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Topic	McDonald's and Visa show you how to budget to live on minimum wage
wolfy42 07/20/17 2:28:44 PM #44:	Delicinq4 posted... Jen0125 posted... Delicinq4 posted... -Most Trades -Engineering (mech/chem/electrical/civil) -Accounting -Finance -Economics -IT -CompSci -Some sciences (Biology isnt a money maker but its not the worst). these jobs are not unlimited. there is a demand and need for these jobs that don't require actual skills like minimum wage jobs. not everyone is "smart" enough to go to college to pursue these jobs or that education. not everyone is able to secure loans or enough financial aid. Yeah they are not unlimited, but not unattainable either. But to say that you have a 50% chance of working minimum wage is ridiculous. You can make choices to increase your wage. Such as the ones I listed above. If you have any of those degrees, and you actually apply yourself, there is a 99.9% chance you can get an above minimuk wage job. I swear some people dont understand ambition. Its a problem but we dont need to encourage people to accept minimum wage. I agree that anyone with ambition can make more, and get a better job etc. That being said, there are also a ton of jobs out there not being counted that are under the table, and actually make LESS then minimum wage. Baby sitters for instance (Nanny) often makes less, most yard workers do as well, and tons of other similar positions. If it can be done under the table, it probably is, and the people doing it probably make less then minimum wage. On a personal level I agree with you, if your not super lazy or a below average intelligence, you can make more then minimum wage. The thing you need to remember is that average intelligence isn't that high, and your average person isn't that motivated. That is why motivated people succeed, because there are lots of other people out there not as motivated as them heh. If EVERYONE was as motivated, then it would be a total crap shoot when applying for any position, there are only so many jobs, and there are WAY more people who are not working right now, or working in menial/non-skilled positions then there are people in skilled positions. If EVERYONE tried to work in the skilled positions and became qualified for them, we would not have nearly enough jobs. As it is, even right now we have tons of people who end up in jobs they are way over-qualified for, and people with BA degrees working at trader joes etc. They are not all lazy or unmotivated, and many of them only do it for a short term. My aunt for instance owned Amiable Travel and made over 1 mill a year profit with it, only to lose it (and all profits) because my uncle didn't pay taxes and the IRS went after them. She ended up working for Trader joes for 2 years, then got a job working as a concierge (sp), and finally ended up with a good job working for another travel agency (running it). It took time for her to get back on her feet and get a decent job again though. Things happen, people end up not getting jobs they are qualified for, and sometimes this happens right after getting a degree, so you have student loans and those start to pile up (taxes/penalties etc). I know one person with like 200k in student loans after 30 years (even while paying the minimum on them). She consolidated them a few times and got deferments and that let them add the interest accrued to the principle each time (She did not realize this obviously), until her initial 80k in student loans is/was almsot 200k. Obviously that doesn't happen to everyone, but yeah, you can't just say anyone who doesn't want to work a $15 or under job, doesn't have to. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:883275967] in McDonald's... [t:75586087]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delicinq4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Delicinq4 posted...</cite> <quote>-Most Trades -Engineering (mech/chem/electrical/civil) -Accounting -Finance -Economics -IT -CompSci -Some sciences (Biology isnt a money maker but its not the worst). </quote> these jobs are not unlimited. there is a demand and need for these jobs that don't require actual skills like minimum wage jobs. not everyone is "smart" enough to go to college to pursue these jobs or that education. not everyone is able to secure loans or enough financial aid.</quote> Yeah they are not unlimited, but not unattainable either. But to say that you have a 50% chance of working minimum wage is ridiculous. You can make choices to increase your wage. Such as the ones I listed above. If you have any of those degrees, and you actually apply yourself, there is a 99.9% chance you can get an above minimuk wage job. I swear some people dont understand ambition. Its a problem but we dont need to encourage people to accept minimum wage.</quote> I agree that anyone with ambition can make more, and get a better job etc. That being said, there are also a ton of jobs out there not being counted that are under the table, and actually make LESS then minimum wage. Baby sitters for instance (Nanny) often makes less, most yard workers do as well, and tons of other similar positions. If it can be done under the table, it probably is, and the people doing it probably make less then minimum wage. On a personal level I agree with you, if your not super lazy or a below average intelligence, you can make more then minimum wage. The thing you need to remember is that average intelligence isn't that high, and your average person isn't that motivated. That is why motivated people succeed, because there are lots of other people out there not as motivated as them heh. If EVERYONE was as motivated, then it would be a total crap shoot when applying for any position, there are only so many jobs, and there are WAY more people who are not working right now, or working in menial/non-skilled positions then there are people in skilled positions. If EVERYONE tried to work in the skilled positions and became qualified for them, we would not have nearly enough jobs. As it is, even right now we have tons of people who end up in jobs they are way over-qualified for, and people with BA degrees working at trader joes etc. They are not all lazy or unmotivated, and many of them only do it for a short term. My aunt for instance owned Amiable Travel and made over 1 mill a year profit with it, only to lose it (and all profits) because my uncle didn't pay taxes and the IRS went after them. She ended up working for Trader joes for 2 years, then got a job working as a concierge (sp), and finally ended up with a good job working for another travel agency (running it). It took time for her to get back on her feet and get a decent job again though. Things happen, people end up not getting jobs they are qualified for, and sometimes this happens right after getting a degree, so you have student loans and those start to pile up (taxes/penalties etc). I know one person with like 200k in student loans after 30 years (even while paying the minimum on them). She consolidated them a few times and got deferments and that let them add the interest accrued to the principle each time (She did not realize this obviously), until her initial 80k in student loans is/was almsot 200k. Obviously that doesn't happen to everyone, but yeah, you can't just say anyone who doesn't want to work a $15 or under job, doesn't have to. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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