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Topic	Why didn't Gandalf just apparate into Mt. Doom?
ParanoidObsessive 03/01/18 5:39:33 PM #33:	Metalsonic66 posted... I've read all of the main books, thank you very much. You need to read The Silmarillion. But even in the main books, Gandalf sort of hints at the fact that he's not supposed to be a warrior as much as he's supposed to inspire the mortals to save themselves. MICHALECOLE posted... Why? Because when the Valar fought against Morgoth, it literally broke the world. They basically say straight out that they're unwilling to fight a war like that against Sauron again for fear of breaking things even worse. Which actually encourages Sauron to be an even bigger dick, because he KNOWS this, and assumes the Valar will never interfere in him conquering and dominating the world outside of Aman, which is why it comes as a great shock to him when they sink Numenor. The Istari were basically sent to Middle Earth as sort of a half-assed gesture of help. "Ehh, I guess we shouldn't totally abandon them. Hey, you five minor angels go help them. Except you have to disguise yourselves as mortals, you can't use most of your powers, and you're definitely not allowed to fight Sauron head on. Just... inspire the mortals to be better and stand up for themselves." Shinebolt posted... The Valar are not allowed to directly interfere with the second-born and instead forced to observe them from a distance as part of the punishment for the creator's song being corrupted. They're allowed to interfere, they just choose not to for the most part because they're afraid if they screw things up too badly it might ruin the intended destiny of the world in the same way that Melkur tried to ruin the song and later tried to ruin Arda itself. So after the War of Wrath they're very leery of doing anything all that potent, which is part of why they effectively wall themselves off in Aman forever and "bend" the road to prevent anyone ever finding it again. The overgod doesn't really give much of a shit because as he says, even evil tends to serve his purposes (which he never bothers to explain), but he DOES say that the Valar have no power to revoke the "gift" of death from humans, because dying and passing beyond the bounds of the world is part of his plan for them, as opposed to the elves, who can essentially live forever barring accidents and even then reincarnate eventually because their souls are bound to the world (which is why everybody gets so flustered over the "halfelven" nonsense). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:897007566] in Why didn't... [t:76366300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>I've read all of the main books, thank you very much.</quote> You need to read The Silmarillion. But even in the main books, Gandalf sort of hints at the fact that he's not supposed to be a warrior as much as he's supposed to inspire the mortals to save themselves. <cite>MICHALECOLE posted...</cite> <quote>Why?</quote> Because when the Valar fought against Morgoth, it literally broke the world. They basically say straight out that they're unwilling to fight a war like that against Sauron again for fear of breaking things even worse. Which actually encourages Sauron to be an even bigger dick, because he KNOWS this, and assumes the Valar will never interfere in him conquering and dominating the world outside of Aman, which is why it comes as a great shock to him when they sink Numenor. The Istari were basically sent to Middle Earth as sort of a half-assed gesture of help. "Ehh, I guess we shouldn't totally abandon them. Hey, you five minor angels go help them. Except you have to disguise yourselves as mortals, you can't use most of your powers, and you're definitely not allowed to fight Sauron head on. Just... inspire the mortals to be better and stand up for themselves." <cite>Shinebolt posted...</cite> <quote>The Valar are not allowed to directly interfere with the second-born and instead forced to observe them from a distance as part of the punishment for the creator's song being corrupted.</quote> They're allowed to interfere, they just choose not to for the most part because they're afraid if they screw things up too badly it might ruin the intended destiny of the world in the same way that Melkur tried to ruin the song and later tried to ruin Arda itself. So after the War of Wrath they're very leery of doing anything all that potent, which is part of why they effectively wall themselves off in Aman forever and "bend" the road to prevent anyone ever finding it again. The overgod doesn't really give much of a shit because as he says, even evil tends to serve his purposes (which he never bothers to explain), but he DOES say that the Valar have no power to revoke the "gift" of death from humans, because dying and passing beyond the bounds of the world is part of his plan for them, as opposed to the elves, who can essentially live forever barring accidents and even then reincarnate eventually because their souls are bound to the world (which is why everybody gets so flustered over the "halfelven" nonsense). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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