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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It was kind of a critical failure. It actually more than made its money back (though people at the time would have been astonished by that fact - most people thought it was a huge bomb), but it never really caught on, in spite of having a number of media tie-ins. Fantasy was kind of a dead genre in the 80s.

If you actually track it down and like it, there's a number of other things set in the world. Marvel did a comic adaptation of the film in the 80s, there are three novels set years after the film (plotted by Lucas and written by Chris Claremont, the famous X-Men writer from the 80s), and Disney+ is planning to do a series based on it next year.

I love how you give a long post without actually stating any of your own opinions about it >_>

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Fantasy was kind of a dead genre in the 80s.

lolwut? There were probably more fantasy films in the 80s than the 90s. And, given that you mention the genre as a whole, the 80s were a time when D&D was really taking off.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

A little bias? Cornette is pretty much the most biased anti-AEW voice on the entire face of the planet. If the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega showed up and held someone's family and loved ones down while Tony Khan slit all their throats while they watched, that person still wouldn't hate AEW as much as Cornette does. Vince McMahon doesn't hate AEW as much as Cornette does. Bernie Sanders doesn't hate Trump as much as Cornette hates AEW.

I'm not talking about Cornette's completely justified dislike for AEW and its "talent" (using talent pretty loosely for most of them), I'm talking about the introduction of bias from listening to Cornette about AEW. However, Cornette or no Cornette, AEW is the kind of crap that turned me off pro wrestling (if you could call AEW that) altogether. It takes all of the goofy shit I'd see when I decided to suffer through TNA to watch the handful of guys who could do anything and amps it up not just to 11, but to 12.

VKM wouldn't hate AEW because the only thing he'd see it as a potential competitor and clearly it's no competition. And Bernie Sanders is a weird reference because he doesn't hate Trump much at all, especially not compared to Cornette. And Cornette is fucking gentle to AEW compared to his hatred for Trump and other individuals (including he-whose-real-name-is-never-mentioned), although he still doesn't hate Trump nearly as much as some posters on this board (a few of whom may even be potentially dangerous).

ParanoidObsessive posted...

(and as Cornette himself admits, it's something he himself is partly responsible for).

You're going to need to explain that one.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It also doesn't help that 80% of Cornette's complaints about wrestling today are rooted in kayfabe, which is a ship that unfortunately sailed 20+ years ago (and as Cornette himself admits, it's something he himself is partly responsible for). He's holding the company to a standard that no modern company could ever live up to, and quite possibly shouldn't even try to live up to, because the audience demographics have changed so radically (a large part of why Vince is so out of touch these days as well).

His complaints are based on credibility and realism. If you were watching Game of Thrones and, for instance, and the Lannister and Stark forces took a break from fighting each other to do a dance routine, you might be annoyed by that. If the Hound knocked down an opponent then stopped fighting to loudly and audibly ask his opponent, "Are you okay?", because he was worried the guy might actually be hurt, you might find that distracting. If the Mountain shrugged off hits from dozens of large, heavily armored soldiers only for Theon to walk in, kick him, and he falls down, you'd probably criticize that moment. And everybody has always known TV isn't real.

As for demographics changing, they sure have -- the audience has shrunk to almost nothing and become absurdly fringe. Where decades ago, a guy on the street could tell you who the NWA or later WWF champion was, nowadays they'd struggle to name even one active wrestler let alone a champ. "The times change" argument works a lot better when an industry is bigger than ever yet people are complaining, not when it's shrinking into irrelevance. That's not a matter of "the times changing" so much as it is a matter of people running the industry into the ground. And while VKM being out of touch is a part of it, Tony Khan and everybody else can't seem to find the script either.


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