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ParanoidObsessive 02/11/21 6:53:41 AM #172:	Zeus posted... Out of context? What more context can you give this crap? These are full length videos that the COMPANY itself is putting out there, like a toddler proud of showing his parents that they crapped their diaper. See, it's posts like this that kind of highlight the strength of your bias. Because your feelings about it are so damned strong, at this point you're never really going to be objective or open-minded about anything you see. Even if something was handled well, you'd never really be able to see it. But by context, I mean you're not really watching the show. You're listening to Cornette's opinions of the show, only hearing about the parts Cornette generally hates the most, having every facet and detail he objects to explained to you in deliberately rhetoric-driven language (which you're echoing in your posting style), and then going to YouTube to watch isolated clips you've already been poisoned against, which by your own admission are mostly the clips Cornette himself has ranted the most about. You're not really going to watch them to form your own opinion, you're going their to confirm his bias. At this point, even going to watch the full show for yourself wouldn't help, because you'd only be doing it so you can "prove" your pre-existing opinion. The irony is, I'm not even making the argument that AEW is great, or that every wrestling fan should love it. I'm just pointing out that you're no longer capable of being even remotely objective about it. Keep in mind, ALL of this started because I objected to your "slight" bias comment. All you've really been doing is proving my point. Zeus posted... It's telling that you highlight Dave Meltzer who has long been a Kenny Omega shill -- giving him 20-star matches years before AEW -- and whose excessive praise for AEW has led many to suspect that Tony Khan has been paying him (something reinforced by one of Meltzer's tweets to Cornette). It's also telling that Cornette used to be highly complimentary of Meltzer and would praise both his knowledge of the industry and his taste in wrestling right up to the point where the two disagreed over AEW, at which point Cornette's opinion changed 180 degrees and now he struggles to say even a single good thing about Meltzer retroactively (and they've both admitted they were friends before and now no longer speak to each other). This in spite of the fact that Cornette has basically implied multiple times that he used to be one of Meltzer's sources in the past (which itself is kind of ironic, because it means he was feeding behind-the-scenes info to "The Dirt Sheets", and effectively helping to hurt the very kayfabe he loves so much). He's had similar issues with Jim Ross (which Ross himself has called him out for, in spite of the fact that Ross seems to pretty clearly hate AEW himself, even as he's getting paid to pretend to care about it). It's also worth noting that the "many" who suspect Meltzer is getting paid are mostly just Cornette himself and his fans, so we're sort of caught in a self-reinforcing loop here (and even Cornette has implied in the past that he doesn't think Meltzer's getting paid as much as he likes the attention he gets from certain wrestlers sucking up to him). Zeus posted... Which is a silly go-to defense for trying to undermine legitimate opinions about how awful AEW is. Cornette can get a lot more attention by lambasting wrestlers people have actually heard of Which these days, would be pretty much no one. As you've pointed out, the wrestling industry has become so fringe, the mainstream has no clue who Roman Reigns is, let alone anyone further down the card. For the most part, unless we're talking Attitude Era, pre-Attitude Era, or John Cena, the vast majority of non wrestling fans have no idea who you're talking about. But Cornette isn't really fishing for those people. He's fishing for wrestling fans. And whether or not you agree, hating AEW is very fertile ground. He gets far more attention on Twitter and in social media circles in general by hating on AEW than he does hating on WWE (where most people agree with him). Which in turn boosts his fanbase. He's fully aware that bashing AEW helps keep him relevant (even aside from the fact that a lot of his fans basically ask him to bash AEW on a regular basis). Even if the reaction to that bashing doesn't translate into direct support (people who hate Cornette and what he says are more likely to listen to clips or angrily re-Tweet quotes than they are to listen to/subscribe to his show), it still keeps him in the public eye, which in turn helps draw audience to him. People who agree with his stance or who remember being wrestling fans 40 years ago may be more likely to find him when angry wrestling fans can't stop complaining about how much of an angry out-of-touch curmudgeon he is. SPEAKING OF WHICH... Zeus posted... and discussing wrestling incidents people actually care about than talking about AEW. If anything, Cornette bashing AEW has helped AEW since it's free publicity for people who enjoy watching train wrecks. Yes, that's always been Cornette's argument. It's also been completely full of shit almost from the very beginning. Like it or not, AEW had a built-in audience right from jump, long before Cornette started really ranting about them in earnest. You may not LIKE that audience, you may not AGREE with that audience, and you may engage in Cornette-like name-calling and ad hominems and "No True Scotsman" insults about that audience, but the audience exists. AEW really only exists because that audience existed first. No, there is not a large segment of people watching AEW solely to hate it because Cornette told them they should. You yourself are a pretty good example - for all that you've listened to Cornette bash it and how strongly you seem to feel about it yourself, you've never actually felt compelled to watch anything more than a few random clips online. The idea of "hatedom" is generally overblown regardless of whichever industry or content product is being discussed. Sure, hate can be a powerful drug, but usually people don't consume content they hate as much as they consume content that encourages them to hate something else, as part of a group. Cornette gets more out of encouraging you to hate AEW than AEW gets out of you hating it. Zeus posted... If you look at the top 10 videos on his YT channel -- which he'd stopped uploading to years ago after a dispute with YT so all of the videos are pretty recent and just clips from his podcast -- not ONE of those top videos is about AEW. They still upload full podcasts constantly - they just uploaded one in the last 24 hours. Both the Drive Thru and the Experience are uploaded weekly. And if you look at the numbers, he tends to uptick on AEW-flavored videos, though he upticks on anti-WWE videos even more, because most of the modern fanbase loves dunking on Vince. Though the videos that do best are ones that are "viral" - like his current clip about Nia Jax's moment on Raw this week. It's done more than twice as well as almost any other video in recent times, regardless of subject. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:950517581] in Geekacea: ... [t:79211564]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Out of context? What more context can you give this crap? These are full length videos that the COMPANY itself is putting out there, like a toddler proud of showing his parents that they crapped their diaper.</quote> See, it's posts like this that kind of highlight the strength of your bias. Because your feelings about it are so damned strong, at this point you're never really going to be objective or open-minded about anything you see. Even if something was handled well, you'd never really be able to see it. But by context, I mean you're not really watching the show. You're listening to Cornette's opinions of the show, only hearing about the parts Cornette generally hates the most, having every facet and detail he objects to explained to you in deliberately rhetoric-driven language (which you're echoing in your posting style), and then going to YouTube to watch isolated clips you've already been poisoned against, which by your own admission are mostly the clips Cornette himself has ranted the most about. You're not really going to watch them to form your own opinion, you're going their to confirm his bias. At this point, even going to watch the full show for yourself wouldn't help, because you'd only be doing it so you can "prove" your pre-existing opinion. The irony is, I'm not even making the argument that AEW is great, or that every wrestling fan should love it. I'm just pointing out that you're no longer capable of being even remotely objective about it. Keep in mind, ALL of this started because I objected to your "slight" bias comment. All you've really been doing is proving my point. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>It's telling that you highlight Dave Meltzer who has long been a Kenny Omega shill -- giving him 20-star matches years before AEW -- and whose excessive praise for AEW has led many to suspect that Tony Khan has been paying him (something reinforced by one of Meltzer's tweets to Cornette).</quote> It's also telling that Cornette used to be highly complimentary of Meltzer and would praise both his knowledge of the industry and his taste in wrestling right up to the point where the two disagreed over AEW, at which point Cornette's opinion changed 180 degrees and now he struggles to say even a single good thing about Meltzer retroactively (and they've both admitted they were friends before and now no longer speak to each other). This in spite of the fact that Cornette has basically implied multiple times that he used to be one of Meltzer's sources in the past (which itself is kind of ironic, because it means he was feeding behind-the-scenes info to "The Dirt Sheets", and effectively helping to hurt the very kayfabe he loves so much). He's had similar issues with Jim Ross (which Ross himself has called him out for, in spite of the fact that Ross seems to pretty clearly hate AEW himself, even as he's getting paid to pretend to care about it). It's also worth noting that the "many" who suspect Meltzer is getting paid are mostly just Cornette himself and his fans, so we're sort of caught in a self-reinforcing loop here (and even Cornette has implied in the past that he doesn't think Meltzer's getting paid as much as he likes the attention he gets from certain wrestlers sucking up to him). <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Which is a silly go-to defense for trying to undermine legitimate opinions about how awful AEW is. Cornette can get a lot more attention by lambasting wrestlers people have actually heard of</quote> Which these days, would be pretty much no one. As you've pointed out, the wrestling industry has become so fringe, the mainstream has no clue who Roman Reigns is, let alone anyone further down the card. For the most part, unless we're talking Attitude Era, pre-Attitude Era, or John Cena, the vast majority of non wrestling fans have no idea who you're talking about. But Cornette isn't really fishing for those people. He's fishing for wrestling fans. And whether or not you agree, hating AEW is very fertile ground. He gets far more attention on Twitter and in social media circles in general by hating on AEW than he does hating on WWE (where most people agree with him). Which in turn boosts his fanbase. He's fully aware that bashing AEW helps keep him relevant (even aside from the fact that a lot of his fans basically ask him to bash AEW on a regular basis). Even if the reaction to that bashing doesn't translate into direct support (people who hate Cornette and what he says are more likely to listen to clips or angrily re-Tweet quotes than they are to listen to/subscribe to his show), it still keeps him in the public eye, which in turn helps draw audience to him. People who agree with his stance or who remember being wrestling fans 40 years ago may be more likely to find him when angry wrestling fans can't stop complaining about how much of an angry out-of-touch curmudgeon he is. SPEAKING OF WHICH... <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>and discussing wrestling incidents people actually care about than talking about AEW. If anything, Cornette bashing AEW has helped AEW since it's free publicity for people who enjoy watching train wrecks.</quote> Yes, that's always been Cornette's argument. It's also been completely full of shit almost from the very beginning. Like it or not, AEW had a built-in audience right from jump, long before Cornette started really ranting about them in earnest. You may not LIKE that audience, you may not AGREE with that audience, and you may engage in Cornette-like name-calling and ad hominems and "No True Scotsman" insults about that audience, but the audience exists. AEW really only exists because that audience existed first. No, there is not a large segment of people watching AEW solely to hate it because Cornette told them they should. You yourself are a pretty good example - for all that you've listened to Cornette bash it and how strongly you seem to feel about it yourself, you've never actually felt compelled to watch anything more than a few random clips online. The idea of "hatedom" is generally overblown regardless of whichever industry or content product is being discussed. Sure, hate can be a powerful drug, but usually people don't consume content they hate as much as they consume content that encourages them to hate something else, as part of a group. Cornette gets more out of encouraging you to hate AEW than AEW gets out of you hating it. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>If you look at the top 10 videos on his YT channel -- which he'd stopped uploading to years ago after a dispute with YT so all of the videos are pretty recent and just clips from his podcast -- not ONE of those top videos is about AEW.</quote> They still upload full podcasts constantly - they just uploaded one in the last 24 hours. Both the Drive Thru and the Experience are uploaded weekly. And if you look at the numbers, he tends to uptick on AEW-flavored videos, though he upticks on anti-WWE videos even more, because most of the modern fanbase loves dunking on Vince. Though the videos that do best are ones that are "viral" - like his current clip about Nia Jax's moment on Raw this week. It's done more than twice as well as almost any other video in recent times, regardless of subject. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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