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Topic	Who is the best FORMER president of all time?
Zeus 10/28/20 9:31:03 PM #24:	IronBornCorps posted... Zeus are you here to just judge others opinion? Well, now I am. CaptainStrong posted... You're literally describing Donald Trump. BlackScythe0 posted... How could you confuse FDR with Trump? Trump could never hope to do as much damage as FDR. The only way you'd reach FDR's level of disaster is if you appointed somebody like AOC. IronBornCorps posted... How many people think Civil War 2: Electric Bugaloo is looming? Which is basically asking: "How many people are idiots?" Because, unlike the "Civil" War (which wasn't really a Civil War so much as it was a war of secession, same as the American Revolution), we don't have the same kind of clear division if the nation were to split. JigsawTDC posted... Can you solely blame the president for all the other factors that led to the Civil War? And I'd say the destruction of slavery was a pretty big step towards the nation achieving the ideals it set for itself. So the destruction was necessary. Considering he was at least partly responsible for many of those factors, you kinda can. Had it looked like a more moderate candidate was to be elected, it might have been avoided. You know what would have made Lincoln a great president? If he had brokered a reconciliation that didn't cost anybody their lives! JigsawTDC posted... Unless you're arguing that slavery was a good thing, which I wouldn't put past you! And apparently I can't put anything past you, considering you think the ONLY way to end slavery is with war despite the fact that EVERY other major colonizing, slave-owning power at the time managed to end slavery without going to war with itself. It's a false dilemma. If not for Lincoln, slavery might have lasted slightly longer but it was literally always going to go away because it was going away on a worldwide level CarefreeDude posted... makes topic specifically not about trump Turns into trump Considering that far-leftists defend criticisms of horrible presidents with "BUT TRUMP!!!" whataboutisms, it's inevitable. It's also hilarious because their whataboutisms cite things that those other presidents did to a far worse degree. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:946431969] in Who is the... [t:79070128]...</cite> <quote>IronBornCorps posted... </cite> <quote>Zeus are you here to just judge others opinion?</quote> Well, now I am. CaptainStrong posted... </cite> <quote>You're literally describing Donald Trump.</quote> BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>How could you confuse FDR with Trump?</quote> Trump could never hope to do as much damage as FDR. The only way you'd reach FDR's level of disaster is if you appointed somebody like AOC. IronBornCorps posted... </cite> <quote>How many people think Civil War 2: Electric Bugaloo is looming?</quote> Which is basically asking: "How many people are idiots?" Because, unlike the "Civil" War (which wasn't really a Civil War so much as it was a war of secession, same as the American Revolution), we don't have the same kind of clear division if the nation were to split. JigsawTDC posted... </cite> <quote>Can you solely blame the president for all the other factors that led to the Civil War? And I'd say the destruction of slavery was a pretty big step towards the nation achieving the ideals it set for itself. So the destruction was necessary.</quote> Considering he was at least partly responsible for many of those factors, you kinda can. Had it looked like a more moderate candidate was to be elected, it might have been avoided. You know what would have made Lincoln a great president? If he had brokered a reconciliation that didn't cost anybody their lives! JigsawTDC posted... </cite> <quote>Unless you're arguing that slavery was a good thing, which I wouldn't put past you!</quote> And apparently I can't put anything past you, considering you think the ONLY way to end slavery is with war despite the fact that EVERY other major colonizing, slave-owning power at the time managed to end slavery without going to war with itself. It's a false dilemma. If not for Lincoln, slavery might have lasted slightly longer but it was literally always going to go away because it was going away on a worldwide level CarefreeDude posted... </cite> <quote>makes topic specifically not about trump Turns into trump</quote> Considering that far-leftists defend criticisms of horrible presidents with "BUT TRUMP!!!" whataboutisms, it's inevitable. It's also hilarious because their whataboutisms cite things that those other presidents did to a far worse degree. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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