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Now granted there is something to be said for "trying to play diplomatically is good" because you need to convince people to vote, so I mean, maybe trying to curry the favor of the players is good play. And maybe there is something to be said that refusing to bucket or whatever is a distraction for town. I don't know.

I just think you introduce a lot of weird factors when you have players in game vote on who did best. You're likely going to be close to the right answer but to me it feels impure. People tend to overvalue diplomacy and undervalue actually being correct on b8 at least in my experience in the postgame chats, and tend to say people who had correct reads got "lucky" more often than they probably should (unless diplomacy allows the player to AVOID the lynch, then it was all the town being bad-- and I say this as someone who imo is actually fairly good at convincing people in mafia games) and I would be surprised if that wasn't the case there.

This gets worse ESPECIALLY when people are upset about things. The people who are less directly involved in the game tend to value things more fairly on average I think.

I also think the actual stats in the game should count for something and it shouldn't be straight voting (maybe it isn't?) because while getting stuck on "a bad team" can happen on average good players will win more often than bad ones, regardless of team they're on. With enough sample size you'd be able to stabilize bad draws to the point where game results actually do indicate the strength of a player.

ANYWAY yeah just talking. On the one hand, groupthink is bad and they probably do a lot of that in any established community. On the other in the few games of yours I've watched/played in with you I would say your bigger weaknesses have been the inability to convince people of things (which in large has been driven by your gratingness at times) so it's hard to really know how much I agree you were robbed without putting in way more effort than I want to, but I tend to think you're probably right in your appraisal based on what you're saying here.

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