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Topic	Who is the better president? Trump or Bush
Zeus 11/22/20 2:37:51 PM #50:	man101 posted... Bush was a crappy president but a more or less decent human being who I believe tried to do a good job but just failed more often than not, in part due to his running mate and cabinet. Trump is a reprehensible garbage fire of a human being who also happens to be a shitty president by extension. So they're both not good presidents but at least Bush tried and wasn't flooding the news every god damn minute with a relentless deluge of childish behavior and doing the exact opposite of whatever is logical at any given opportunity. Which is a different tune than I imagine you were singing when he was in office and favorably comparing him to previous presidents. Kind of a running theme. DDirtyDastard posted... lmao @ people suddenly defending Bush. I know, right? But give it a little time, once another Republican gets elected president suddenly they'll all become hardcore Trump defenders and criticize me for being overly negative on him. Smarkil posted... The Patriot act is one of the single most egregious acts of infringing on the rights of Americans in a very long time. This. GWB backed so much downright horrific legislation that directly impacted all Americans (as did Obama, who publicly defended PRISM). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22820711 darkknight109 posted... Weird how he had eight years to fix it, yet never quite got around to it. I know that you just got woke a few years ago, but the mortgage crisis only erupted near the end of his term so you're expecting him to have solved a problem which, at that point, was still the mortgage bubble where the best case scenario was popping it early and still triggering a global economic collapse. And he would have needed to it right after 9/11, which triggered one of the other largest economic hits in US history. Oh, and by the way? He had barely taken office when 9/11 hit, and the problem also predated his administration by many years. That goes back to Clinton with roots that might have stretched as far as into GHWB. darkknight109 posted... However, by this same logic, I'm sure you agree that Trump's last four years were riding on Obama's economic coattails, right? If Obama had any economic coattails to ride, maybe. However, Obama was a staunchly anti-business president with a "You didn't build that!" attitude who did little or nothing to encourage improvement during his regime. The biggest things he did for the economy were co-signing the relief packages put together by GWB's administration. While I'm not necessarily suggesting that all of the improvements under Trump were Trump's doing (such as the markets reacting favorably to his election, unlike the media naming BIden the presumptive winner where he was simply buoyed by news of a vaccine), but he actively supported business whereas Obama attacked industry after industry with countless new regulations (which, when many were rolled back, things improved) darkknight109 posted... Agreed - can't crash what he already drove into the ground. Trump didn't cause COVID and his early efforts to halt COVID's entrance in the country were met by strong objections by Democrats including Joe Biden. Trump didn't so much "drive anything in the ground" as Democrats kept grabbing the wheel from him to try to crash the car (such as Nancy Pelosi's refusal to come to terms on new relief packages -- hurting or killing Americans in the process -- to gain political advantage for Biden). Not that I 100% fault them for their dirty politics, because both sides do shit like that... well, I mean I do fault them, but it's more a matter that either way that's how shit winds up working. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:947477754] in Who is the... [t:79098814]...</cite> <quote>man101 posted... </cite> <quote>Bush was a crappy president but a more or less decent human being who I believe tried to do a good job but just failed more often than not, in part due to his running mate and cabinet. Trump is a reprehensible garbage fire of a human being who also happens to be a shitty president by extension. So they're both not good presidents but at least Bush tried and wasn't flooding the news every god damn minute with a relentless deluge of childish behavior and doing the exact opposite of whatever is logical at any given opportunity.</quote> Which is a different tune than I imagine you were singing when he was in office and favorably comparing him to previous presidents. Kind of a running theme. DDirtyDastard posted... </cite> <quote>lmao @ people suddenly defending Bush.</quote> I know, right? But give it a little time, once another Republican gets elected president suddenly they'll all become hardcore Trump defenders and criticize me for being overly negative on him. Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>The Patriot act is one of the single most egregious acts of infringing on the rights of Americans in a very long time.</quote> This. GWB backed so much downright horrific legislation that directly impacted all Americans (as did Obama, who publicly defended PRISM). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22820711 darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Weird how he had eight years to fix it, yet never quite got around to it.</quote> I know that you just got woke a few years ago, but the mortgage crisis only erupted near the end of his term so you're expecting him to have solved a problem which, at that point, was still the mortgage bubble where the best case scenario was popping it early and still triggering a global economic collapse. And he would have needed to it right after 9/11, which triggered one of the other largest economic hits in US history. Oh, and by the way? He had barely taken office when 9/11 hit, and the problem also predated his administration by many years. That goes back to Clinton with roots that might have stretched as far as into GHWB. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>However, by this same logic, I'm sure you agree that Trump's last four years were riding on Obama's economic coattails, right?</quote> If Obama had any economic coattails to ride, maybe. However, Obama was a staunchly anti-business president with a "You didn't build that!" attitude who did little or nothing to encourage improvement during his regime. The biggest things he did for the economy were co-signing the relief packages put together by GWB's administration. While I'm not necessarily suggesting that all of the improvements under Trump were Trump's doing (such as the markets reacting favorably to his election, unlike the media naming BIden the presumptive winner where he was simply buoyed by news of a vaccine), but he actively supported business whereas Obama attacked industry after industry with countless new regulations (which, when many were rolled back, things improved) darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Agreed - can't crash what he already drove into the ground.</quote> Trump didn't cause COVID and his early efforts to halt COVID's entrance in the country were met by strong objections by Democrats including Joe Biden. Trump didn't so much "drive anything in the ground" as Democrats kept grabbing the wheel from him to try to crash the car (such as Nancy Pelosi's refusal to come to terms on new relief packages -- hurting or killing Americans in the process -- to gain political advantage for Biden). Not that I 100% fault them for their dirty politics, because both sides do shit like that... well, I mean I do fault them, but it's more a matter that either way that's how shit winds up working. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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