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Topic	Seriously how can we stop Trump if he can just fire anyone in his way?
Zeus 05/11/17 8:53:31 PM #45:	Metal_DK posted... Hillary and the Democratic establishment purposely had fewer debates with Bernie. Source? Because I'm pretty sure that claim was debunked. Metal_DK posted... They purposely had strange superdelgate systems this whole time. Which has nothing to do with corruption. Metal_DK posted... Just because democrats don't hate gays (despite the fact that Obama and Hillary were pretty much the last democrats who showed up to that party) now doesn't make them good And half of today's problems are embodied in your post: The re-framing of arguments to illogical extremes. "Against gay marriage? You hate gays and want them to die!" The country has lost a sensible middle ground and reasonable discussion. Metal_DK posted... Its while Hillary supported fracking the fuck out of the USA despite the dems being the "environmentally friendly" party. Parties do not and should require litmus tests. But otherwise sure, a lot of each party's "mission" is more branding than substance. That's why a party that's supposedly for the working class levies such high taxes on the working class while supporting job-killing legislation like NAFTA and TPP. Metal_DK posted... We can't afford "not as bad" anymore. Not as bad is what lead us to Trump. In 08 it was "we cant afford a hot head McCain, getting Obama in office is the most important election of our time". In 12 it was "we can't afford business executive Romney, this is the most important election of our time". In 16 a hothead business executive wins.... The "badness" of Trump is vastly overblown. In 08, McCain was actually very moderate and not much of a hothead; his voting record at the time was very centrist. And, of course, Romney was a "conservative" governor who presided over a liberal state who put into place what was considered the prototype for the ACA. McCain was a highly qualified, incredible candidate. Romney was okay as well. Trump, who held no previous office, was the only true unknown. Metal_DK posted... Zeus posted... Trump's election has nothing to do with cultural stagnation but instead the realization that Washington and party politics has not only failed the American people but they aren't even pursuing the right issues. Our political system has moved away from what made America great into life-long career politicians who focus on promoting often worthless pet issues (like a fictitious wage gap) while ignoring real problems. It does have to do with cultural stagnation. If there were economic frontiers to get people excited, Trump wouldnt be elected. Economic frontiers are always the most important thing to keeping people optimistic and avoiding Trump. Again, "cultural stagnation" is nonsense especially within the context you're trying to describe. The real issue was that the country wasn't going well and mainstream politics was blamed, leading to Sanders and Trump doing far better than they would within a stable system. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:878928555] in Seriously ... [t:75335928]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote> Hillary and the Democratic establishment purposely had fewer debates with Bernie. </quote> Source? Because I'm pretty sure that claim was debunked. <cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>They purposely had strange superdelgate systems this whole time.</quote> Which has nothing to do with corruption. <cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote> Just because democrats don't hate gays (despite the fact that Obama and Hillary were pretty much the last democrats who showed up to that party) now doesn't make them good</quote> And half of today's problems are embodied in your post: The re-framing of arguments to illogical extremes. "Against gay marriage? You hate gays and want them to die!" The country has lost a sensible middle ground and reasonable discussion. <cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>Its while Hillary supported fracking the fuck out of the USA despite the dems being the "environmentally friendly" party.</quote> Parties do not and should require litmus tests. But otherwise sure, a lot of each party's "mission" is more branding than substance. That's why a party that's supposedly for the working class levies such high taxes on the working class while supporting job-killing legislation like NAFTA and TPP. <cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>We can't afford "not as bad" anymore. Not as bad is what lead us to Trump. In 08 it was "we cant afford a hot head McCain, getting Obama in office is the most important election of our time". In 12 it was "we can't afford business executive Romney, this is the most important election of our time". In 16 a hothead business executive wins....</quote> The "badness" of Trump is vastly overblown. In 08, McCain was actually very moderate and not much of a hothead; his voting record at the time was very centrist. And, of course, Romney was a "conservative" governor who presided over a liberal state who put into place what was considered the prototype for the ACA. McCain was a highly qualified, incredible candidate. Romney was okay as well. Trump, who held no previous office, was the only true unknown. <cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Trump's election has nothing to do with cultural stagnation but instead the realization that Washington and party politics has not only failed the American people but they aren't even pursuing the right issues. Our political system has moved away from what made America great into life-long career politicians who focus on promoting often worthless pet issues (like a fictitious wage gap) while ignoring real problems. </quote> It does have to do with cultural stagnation. If there were economic frontiers to get people excited, Trump wouldnt be elected. Economic frontiers are always the most important thing to keeping people optimistic and avoiding Trump.</quote> Again, "cultural stagnation" is nonsense especially within the context you're trying to describe. The real issue was that the country wasn't going well and mainstream politics was blamed, leading to Sanders and Trump doing far better than they would within a stable system. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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