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Topic	A person wrote racist comments with their company name on their profile
joe40001 08/17/20 12:21:39 PM #176:	Ruvan22 posted... The person said "why waste money on people who dont want to work - that definitely shows lack of care/passion, which is important in that person's specific job (being able to set aside preconceived notions and helping people from that group). While I agree that people often vent, there's two issues here - A) venting in public and B) making specific statements. If a therapist posted "being a therapist is tough", that doesn't reflect a specific bias/thought towards a certain demographic, while saying "what's the point of doing therapy with Hispanics, they are always so lazy" is a very different take. To continue with the cardiac surgeon example - are you saying we should wait to see if more black people die under his/her operations than other races, and THEN investigate? I'd be fine with an investigation. But I don't think that's the goal here, the goal is to get the company to think "oh, we should fire them straight out". I think the situation is somebody read something that upset them, and wanted the person to be punished for it. If the actual goal is fairness and rooting out structural intolerance that's fine. Are we trying to get him fired for what he said, or are we using what he said as something that legitimately raises concerns about his job efficacy? Like if we take out the emotional angle and it's just a guy who works at a wind farm saying "wind turbines are pretty bullshit, you try to take care of them but they break down all the time, honestly coal is better". Would TC send the same message to the employer? Probably not. Because ultimately I don't think this is about making sure people who are bad at their job get fired. It's about punishing people who say things that upset us. Don't get me wrong, if he happens to be intolerant in a way that negatively impacts his job, him getting fired wouldn't be a tragedy, but let's also not pretend what is and isn't going on here. What's going on is trying to punish those who upset us because having that power makes us feel good. If we have a morally sound or employer based logic to do it, that helps, but it's the means and not the end most of the time. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:943487708] in A person w... [t:78910605]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>The person said "why waste money on people who dont want to work - that definitely shows lack of care/passion, which is important in that person's specific job (being able to set aside preconceived notions and helping people from that group). While I agree that people often vent, there's two issues here - A) venting in public and B) making specific statements. If a therapist posted "being a therapist is tough", that doesn't reflect a specific bias/thought towards a certain demographic, while saying "what's the point of doing therapy with Hispanics, they are always so lazy" is a very different take. To continue with the cardiac surgeon example - are you saying we should wait to see if more black people die under his/her operations than other races, and THEN investigate?</quote> I'd be fine with an investigation. But I don't think that's the goal here, the goal is to get the company to think "oh, we should fire them straight out". I think the situation is somebody read something that upset them, and wanted the person to be punished for it. If the actual goal is fairness and rooting out structural intolerance that's fine. Are we trying to get him fired for what he said, or are we using what he said as something that legitimately raises concerns about his job efficacy? Like if we take out the emotional angle and it's just a guy who works at a wind farm saying "wind turbines are pretty bullshit, you try to take care of them but they break down all the time, honestly coal is better". Would TC send the same message to the employer? Probably not. Because ultimately I don't think this is about making sure people who are bad at their job get fired. It's about punishing people who say things that upset us. Don't get me wrong, if he happens to be intolerant in a way that negatively impacts his job, him getting fired wouldn't be a tragedy, but let's also not pretend what is and isn't going on here. What's going on is trying to punish those who upset us because having that power makes us feel good. If we have a morally sound or employer based logic to do it, that helps, but it's the means and not the end most of the time. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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