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Topic	They're rebooting X-Men The Animated Series
ParanoidObsessive 11/14/21 2:08:57 PM #38:	Revelation34 posted... What about ones that stay dead? No one stays dead. NO ONE. If you think someone is "staying dead", that just means they're taking longer than usual to come back. Another running joke among comic fans was that "No one stays dead in comics other than Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky." ...and two of those have since come back as well. The X-Men (and related titles) were just more blatant about it. Going all the way back to the 60s when Professor X died at one point, only for it to be revealed years later that he secretly faked his own death, for reasons. But Jean Grey/Phoenix is the big one that sort of started the snowball rolling. MyMainAccount posted... Yeah, I was going to say, even the joke has revolving doors since I read it in Peter David's X-Factor run back in the 80's - issue 75 iirc. Yeah, I remember that. If not that specific issue, then definitely that overall storyline (and I believe Professor X was the one who said it). And it was an old joke then - I remember Storm saying it at least once even before that. And in both cases it was sort of meant as a sly nod to the jokes that the fanbase were already telling. GanonsSpirit posted... Isn't there a group of mutants that can resurrect any dead mutant in the comics now? Like the X-Men comics just turned off permadeath. Yes. It's just one of the things that make the current books so terrible. But yeah, they basically hit the reset button and brought pretty much every dead mutant (well, every dead major character) back with the House of X storyline. Because magic cloning shit! And retcons! Whee, retcons! America_Dude posted... Here's a hint: The X-Men has literally always been about inclusive diversity. Ehh, they werent always about it. That was mostly a thread that Chris Claremont started working into the books in the late 70s, which is where the Professor X/Magneto as analogues for MLK and Malcolm X started started showing up. Or the blatant comparisons to Jews. Or the Mutant Registration Act. Or "fighting to save people who hate and fear you" as a motif. And it didn't really become a metaphor for homosexuality until the early 2000s when the movie used it that way (unsurprisingly, when you consider the director was gay... though it can make it a bit squickier when you realize now that he's apparently also a bit of a pedophile). Stan Lee just liked the idea of "X-Men as civil rights metaphor" once it was established, so he started taking retroactive credit for it in interviews (because Stan has always had a terrible memory, and likes to tell interesting stories more than remembering the actual truth). But it's pretty obvious the earlier stories weren't really all that deep (which might explain why they also weren't that popular - X-Men was basically cancelled for like 5 years in the early 70s, and only really became Marvel's most popular franchise after it was revived). But yeah, most of what makes the X-Men actually interesting, and that people like about them, tends to revolve around the idea of "we're different and people hate us for it". Whether you see it as a metaphor for being a teenager and not fitting in, or as a metaphor for being black, or gay, or whatever. It resonates because most people feel different at some point in their lives. So it's easy to relate. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:959994130] in They're re... [t:79756622]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>What about ones that stay dead?</quote> No one stays dead. NO ONE. If you think someone is "staying dead", that just means they're taking longer than usual to come back. Another running joke among comic fans was that "No one stays dead in comics other than Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky." ...and two of those have since come back as well. The X-Men (and related titles) were just more blatant about it. Going all the way back to the 60s when Professor X died at one point, only for it to be revealed years later that he secretly faked his own death, for reasons. But Jean Grey/Phoenix is the big one that sort of started the snowball rolling. <cite>MyMainAccount posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I was going to say, even the joke has revolving doors since I read it in Peter David's X-Factor run back in the 80's - issue 75 iirc.</quote> Yeah, I remember that. If not that specific issue, then definitely that overall storyline (and I believe Professor X was the one who said it). And it was an old joke then - I remember Storm saying it at least once even before that. And in both cases it was sort of meant as a sly nod to the jokes that the fanbase were already telling. <cite>GanonsSpirit posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't there a group of mutants that can resurrect any dead mutant in the comics now? Like the X-Men comics just turned off permadeath.</quote> Yes. It's just one of the things that make the current books so terrible. But yeah, they basically hit the reset button and brought pretty much every dead mutant (well, every dead major character) back with the House of X storyline. Because magic cloning shit! And retcons! Whee, retcons! <cite>America_Dude posted...</cite> <quote>Here's a hint: The X-Men has literally always been about inclusive diversity. </quote> Ehh, they werent always about it. That was mostly a thread that Chris Claremont started working into the books in the late 70s, which is where the Professor X/Magneto as analogues for MLK and Malcolm X started started showing up. Or the blatant comparisons to Jews. Or the Mutant Registration Act. Or "fighting to save people who hate and fear you" as a motif. And it didn't really become a metaphor for homosexuality until the early 2000s when the movie used it that way (unsurprisingly, when you consider the director was gay... though it can make it a bit squickier when you realize now that he's apparently also a bit of a pedophile). Stan Lee just liked the idea of "X-Men as civil rights metaphor" once it was established, so he started taking retroactive credit for it in interviews (because Stan has always had a terrible memory, and likes to tell interesting stories more than remembering the actual truth). But it's pretty obvious the earlier stories weren't really all that deep (which might explain why they also weren't that popular - X-Men was basically cancelled for like 5 years in the early 70s, and only really became Marvel's most popular franchise after it was revived). But yeah, most of what makes the X-Men actually interesting, and that people like about them, tends to revolve around the idea of "we're different and people hate us for it". Whether you see it as a metaphor for being a teenager and not fitting in, or as a metaphor for being black, or gay, or whatever. It resonates because most people feel different at some point in their lives. So it's easy to relate. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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