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So yeah. My opinion of the movie might change on future viewings (and I would certainly fast-forward through most Finn scenes the same way I fast-forward through most of Endor when watching RotJ), but it is what it is.

I can also see people who dislike it because it doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie to them, or because it's not the sort of movie they wanted, but to be honest, it was never going to be that movie, and I don't think it can ever be that sort of movie again.

And as long as Disney's going to keep cranking out movies in the franchise for the next 437 years, we either need to adapt to that new reality or just stop caring about the franchise entirely.



CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I liked it way better than TFA, mostly because it didn't completely ape Empire, but I still found it to be riddled with flaws and ultimately frustrating. And with nothing but the climax left in IX, I feel safe to say that this trilogy is a disappointment for me.

I kind of like both, for different reasons, in different ways.

But if TFA felt too much like A New Hope for many people, TLJ parallels RotJ in a lot of ways (not all of them good), albeit with a bittersweet Empire-flavored ending.

If we assume the next film continues mimicking the original trilogy, then maybe we'll get a movie that hits the same sort of beats Empire did, only with a happy ending. And I could probably live with that.

I wouldn't say this trilogy is a disappointment for me, but then again, I never really had high hopes for it in the first place. And it's still better than the prequels so far (though that isn't hard).



CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It's suffering from something I predicted before this all started: That different writers and directors of each film would lead to wildly inconsistent structure and tones, with the films not really building off each other, and picking and choosing what is relevant.

I'd argue that's not the problem at all.

The real problem, I think, is that they didn't have an overarching plot worked out in advance, knowing exactly what was going to happen in VIII and IX while still writing the script for VII. That leads to choppy plotting, because each film has to improvise a plot that may or may not connect to the others properly (see also, the Mass Effect franchise).

Which combines with the other fatal flaw of these movies. If they copy the tone and story beats of the original trilogy too closely, people will complain. But if they try to innovate too much, people will complain. So they're sort of forced to walk a middle path on a tightrope over an abyss, and wind up pissing everybody off.

They might be able to pull that off if they had a solid plan from the start and a story worth telling, but when each individual movie is treated as a separate project rather than the trilogy as a whole being written holistically, they're pretty much fucked.



CyborgSage00x0 posted...

But as to the overall plot, and where the story goes from here, I find little that is compelling me to care for all but maybe 2 characters, and I keep wondering where this will all end up, and what the overall point is.

While I'm not champing at the bit to know how it all ends, I'm still willing to see it through (eventually). There's both good and bad in there, and if I was the sort of person who completely wrote off all of the good because the bad annoyed me, I'd have spent the last 35 years hating RotJ.

That being said, it took me 6 months to watch Last Jedi, and I've had the DVD for like 2 months now, so it's pretty obvious this isn't even remotely high up my radar at this point.


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