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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 201: A Caravan Down By the River
xp1337 10/21/18 1:43:21 PM #58:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... xp1337 posted... She's also had a bad history on a number of social progressive causes. Honestly, to me, she's one of the more conservative democrats (in a super blue seat) that is trying to take advantage of jumping on the Sanders bandwagon/anti-establishment sentiment. Looking solely at Hawaii Democratic politicians I'd say Hirono is someone I've liked. Oh yeah Suprak, as for this part,15 years ago she had positions youd call Conservative today, but she publicly evolved on those positions sooner than both Obama and Hillary, and has voted in support of those positions, so when people on the Left bring this up I just throw my hands in the air because how can you argue with that? are we really doing this again https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe There's a difference between the Democratic party at large being late to LGBT rights and Gabbard talking about "homosexual extremists," giving a speech objecting over teaching students that homosexuality is "normal and natural," and "inviting homosexual-advocacy organizations into our schools to promote their agenda to our vulnerable youth," voting against civil unions, and voting against a bill to provide emergency contraception to survivors of sexual assault because it didn't have a conscience clause (not LGBT related but yeah) Has she apologized for those remarks in 2012? Yeah. Has she changed her votes on these kinds of issues. Yeah. But comparing it to Obama, Clinton, and the typical Democratic politicians who were politically craven on this is disingenuous IMO. She went way further than they did. Most democrats don't go on Fox in 2015 and accuse the Obama administration of not recognizing "Islamic extremists are our enemy." And while this is less concrete, I think it was Kenri who said in the last round that she was "the alt-right's favorite democrat" and that is a sentiment that rings true to me. Obviously not saying that anyone who supports her is alt-right but she consistently comes up I've found when alt-right people are made to answer who their favorite Democrat is/what they wish the Democratic party looked like. And I think that is cause for concern. It's a bit of a low blow, but I mean Bannon reportedly likes her and thinks she "gets" the "foreign policy stuff." That kind of raises an eyebrow. Like I said, I distinctly get the impression that the primary driver of her support from people otherwise on the left is anti-establishment/Democratic party sentiment. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:910906151] in Politics C... [t:77115748]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>She's also had a bad history on a number of social progressive causes. Honestly, to me, she's one of the more conservative democrats (in a super blue seat) that is trying to take advantage of jumping on the Sanders bandwagon/anti-establishment sentiment. Looking solely at Hawaii Democratic politicians I'd say Hirono is someone I've liked.</quote> Oh yeah Suprak, as for this part,15 years ago she had positions youd call Conservative today, but she publicly evolved on those positions sooner than both Obama and Hillary, and has voted in support of those positions, so when people on the Left bring this up I just throw my hands in the air because how can you argue with that?</quote> are we really doing this again https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe There's a difference between the Democratic party at large being late to LGBT rights and Gabbard talking about "homosexual extremists," giving a speech objecting over teaching students that homosexuality is "normal and natural," and "inviting homosexual-advocacy organizations into our schools to promote their agenda to our vulnerable youth," voting against civil unions, and voting against a bill to provide emergency contraception to survivors of sexual assault because it didn't have a conscience clause (not LGBT related but yeah) Has she apologized for those remarks in 2012? Yeah. Has she changed her votes on these kinds of issues. Yeah. But comparing it to Obama, Clinton, and the typical Democratic politicians who were politically craven on this is disingenuous IMO. She went way further than they did. Most democrats don't go on Fox in 2015 and accuse the Obama administration of not recognizing "Islamic extremists are our enemy." And while this is less concrete, I think it was Kenri who said in the last round that she was "the alt-right's favorite democrat" and that is a sentiment that rings true to me. Obviously not saying that anyone who supports her is alt-right but she consistently comes up I've found when alt-right people are made to answer who their favorite Democrat is/what they wish the Democratic party looked like. And I think that is cause for concern. It's a bit of a low blow, but I mean Bannon reportedly likes her and thinks she "gets" the "foreign policy stuff." That kind of raises an eyebrow. Like I said, I distinctly get the impression that the primary driver of her support from people otherwise on the left is anti-establishment/Democratic party sentiment. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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