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Topic	Three teen burglars shot and killed by homeowner's son.
slacker03150 03/29/17 7:01:50 PM #98:	darkknight109 posted... Because it equates being a driver for a robbery - a non-violent, relatively low-level offence that probably would not have netted her more than five years in prison had the robbery been successful - with being a serial mass-murderer, something that's has the potential to leave her in prison (and taxpayers paying for her) for the rest of her life which, given her age, could be 70+ years. That's patently ridiculous. I agree it is a long time and doesn't really help anyone by sending her away for life, but I also don't see another option I agree with. If you go after her for a murder she will plea bargain down to manslaughter, which carries a minimum of 4 years without a chance for parole until 3.4 years. So about 12 years minimum. Which I think is pretty fair considering her actions helped bring about the death of 3 teenagers and the psychological scarring of an innocent individual. But if you go after the manslaughter charges to begin with, she could plea down to a slap on the wrist and she would be on the streets thinking she can get away with murder after a year or two. Possibly no time at all depending on what it drops to. darkknight109 posted... The driver didn't intend for anyone to get killed and had no way of reasonably anticipating that a killing would take place; her moral culpability is low and there's nothing suggesting she would be difficult to rehabilitate She may not have intended for anyone to get killed, but someone did get killed in a criminal act she freely participated in. And I disagree that she had no reasonable way to anticipate a death may happen. 42% of homes in Oklahoma have guns. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have one. But even ignoring that, they brought a knife into someone else's home that they were trying to rob. Even if they were not intending to use it, a reasonable person could conclude that there is a chance something might get out of hand and the weapon is used. darkknight109 posted... Even if you wanted to suggest she bears some blame for the deaths, I fail to see how this is first degree murder (which requires malice aforethought) as opposed to negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter (a charge that's more typically laid when death occurs in a situation where the killer didn't intend for it to happen but bore responsibility for it). Suggesting she should go to prison for the rest of her life for being a getaway driver is an extreme overreaction and a waste of both her life and taxpayer dollars. They planned to maliciously deprive a person of their rightful property by force or intimidation if neccesary, anything that happens after that happened because of malicious forethought. Waste of money depends o how likely she is to do it again, and that is more likely if she gets off with a slap on the wrist. --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 <cite>slacker03150 posted [p:876127751] in Three teen... [t:75169982]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Because it equates being a driver for a robbery - a non-violent, relatively low-level offence that probably would not have netted her more than five years in prison had the robbery been successful - with being a serial mass-murderer, something that's has the potential to leave her in prison (and taxpayers paying for her) for the rest of her life which, given her age, could be 70+ years. That's patently ridiculous. </quote> I agree it is a long time and doesn't really help anyone by sending her away for life, but I also don't see another option I agree with. If you go after her for a murder she will plea bargain down to manslaughter, which carries a minimum of 4 years without a chance for parole until 3.4 years. So about 12 years minimum. Which I think is pretty fair considering her actions helped bring about the death of 3 teenagers and the psychological scarring of an innocent individual. But if you go after the manslaughter charges to begin with, she could plea down to a slap on the wrist and she would be on the streets thinking she can get away with murder after a year or two. Possibly no time at all depending on what it drops to. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>The driver didn't intend for anyone to get killed and had no way of reasonably anticipating that a killing would take place; her moral culpability is low and there's nothing suggesting she would be difficult to rehabilitate</quote> She may not have intended for anyone to get killed, but someone did get killed in a criminal act she freely participated in. And I disagree that she had no reasonable way to anticipate a death may happen. 42% of homes in Oklahoma have guns. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have one. But even ignoring that, they brought a knife into someone else's home that they were trying to rob. Even if they were not intending to use it, a reasonable person could conclude that there is a chance something might get out of hand and the weapon is used. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Even if you wanted to suggest she bears some blame for the deaths, I fail to see how this is first degree murder (which requires malice aforethought) as opposed to negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter (a charge that's more typically laid when death occurs in a situation where the killer didn't intend for it to happen but bore responsibility for it). Suggesting she should go to prison for the rest of her life for being a getaway driver is an extreme overreaction and a waste of both her life and taxpayer dollars. </quote> They planned to maliciously deprive a person of their rightful property by force or intimidation if neccesary, anything that happens after that happened because of malicious forethought. Waste of money depends o how likely she is to do it again, and that is more likely if she gets off with a slap on the wrist. --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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