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TopicHobbit/LOTR question
Corrik7
01/03/21 4:14:52 PM
#177:


Jakyl25 posted...
Ok citation needed

Melkor was the first to learn of the Awakening of the Elves. He soon began sending evil spirits among the Elves, who planted seeds of doubt against the Valar. It is also rumoured that some of the elves were being captured by a "Rider" if they strayed too far, and the elves later believed these were brought to Utumno, where they were cruelly tortured and twisted into Orcs.

Saruman:
Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected. My fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve?
Lurtz:
Saruman.

I mean, unless you want to argue they aren't dead while they are pulling their bodies from the ground. I suppose.

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