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Topic	Bill Maher came out and said that he thought college was a scam....
Zeus 10/17/21 11:22:45 PM #32:	UT1999 posted... And a lot of times i don't agree with this poster Oh lawdy. Lokarin posted... Saying college is a scam is like saying high school is a scam... you don't go for the learnin', you go for the socials That's not comparable for any number of reasons, including the fact that high school is compulsory (up to a certain age) and "free" to the extent that it comes from taxes no matter what. streamofthesky posted... I do think high school is more intrinsically useful. The math and english being taught is still at a relatively basic level that you might actually use in real life. Plus high school is free... Also this. 1-12 tends to focus more on essentials, and those are going to be more broadly useful. I'd say that the scales begin to drop a little around middle school -- since, by then, most of the practical stuff is out of the way -- but high school is still arguably more valuable on a general knowledge basis than college streamofthesky posted... Nah, I don't buy that. Where are the parents in all of this? NO ONE told these kids what kind of debt they'd go in to attend their "dream" school? Bull shit. And when I was figuring this shit out in high school, I strongly thought of cost. I had the grades to at least have a good chance at an Ivy League or MIT level school, but decided I didn't want the debt. Went w/ my state school for that reason, it had an accredited engineering program, that's what really mattered. There are plenty of state or community college options, but for a lot of students those aren't prestigious or cool enough. My sibling went to a private liberal arts college for a worthless degree just because the campus was beautiful (yes, really) and is still deep in debt. Pretty much. I might have been able to make it into an Ivy League school, but I realized the ROI wasn't where it needed to be. faramir77 posted... A scam is where you are promised a reward, but the reward doesn't happen and instead you get screwed. My university didn't promise me jack shit, aside from my degrees. It wasn't a scam. I've been fortunate that I've been able to do things with my degrees. But even if I wasn't, it wouldn't have been a scam. The education I received can't be taken from me. All colleges individually and collectively make sets of promises regarding outcomes, and in the most galling cases they creatively interpret or outright falsify graduate data. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:959142075] in Bill Maher... [t:79715750]...</cite> <quote>UT1999 posted... </cite> <quote>And a lot of times i don't agree with this poster</quote> Oh lawdy. Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>Saying college is a scam is like saying high school is a scam... you don't go for the learnin', you go for the socials</quote> That's not comparable for any number of reasons, including the fact that high school is compulsory (up to a certain age) and "free" to the extent that it comes from taxes no matter what. streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>I do think high school is more intrinsically useful. The math and english being taught is still at a relatively basic level that you might actually use in real life. Plus high school is free...</quote> Also this. 1-12 tends to focus more on essentials, and those are going to be more broadly useful. I'd say that the scales begin to drop a little around middle school -- since, by then, most of the practical stuff is out of the way -- but high school is still arguably more valuable on a general knowledge basis than college streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, I don't buy that. Where are the parents in all of this? NO ONE told these kids what kind of debt they'd go in to attend their "dream" school? Bull shit. And when I was figuring this shit out in high school, I strongly thought of cost. I had the grades to at least have a good chance at an Ivy League or MIT level school, but decided I didn't want the debt. Went w/ my state school for that reason, it had an accredited engineering program, that's what really mattered. There are plenty of state or community college options, but for a lot of students those aren't prestigious or cool enough. My sibling went to a private liberal arts college for a worthless degree just because the campus was beautiful (yes, really) and is still deep in debt.</quote> Pretty much. I might have been able to make it into an Ivy League school, but I realized the ROI wasn't where it needed to be. faramir77 posted... </cite> <quote>A scam is where you are promised a reward, but the reward doesn't happen and instead you get screwed. My university didn't promise me jack shit, aside from my degrees. It wasn't a scam. I've been fortunate that I've been able to do things with my degrees. But even if I wasn't, it wouldn't have been a scam. The education I received can't be taken from me.</quote> All colleges individually and collectively make sets of promises regarding outcomes, and in the most galling cases they creatively interpret or outright falsify graduate data. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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