LogFAQs > #959282272

zebatov posted...

I said she had to quarantine for the same amount of time as the unvaccinated do, which means shes just as contagious.

That's pretty flimsy logic. All that means is that the government recognizes that vaccinated people still pose a significant transmission risk and hasn't bothered coming up with new regulations to fine-tune their isolation time. As mentioned above, that's to be expected, given that conclusive quantitative data is hard to come by (and is constantly evolving as the variant profile changes) and there's little harm in erring on the side of caution. It does not in any way support the conclusion that vaccinated people are equally contagious.

zebatov posted...

And studies have shown that people who have already had Covid have a much stronger immunity because theyve had the actual virus in their system versus something the vaccine which does not contain the virus.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination (links to several actual studies)
https://healthydebate.ca/2021/10/topic/how-good-natural-immunity-covid/ (links to several conflicting studies)
https://globalnews.ca/news/8229808/covid-vaccine-natural-immunity-fact-check/ (links to several more studies)

While the available data is constantly evolving, especially as variants shake things up, the bottom line seems to be that vaccination gives better, more consistent immunity on average. However, this comparison is completely pointless: Vaccination and natural immunity are in no way mutually exclusive, nor is deliberately getting infected for the sake of developing immunity without a vaccine ever going to be a good idea. The available data unanimously indicates that getting vaccinated after being infected improves your immunity, regardless of how strong your natural immune response ended up being.

Quite simply, you will never have to choose between natural immunity and vaccine immunity, nor is there ever going to be a reason to choose the former over the latter (even for people that are allergic to the vaccine, deliberately becoming infected for immunity's sake is likely to do more harm than good, so they should pursue other methods for avoiding infection).

zebatov posted...

The government is using coercion to encourage people to get vaccinated. Things like not allowing unvaccinated to go anywhere public with a liquor license, or even leave the country as of October 30th.

That's not coercion. That's offering special privileges to the vaccinated, based on the additional safety they bring to the world around them. That they're privileges you took for granted in a pre-pandemic world doesn't change that.

zebatov posted...

If this was a real pandemic, you wouldn't have to coerce people to get it.

Man, you're really on a roll with jumping to illogical conclusions here. That people are refusing the vaccine does not in any way suggest that there's no real pandemic, let alone conclusively indicate it. By and large, people are scientifically illiterate and bad at risk analysis, especially when it comes to dealing with something that's as scary and upsetting as the greatest public health crisis in a century (ignorance and denial are pretty comforting in situations like this). That's why they've convinced themselves that the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus, helped along by widespread fearmongering about the vaccines and the extent to which "I don't want to do anything to stop the pandemic" has become a matter of political identity. That opinion indicates absolutely nothing about the virus' actual danger.

---

This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.