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Topic	Research Finds Half of Last Jedi Hate Aimed at Director Rian Johnson Came From P
Zeus 10/03/18 2:57:33 AM #59:	Unbridled9 posted... Pha! You don't know what 'Phyrric' means. A trade like that isn't 'Phyrric' by any means. Especially since those bombers were useless in fighter combat and could only be used for bombing runs (which the rebels had no way of doing). If anything it was 'Phyrric' for the empire since, even though they drove the rebels off-world and got them running, it cost them a capitol ship and multiple TIEs to take down a relatively small amount of fighters and otherwise-useless bombers. If you think losing the bulk of your fleet in a single battle for a token win isn't a Phyrric Victory, it's you who needs to learn what the term means. And the FO losing one dreadnought to almost take out the entire remainder resistance? That's a fucking bargain. If they lost half their dreadnoughts in the process of taking out the resistance, it wouldn't matter because they'd no longer be at war and therefore would have a diminished need for the dreadnoughts. Unbridled9 posted... Those ships had exactly one use; bombing runs. The reason they all got exploded wasn't because of Poe's actions; it was because someone made the worst possible design choice in making what was basically the equivalent of a flying 'shoot here to explode everything' sign. Uh, it WAS because of Poe's actions. Those bombers clearly weren't designed for that kind of combat. They clearly aren't made for dog fighting. Unbridled9 posted... Had Poe NOT been there, had the odds been even SLIGHTLY less in favor of the rebels (and they weren't in favor at all), and had the bombers been even SLIGHTLY less lucky they would have been completely useless instead of almost completely useless. Had Poe NOT been there, they would have jumped sooner and avoided a bloodbath. Unbridled9 posted... The Resistance 'wins' if they manage to successfully escape. Poe's actions not only delayed the FO by forcing them to fight and defend their ships, but walked away with a kill and a massively favorable K:D ratio. If the Resistance had had one or two more wings of Poe's they probably could have sent the FO packing right there. Even afterwards it wasn't moot since that ship had fighters that would have joined in the battle but were now kind of blown up. When your force is in the tens and theirs in the hundreds of thousands, a favorable K:D is a moot point because you're going to lose on attrition every single fucking time. Mead posted... The people in the space movie made decisions that I dont like! Hush, Mead, the grown-ups are talking. Go play with your puppies. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:909870364] in Research F... [t:77060522]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Pha! You don't know what 'Phyrric' means. A trade like that isn't 'Phyrric' by any means. Especially since those bombers were useless in fighter combat and could only be used for bombing runs (which the rebels had no way of doing). If anything it was 'Phyrric' for the empire since, even though they drove the rebels off-world and got them running, it cost them a capitol ship and multiple TIEs to take down a relatively small amount of fighters and otherwise-useless bombers.</quote> If you think losing the bulk of your fleet in a single battle for a token win isn't a Phyrric Victory, it's you who needs to learn what the term means. And the FO losing one dreadnought to almost take out the entire remainder resistance? That's a fucking bargain. If they lost half their dreadnoughts in the process of taking out the resistance, it wouldn't matter because they'd no longer be at war and therefore would have a diminished need for the dreadnoughts. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Those ships had exactly one use; bombing runs. The reason they all got exploded wasn't because of Poe's actions; it was because someone made the worst possible design choice in making what was basically the equivalent of a flying 'shoot here to explode everything' sign.</quote> Uh, it WAS because of Poe's actions. Those bombers clearly weren't designed for that kind of combat. They clearly aren't made for dog fighting. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Had Poe NOT been there, had the odds been even SLIGHTLY less in favor of the rebels (and they weren't in favor at all), and had the bombers been even SLIGHTLY less lucky they would have been completely useless instead of almost completely useless.</quote> Had Poe NOT been there, they would have jumped sooner and avoided a bloodbath. <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>The Resistance 'wins' if they manage to successfully escape. Poe's actions not only delayed the FO by forcing them to fight and defend their ships, but walked away with a kill and a massively favorable K:D ratio. If the Resistance had had one or two more wings of Poe's they probably could have sent the FO packing right there. Even afterwards it wasn't moot since that ship had fighters that would have joined in the battle but were now kind of blown up.</quote> When your force is in the tens and theirs in the hundreds of thousands, a favorable K:D is a moot point because you're going to lose on attrition every single fucking time. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>The people in the space movie made decisions that I dont like! </quote> Hush, Mead, the grown-ups are talking. Go play with your puppies. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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