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Topic	Newly-elected Mexican congresswoman kidnapped in central Hildago state.
Zeus 08/15/18 10:29:22 PM #33:	tbh, I kinda suspect that the only way that Mexico will see the cartels put down is if they put aside their existing justice system and just treat it as an all-out war. At this point, you can't expect the system to work because the system is too deeply compromised by criminal activity and any reformers have a giant target on their back. Dikitain posted... Whole country is a goat fuck. Only way this is really going to get fixed is through a bloody revolution where the people fight against the cartels. Unfortunately they are too scared and would rather flee the country. Not really a revolution, but at this point the only real fix might be -- and it's a place people really don't want to go (much like Mexico itself, outside the tourist resorts) -- something like Duterte has been accused of doing in the Philippines, where the government has organized vigilantes to hunt down drug dealers and kingpins. However, the cartels are presumably a lot stronger in Mexico which makes those kinds of highly amoral pragmatic solutions less viable. Otherwise, the best system so far has been for cities and towns to secede from the government and run their own police forces although that's going to eventually become insufficient because sooner or later the cartels are going to force their way in there. Mead posted... Sad. Shes probably already dead and the cartels will likely upload her death. Why are we at war with ISIS and not the Cartels again? Because the Cartels haven't perpetrated acts of terror in the US and because we haven't tried to install a puppet government in Mexico. WastelandCowboy posted... RoboXgp89 posted... if they legalized certain soft drugs and we stopped selling them guns it'd be much safer Wouldnt help if we also legalized certain soft drugs too. If people want to take certain drugs, thats their choice. Republicans bitch and moan about the government controlling every bit of their lives but then froth at the mouth at the thought of drugs being legalized? By legalizing them, were taking power away from the government to say that the American public cant use these drugs. If we did that, the cartels would just shift their criminal activity in other directions. Having the cartels focus more on shit like weed is preferable to investing more of their energy into even worse activities. And even if the US's drug consumption dropped to zero tomorrow, it wouldn't get rid of the cartels. Viking_Mudcrap posted... You say that like it's a bad thing. Why does the US Military need to intervene? It's not our issue. Mexico is not a state nor a territory. The US doesn't need to go and solve every issue other country has. tbh, there is a vested interest for first-world nations to stabilize second and third-world nations. Europe, for instance, should be actively seeking a resolution to Syria --- either one way or the other -- because it would stem the refugee crisis. CarefreeDude posted... I wonder what would happen if trump got the military to invade mexico and bomb a bunch of suspected cartel sites? Sanctions from the international community, for starters. America woudn't even have much of a pretext for invasion because the cartels haven't engaged in a major direct attack and the Mexican government hasn't tried to cover for them. adjl posted... Because ISIS kills more white people. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906958707] in Newly-elec... [t:76905570]...</cite> <quote>tbh, I kinda suspect that the only way that Mexico will see the cartels put down is if they put aside their existing justice system and just treat it as an all-out war. At this point, you can't expect the system to work because the system is too deeply compromised by criminal activity and any reformers have a giant target on their back. <cite>Dikitain posted...</cite> <quote>Whole country is a goat fuck. Only way this is really going to get fixed is through a bloody revolution where the people fight against the cartels. Unfortunately they are too scared and would rather flee the country.</quote> Not really a revolution, but at this point the only real fix might be -- and it's a place people really don't want to go (much like Mexico itself, outside the tourist resorts) -- something like Duterte has been accused of doing in the Philippines, where the government has organized vigilantes to hunt down drug dealers and kingpins. However, the cartels are presumably a lot stronger in Mexico which makes those kinds of highly amoral pragmatic solutions less viable. Otherwise, the best system so far has been for cities and towns to secede from the government and run their own police forces although that's going to eventually become insufficient because sooner or later the cartels are going to force their way in there. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Sad. Shes probably already dead and the cartels will likely upload her death. Why are we at war with ISIS and not the Cartels again?</quote> Because the Cartels haven't perpetrated acts of terror in the US and because we haven't tried to install a puppet government in Mexico. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>if they legalized certain soft drugs and we stopped selling them guns it'd be much safer</quote> Wouldnt help if we also legalized certain soft drugs too. If people want to take certain drugs, thats their choice. Republicans bitch and moan about the government controlling every bit of their lives but then froth at the mouth at the thought of drugs being legalized? By legalizing them, were taking power away from the government to say that the American public cant use these drugs.</quote> If we did that, the cartels would just shift their criminal activity in other directions. Having the cartels focus more on shit like weed is preferable to investing more of their energy into even worse activities. And even if the US's drug consumption dropped to zero tomorrow, it wouldn't get rid of the cartels. <cite>Viking_Mudcrap posted...</cite> <quote>You say that like it's a bad thing. Why does the US Military need to intervene? It's not our issue. Mexico is not a state nor a territory. The US doesn't need to go and solve every issue other country has.</quote> tbh, there is a vested interest for first-world nations to stabilize second and third-world nations. Europe, for instance, should be actively seeking a resolution to Syria --- either one way or the other -- because it would stem the refugee crisis. <cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder what would happen if trump got the military to invade mexico and bomb a bunch of suspected cartel sites?</quote> Sanctions from the international community, for starters. America woudn't even have much of a pretext for invasion because the cartels haven't engaged in a major direct attack and the Mexican government hasn't tried to cover for them. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Because ISIS kills more white people.</quote> --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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