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The_tall_midget posted...

I don't care if abortions are available, which basically shows what the geniuses making assumptions about my position are all about.

It's not much of an assumption to think that your response to a question is in response to that question and not to some tangent. You have a habit of coming into any topic discussing whether or not abortions should be legal and going off on your tirades about "paying for mistakes." In the absence of any sort of context for discussing subsidies or the like, that looks very much like you have difficulty differentiating "abortions should be legal" from "abortions should be completely paid for by the government." You'll have fewer people making what you think are unreasonable assumptions (they aren't) if you pay attention to context before launching into your little rants.

The_tall_midget posted...

They should not, however, be subsidized in any shape or form (which they are). It's not society's job to pay for your mistakes.

It is, however, society's (or at least the government's) job to do what's best for society. Put aside your principles for a moment and ask yourself which scenario ultimately costs society more money and is more likely to result in a negative outcome for society:

-A person who cannot afford an abortion has that abortion paid for by the government (about $400)
-A person who cannot afford an abortion has no choice but to deliver that child (about $6500 if nothing goes wrong, which she also cannot afford because $6500>400)

I think the math there is obvious. But wait! The costs of having a child don't stop there!

-Feeding a baby for even just one year costs around $1000 (which she also cannot afford because $1000>$400), to say nothing of the remaining years before the kid becomes independent (though I won't tally up all of that because she has the potential to make changes to her income in that time frame)
-Schooling a child from 5-18 costs the government an average of $138,000 ($10,615 per year), which they will be paying unless she can afford a private school (which she probably can't if $400 was prohibitively expensive)
-Children of low-SES single parents (I don't think I have to explain the correlation between this and not being able to afford the abortion one desires) are substantially more likely to end up in the justice system, which is terribly expensive all around

Among others. That money's gotta come from somewhere, and if the mother can't afford it, it's gonna be the government bailing her out (potentially ruining her credit rating and thereby hurting her ability to improve her financial situation moving forward). Eventually, the kid will presumably end up paying taxes that offset what they cost the government (if they don't end up in prison), but that's a long wait for a return on that investment. Can you really say that paying for an abortion means society is "paying for her mistakes" more than they would be if she carried the baby to term?

You can rage about "entitlement" all you want, but the numbers speak for themselves. Principles with no basis in practicality are worthless. Principles at the expense of practicality are idiotic.

The_tall_midget posted...

A man says he wants to be single. The typical reaction of dumb feminists and lefties? Call that man a loser, an incel, an eternal child, etc

I'm gonna need to see a citation on that. Mocking men for choosing to be single is much more within the realm of people with more traditional ideas about masculinity, which tend to be more on the conservative side of things. Even then, it's not particularly common if you hang around people that aren't complete assholes because most people (regardless of political leanings) respect that relationships aren't for everyone.

The_tall_midget posted...

Countries, however, that are promoting childbirth and families actually having children have far better future prospects than those who don't. Strangely enough, those happen to be countries who aren't pro-feminist. Funny how that works.

I'm also going to need to see a citation on that, and perhaps some clarification on what you mean by "better future prospects" because that sounds like a bunch of vague buzzwords.

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