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UnfairRepresent posted...

your implication was obvious

as you led too below

So why is it that you had to jump to a conclusion instead of just engaging me in a conversation? Seems to me you're not actually going into this with an open mind.

UnfairRepresent posted...

still gives you no right to attack them.

Again, I never said it has. I said that the way you're thinking and talking about this issue is showing a lack of thought, and even less care for the topic you're engaging. The way you're going about it seems more like you want to be right than anything.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Even if they organize a rally or debate people in public. you still don't get to escalate to violence

Okay. So at what point do you stop Hitler? To be fair, there is the beer hall putsch. But what happens when he loses that, stops engaging in violence, goes through the appropriate channels to power, and then we get nazi germany?

Where in that chain of events do you think it becomes okay to use violence?

The problem with you insisting on talking about this in terms of ideas and thoughts is that that isn't what people are worried about, nor is that why they are using violence. Many people are concerned that we are on the path to something like nazi germany. Unless you want to talk about it on those terms (either to dismiss the idea that we could become nazi germany, or to be exact about when you think it is okay to use force to stop nazi germany) then you're just not having the right conversation.

This is especially true because the only standard for when its okay to use violence that has been explicated at all so far in this topic is the idea of 'clear and present danger.' But as that court ruling notes, what counts as a clear and present danger is based on context, and the specific context they cite is being at war. So we can punch nazis for engaging in nazi-ism, but only after they're enough a problem that we need to have officially declared some kind of war on them first? That's the only standard anyone who is against punching nazis has attempted to defend so far.
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