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Sahuagin posted...

the whole point with this is that I might be wrong, but I have to figure out where and why. or at least understand where the core difference in our positions is, and then agree to disagree if there's no budging from there.

I think we agree that exposing people against their will is wrong, but the core difference is that I'm placing (what I consider to be) reasonable limitations on what their will should be. Walking into a nudist colony and complaining about being subjected to nudity against one's will is not reasonable. That's completely within what somebody can expect upon walking into a nudist colony, so if that's not something they wanted to see, that's on them, not anyone else.

Here, nudity is expected. The issue is not "I didn't want to see naked people," it's "I'm fine with seeing naked people, unless they look like this one did." I am arguing that there's no reason to single out trans women as being so distinct from every other naked woman there as to warrant a special warning or a response like this. You seem to still be stuck on the "she didn't want to see it so showing it to her without warning is wrong" point, rather than arguing why trans women should be singled out. As far as I can tell, you don't feel that any other unusual trait (such as the Spongebob tattoo I keep making an analogy to) warrants a specific warning, so that means you need to come up with an actual reason why willies need special treatment to refute me.

Ultimately, this is going to be a routine experience if trans people are actually accepted into society (since letting trans women use women's facilities without specially identifying them is part of accepting them). If we accept that trans acceptance is a worthwhile goal, this sort of reaction cannot be tolerated, as the two are mutually exclusive. Under current societal expectations, yes, it is shocking to see a dong in the ladies' room. That's gotta change. Seeing a dong is no more harmful than seeing a full-body Spongebob tattoo, so there's no reason to keep freaking out about it. Validating responses like this keep people from getting over that reaction, constituting a major impedance to the goal of trans acceptance.

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