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adjl posted...

Whoa whoa whoa. You mean to tell me that somebody got beaten up in a combat sport? Oh dear god. This cannot be allowed to continue!

Presumably, you're referring to Fox and this person. Fox had a thoroughly unremarkable career. She injured one opponent, which detractors love to fixate on (usually with the "fractured skull" line, which is blatant fearmongering when you're talking about an orbital fracture, given how common that is in any sport where people are routinely punched in the face) and won a few fights, but lost most of her other ones. Her performance (including the rate at which she caused injuries) was pretty ordinary.

MacLaughlin has had one fight. She won it, sure, but that's not exactly a meaningful sample size. You really can't say much of anything from that.

When asked to provide measurable harm that has come from a certain policy, you're going to stand a much better chance of making a convincing argument if you A) Provide actual measurements, and B) Ensure that those measurements actually support the conclusion you're trying to draw. N=1 doesn't support much of anything, nor does not really differing from the average. Sorry, please try again.

And which "biological and medical science" would that be? Why does the definition of gender at birth matter more than the definition of gender after more psychological growth? Why are we limiting ourselves to the biological and medical science used to define gender at birth instead of also considering the biological and medical science involved in transitioning?

As a general tip, saying "it's just science" when you don't actually understand any science beyond high school doesn't make you sound any smarter. Quite the opposite, in fact. Every scientifically literate person knows how utterly meaningless that claim is.

thank you very much for cherry picking my post and then mansplaining to me how it is ok for a biological male to beat a woman in front of a cheering crowd. you are so kind, and not at all an apologist for deplorable behavior.

jk, youre actually kinda scummy

just posting again for tall the apologists who keep ignoring it.

this is the person who beat a woman in a combat sport. this is the person who grew up biologically male, and gained the enhanced grip strength, upper body strength and every other advantage that goes along with it, who then stepped into the female class and won a "victory".

there is no argument to be made. if you approve of this, you hate anyone who was born biologically female, and you are just a straight up shitty person.

but please, all of you men continue to tout this as some victory for trans rights as if you arent just using it as yet another excuse to further oppress women.

pathetic.

Notschmendrake posted...

if you approve of this, you hate anyone who was born biologically female

We don't have to hate biological women just because your sexist ass said so. We can spprove and still like biologically born females... So, there is an argument to be made. You just don't want to hear it is all. Or won't believe it regardless of the facts... You've been extremely sexist since you started posting here... Like blatantly sexist... So, you're the shitty one here... And that has nothing to do with you're gender (because that's always you're excuse)... But it has everything to do with your shitty personality...
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The only people who think this is ok are delusional people trying to score woke points

Radfems vs Biological Denialists

whoever wins...
We lose
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Sycophant posted...

Lmao at people whining about unfair advantages. Some people are born smarter, more talented, more muscular, etc. there are women who could kick my ass.

So much transphobia

Why even have separate leagues for mens and women's sports? I'm sure all the talented women would rise to the top of the NBA. Brock lesnar would be no match for Rhonda rousy.

Notschmendrake posted...

thank you very much for cherry picking my post

I felt that I covered the rest well enough to not warrant responding specifically to it, but if you need it spelled out for you:

Notschmendrake posted...

I'd say the harm done to those women, and their inability to denounce or decline the fight without significant harm to their careers is harm enough for me.

I asked for *measurable* harm. What measurements do you have of that harm? Specifically, what measurements do you have of that harm that exceed the amount of harm that could be expected from a cis woman competing in Fox's place (a comparison which will also involve measuring that harm to establish a baseline)?

Notschmendrake posted...

mansplaining to me how it is ok for a biological male to beat a woman in front of a cheering crowd.

The same way it's okay for a biological female to beat a woman in front of a cheering crowd: It's a combat sport. People beating the crap out of each other is the point. Gender-segregated leagues aren't because it's categorically unacceptable for men to beat women, they're because innate biological advantages make for unfair, uninteresting competition and potentially higher injury rates (depending on the nature of the sport).

In theory, trans women can be expected to possess those same biological advantages, so there's a case to be made for keeping them out of women's leagues. In practice, however, they've been allowed across the board in the Olympics for well over a decade now, and those theoretical problems simply haven't manifested (hardly any trans athletes have even qualified, let alone dominated their respective sports). Actual experimental data has disproved that hypothesis (or at least given no reason to believe it to be valid), so there's no reason to cling to it the way you are.

This is why I ask specifically for measurable harm: There's been ample opportunity for data to be generated to support your theory. Therefore, unless you can find supportive data (which you have been unable to provide), you shouldn't believe your theory to be factual. That's how actual science works, and plenty of people with much better understandings of both endocrinology and the sports in question are carrying out that science by carefully monitoring these situations to see how the regulations need to be adjusted. Just relax and let them do their job; if problems arise, they'll be fixed.

OhhhJa posted...

The only people who think this is ok are delusional people trying to score woke points

Are you able to provide examples of measurable harm that has come from trans women being allowed to compete in women's leagues?

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