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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 362: Now With Diet Coke Button
xp1337 01/26/21 12:04:09 AM #116:	Not_an_Owl posted... I keep seeing it characterized as this and I just don't see how anyone can't understand that McConnell got everything he wanted out of the confrontation. What did he get from this standoff that he didn't have before? We had public statements from Manchin saying he would not kill the filibuster before McConnell started this fight, before the election even. What McConnell sought here was the organizing resolution to handcuff Schumer and he isn't getting it. Eliminating the filibuster was always going to require Manchin to go back on his public statements - or, more likely IMO, to alter the filibuster rules in such a way that it can't be used to obstruct to the extent the GOP has used it to, of which there are several ways to do so. This was the case before this standoff and it still is. I mean, I guess McConnell "got" Manchin to repeat what he's been saying all along but that isn't really a "get" IMO. Now, you may be right about how this all ends up playing out - that I leave this standoff feeling more discouraged than I was before is because I think that likelihood has ticked up - but that's not because I think McConnell "won" or "got" anything here. It's because this was such an overreach on his part that it felt like the perfect opportunity to just end the filibuster right there and that wasn't the end result. But that's really just my expectations settling back to the baseline. McConnell's play here was a gross overreach and I thought he overextended and might pay the price for it and he didn't. So in the end he ran the clock about 5 days... which isn't nothing and is likely to be indicative of his plans going forward over the next 2-4 years but framing this as some huge loss for Dems is just crazy IMO unless you declared defeat in November because they failed to get enough Senate seats to have any margin of error to account for Manchin/Sinema/etc. (which is a fair take IMO, but again, has nothing to do with this organizing resolution stuff) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:949926329] in Politics C... [t:79256670]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>I keep seeing it characterized as this and I just don't see how anyone can't understand that McConnell got everything he wanted out of the confrontation.</quote>What did he get from this standoff that he didn't have before? We had public statements from Manchin saying he would not kill the filibuster before McConnell started this fight, before the election even. What McConnell sought here was the organizing resolution to handcuff Schumer and he isn't getting it. Eliminating the filibuster was always going to require Manchin to go back on his public statements - or, more likely IMO, to alter the filibuster rules in such a way that it can't be used to obstruct to the extent the GOP has used it to, of which there are several ways to do so. This was the case before this standoff and it still is. I mean, I guess McConnell "got" Manchin to repeat what he's been saying all along but that isn't really a "get" IMO. Now, you may be right about how this all ends up playing out - that I leave this standoff feeling more discouraged than I was before is because I think that likelihood has ticked up - but that's not because I think McConnell "won" or "got" anything here. It's because this was such an overreach on his part that it felt like the perfect opportunity to just end the filibuster right there and that wasn't the end result. But that's really just my expectations settling back to the baseline. McConnell's play here was a gross overreach and I thought he overextended and might pay the price for it and he didn't. So in the end he ran the clock about 5 days... which isn't nothing and is likely to be indicative of his plans going forward over the next 2-4 years but framing this as some huge loss for Dems is just crazy IMO unless you declared defeat in November because they failed to get enough Senate seats to have any margin of error to account for Manchin/Sinema/etc. (which is a fair take IMO, but again, has nothing to do with this organizing resolution stuff) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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