Poll of the Day > Who is the better president? Trump or Bush

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I remember when Bush was demonized as the worst person/president ever but I feel like trump sunk to lower lows in both aspects

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Muscles posted...

I remember when Bush was demonized as the worst person/president ever but I feel like trump sunk to lower lows in both aspects

thank you muscles this is very insightful

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Leftists: OMG *current republican president* is LITERALLY HITLER and a fascist! he's such a racist sexist homophobe bigot and a big meanie! those right wingers really went off the deep end his time...they're not rooting for decent people like *former republican president* anymore, they are now the party of evil!

repeat every time the right wins elections

https://www.reporternews.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/12/01/democrats-and-nazi-card/94603274/

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Muscles posted...

I remember when Bush was demonized as the worst person/president ever but I feel like trump sunk to lower lows in both aspects

Bush was a war criminal, but he wasn't a traitor.

I love how Democrats are now acting like Bush wasn't so bad. I can't wait for the Democrats to start acting like Trump wasn't so bad when the next Republican takes office.

CaptainStrong posted...

I love how Democrats are now acting like Bush wasn't so bad. I can't wait for the Democrats to start acting like Trump wasn't so bad when the next Republican takes office.

Two scenarios here, either republicans literally elect hitler, or I deserve to get called out on it. Trump is fucking terrible and I can't imagine someone worse winning.

Yeah, many Dems disliked Dubya and the things he did, but I don't think they ever really compared him to Hitler as a whole. Maybe some lost individuals, including some specific, shameless politicians, but not the group. It's as reckless as saying all Dems are Communists.

Wanded posted...

https://www.reporternews.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/12/01/democrats-and-nazi-card/94603274/

Hm. A site that is so anti-adblocker it tells you to either whitelist them or become a subscriber in order to read the one piece of content. Blocking the pop-up only lets me see the first few paragraphs without being able to scroll down, so... that is going to have to be a pass.

Do you have another opinion piece that isn't tied to such a restriction?

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CaptainStrong posted...

I love how Democrats are now acting like Bush wasn't so bad.

It's more of a "remembering simple times" mindset than thinking he was actually good or "not that bad." Well... Maybe not as bad as Trump, but no, Many Dems and Independents still don't like Dubya's handling of the country.

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CaptainStrong posted...

I love how Democrats are now acting like Bush wasn't so bad. I can't wait for the Democrats to start acting like Trump wasn't so bad when the next Republican takes office.

This is what Trump derangement syndrome actually is, "Boy I wish we had a polite war criminal as President instead of an incompetent asshole!"

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Bush was only really a bad president because he let Rumsfeld and Cheney trick him into unnecessary war. He was a patsy. He's better than Trump in every way though.

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Mead posted...

thank you muscles this is very insightful

lmao

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Bush did cause the big recession as well. I'm sure Trump would have crashed the economy given another 4 years though.

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Bush invaded Iraq ... what is wrong with u people lol

one of trumps few redeeming qualities was he had no interest in being the world police

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Any president I know was a better president and person than Trump.

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fishy071 posted...

Any president I know was a better president and person than Trump.

Andrew Johnson

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Trump is the Honey Boo Boo of presidents.

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Which Bush? H.W. is an underrated president and a good man. W was not a particularly good president but clearly a person with good intentions that wanted to help people. Both were better presidents than Trump and both are obviously better people.

Trump's mean tweets turned everybody into Dubya apologists! XD Say what you will about Trump, but he wasn't the proponent of endless war that his two predecessors were. And he lacked GWB and Obama's love of invading peoples' privacy. And while people whined about his relationship with the media, he wasn't raiding newspapers and tv stations like Obama was.

IronBornCorps posted...

Bush did cause the big recession as well.

He didn't. He wasn't responsible for 9/11 (the planning began during the Clinton administration) nor was he responsible for the mortgage crisis (a bubble that started during -- and was partly driven by -- the Clinton administration)

IronBornCorps posted...

I'm sure Trump would have crashed the economy given another 4 years though.

*cue laugh track*


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I like how people are acting like democrats are suddenly sucking W's dick. No you're just imagining things to cope with your recent loss.

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The Patriot act kinda really hurt my opinion of Bush. If thats the one where they could tap your phone just on suspicion of you being a terrorist. I value my privacy very highly.

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kind9 posted...

I like how people are acting like democrats are suddenly sucking W's dick. No you're just imagining things to cope with your recent loss.

https://newrepublic.com/article/157607/democrats-keep-embracing-george-w-bush


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kind9 posted...

I like how people are acting like democrats are suddenly sucking W's dick.

Democrats have been sucking Dubya's dick for years now. They like literally anyone who doesn't like Trump, including fucks like John McCain and Mitt Romney.

No you're just imagining things to cope with your recent loss.

What loss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFH7C3vkK4

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Bush was puppet but harmless.

Trump is a fearmongering, racist, sexist, elitist douchebag with a cadre of like-minded followers.

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Neither in my opinion. Bush started a war based on lies and in my opinion his whole cabinet should have been brought up on charges of war crimes and Trump, well let's just say good riddance.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Bush was puppet but harmless.

The hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Iraq beg to differ.

CaptainStrong posted...

The hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Iraq beg to differ.

Bush didn't start that war, capitalists and oil men did. It was a "for-profit war". Bush was just a puppet.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Bush didn't start that war, capitalists and oil men did. It was a "for-profit war". Bush was just a puppet.

Oh, then it's okay. He's a puppet who has absolutely zero free will of his own. There's nothing he could have done to stop the war from happening.

CaptainStrong posted...

Oh, then it's okay. He's a puppet who has absolutely zero free will of his own. There's nothing he could have done to stop the war from happening.

That's what puppet leaders do.

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Bush was bad, Trump is terribad.

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oh look, the board basic bitch made another basic topic, ok?

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CaptainStrong posted...

The hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in Iraq beg to differ.

They dont count in Sunnys eyes. Those of us with darker skin are walking jokes for him to lol at.

Aculo posted...

oh look, the board basic bitch made another basic topic, ok?

Lol.

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Raddest_Chad posted...

Bush was only really a bad president because he let Rumsfeld and Cheney trick him into unnecessary war. He was a patsy. He's better than Trump in every way though.

The Bushes are one of the biggest crime families in the world. No way was he a patsy

mooreandrew58 posted...

The Patriot act kinda really hurt my opinion of Bush. If thats the one where they could tap your phone just on suspicion of you being a terrorist. I value my privacy very highly.

So many things GWB did weren't just reprehensible, but morally indefensible, and a lot of carried into Obama. Trump was more mean tweets than anything else and yet people rather stupidly believe it's somehow worse.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Bush didn't start that war, capitalists and oil men did. It was a "for-profit war". Bush was just a puppet.

While the claim about it being "for-profit" is highly debatable (well, no, the claim is mostly silly), it's pretty hard to dispute that GWB had a very active role in bringing the US into the Iraqi war. And you can probably see a bit of a personal motive in it because his daddy spearheaded Operation Desert Storm in the 90s which, again, was largely based on lies (such an ambassador's daughter pretending to work at a hospital and making claims) and bad intel although, even back then, Saddam was an evil man who shouldn't have been in power. In some ways, it was like tolerating Hitler because Saddam actively engaged in genocide and used highly-lethal, banned chemical weapons on civilians (and that same chemical weapon had been employed by the German military in the past).


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I love George bush man, he's a good man, decent. He's not a liar, crook, murderer or anything like that. It was good to get the homicide out of the Whitehouse and get a fresh start.

Zeus posted...

So many things GWB did weren't just reprehensible, but morally indefensible, and a lot of carried into Obama. Trump was more mean tweets than anything else and yet people rather stupidly believe it's somehow worse.

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Bush was a crappy president but a more or less decent human being who I believe tried to do a good job but just failed more often than not, in part due to his running mate and cabinet.

Trump is a reprehensible garbage fire of a human being who also happens to be a shitty president by extension.

So they're both not good presidents but at least Bush tried and wasn't flooding the news every god damn minute with a relentless deluge of childish behavior and doing the exact opposite of whatever is logical at any given opportunity.

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Trump is the #1 biggest baby all-time in American politics. How people came to idolize such a whiney little turd is pretty amazing.

lmao @ people suddenly defending Bush.

The Patriot act is one of the single most egregious acts of infringing on the rights of Americans in a very long time. Trump is a fucking moron but he at least had the decency to veto it when it came back to his desk.

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CaptainStrong posted...

I love how Democrats are now acting like Bush wasn't so bad.

It's not that Democrats think that Bush wasn't so bad, it's that Trump somehow managed to be worse.

Zeus posted...

nor was he responsible for the mortgage crisis (a bubble that started during -- and was partly driven by -- the Clinton administration)

Weird how he had eight years to fix it, yet never quite got around to it.

However, by this same logic, I'm sure you agree that Trump's last four years were riding on Obama's economic coattails, right?

Zeus posted...

*cue laugh track*

Agreed - can't crash what he already drove into the ground.

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Really depends on what you think is worse a piece of shit that has fascists tendencies, has a ton of controversy, and the man lies like it's second nature. Oh and he completely botched the Covid response which was pretty fucking bad.

Or,

Bush, the guy that got us in a war on false pretenses that was quite a bullshit scenario that tied us to a war we didn't really want to be in.

Anyone that thinks Trump is just a mean guy on tweets and that is why people hate him needs to take their head out of their ass and actually learn something for once.

W. may not be all that smart but he's Albert Einstein compared to Trump.

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Not to get too legalese on the question, but I think you can make the argument that the question of who is a better president is not based on specific policies that one may or may not agree with but rather generally how the individual conducted himself in office.

Bush did not enact many policies I agree with but he was at least presidential in behavior and how he responded to crises. He did what good leaders are supposed to do and got on a podium and tried to bring us together when things went to shit. The foreign policy decisions he made after those speeches is certainly open for a lot of criticism.

Trump on the other hand, regardless of his policies (he hasn't really done much substantive other than just rip up half of what Obama did. Very little in terms of enacting his own policy) has never acted in any way presidential. He was divisive and chaotic in his campaign and he has remained so for his entire tenure. At the times when he should have acted as a leader and an example to the people, he sat and tweeted shit about people he didn't like, and more or less allowed a pandemic to run unchecked.

And at the end of it all he's refusing to admit he lost an election and would clearly stay in power indefinitely if he could find a way to cheat the system. That alone should rank him as the worst president in history, because it runs directly contrary to the fundamentals of a democracy. Every single other president has had the decency to admit defeat and leave the Whitehouse peacefully and ensure a smooth transition of power to his successor. No matter how bitter the campaign.

/Rant.

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Trump didn't start any wars, that's the only main difference I can think of policy wise.

Trump also botched coronavirus though, and that death count might as well be a war.

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Bush did way more material damage and it's not really arguable, so fuck this revisionist history bullshit.

Trump on the other hand damn near seems like he's trying to be the worst. The only things saving him from being worse are his own incompetence/apathy, and having the benefit of the general leftward cultural shift of society over time. So I don't know if that's really a reason to praise him being "better" either.

There's no wrong answer, but absolutely fuck both of them. You don't need to praise either to compare them to the other

Trump didnt start two completely unnecessary wars which we are still involved in.

Bush is the worst president during my lifetime and its not even close.

man101 posted...

Bush was a crappy president but a more or less decent human being who I believe tried to do a good job but just failed more often than not, in part due to his running mate and cabinet.

Trump is a reprehensible garbage fire of a human being who also happens to be a shitty president by extension.

So they're both not good presidents but at least Bush tried and wasn't flooding the news every god damn minute with a relentless deluge of childish behavior and doing the exact opposite of whatever is logical at any given opportunity.

Which is a different tune than I imagine you were singing when he was in office and favorably comparing him to previous presidents. Kind of a running theme.

DDirtyDastard posted...

lmao @ people suddenly defending Bush.

I know, right? But give it a little time, once another Republican gets elected president suddenly they'll all become hardcore Trump defenders and criticize me for being overly negative on him.

Smarkil posted...

The Patriot act is one of the single most egregious acts of infringing on the rights of Americans in a very long time.

This. GWB backed so much downright horrific legislation that directly impacted all Americans (as did Obama, who publicly defended PRISM).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22820711

darkknight109 posted...

Weird how he had eight years to fix it, yet never quite got around to it.

I know that you just got woke a few years ago, but the mortgage crisis only erupted near the end of his term so you're expecting him to have solved a problem which, at that point, was still the mortgage bubble where the best case scenario was popping it early and still triggering a global economic collapse. And he would have needed to it right after 9/11, which triggered one of the other largest economic hits in US history. Oh, and by the way? He had barely taken office when 9/11 hit, and the problem also predated his administration by many years. That goes back to Clinton with roots that might have stretched as far as into GHWB.

darkknight109 posted...

However, by this same logic, I'm sure you agree that Trump's last four years were riding on Obama's economic coattails, right?

If Obama had any economic coattails to ride, maybe. However, Obama was a staunchly anti-business president with a "You didn't build that!" attitude who did little or nothing to encourage improvement during his regime. The biggest things he did for the economy were co-signing the relief packages put together by GWB's administration. While I'm not necessarily suggesting that all of the improvements under Trump were Trump's doing (such as the markets reacting favorably to his election, unlike the media naming BIden the presumptive winner where he was simply buoyed by news of a vaccine), but he actively supported business whereas Obama attacked industry after industry with countless new regulations (which, when many were rolled back, things improved)

darkknight109 posted...

Agreed - can't crash what he already drove into the ground.

Trump didn't cause COVID and his early efforts to halt COVID's entrance in the country were met by strong objections by Democrats *including* Joe Biden. Trump didn't so much "drive anything in the ground" as Democrats kept grabbing the wheel from him to try to crash the car (such as Nancy Pelosi's refusal to come to terms on new relief packages -- hurting or killing Americans in the process -- to gain political advantage for Biden). Not that I 100% fault them for their dirty politics, because both sides do shit like that... well, I mean I do fault them, but it's more a matter that either way that's how shit winds up working.


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man101 posted...

Not to get too legalese on the question, but I think you can make the argument that the question of who is a better president is not based on specific policies that one may or may not agree with but rather generally how the individual conducted himself in office.

Which is a silly argument that puts style over substance. But if you want to prioritize looking good over doing good, you do you.

man101 posted...

He was divisive and chaotic in his campaign

aka "Trump was too good at winning elections! He should avoided using things that helped him win, so he could have lost both the primary and general election."

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