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TopicDota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 8 - Lakad matataaaag (Normalin, normalin)
Lopen
09/14/22 9:21:01 PM
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So anyway, I think we need for my theory to work to start with why I was so sure Ctes was scum and that my role wasn't defective (I know that now, but before my result of 1 last night which was received just before the day went up) or redirected in some way (scum redirector was possible, but I think they'd need to target me anyway).

The first is just examining Ctes's play up until the fake claim. I said it yesterday, but it still applies. He didn't play the game like a watcher. He played the game like a scum who planned to fakeclaim miller watcher. Sitting on the fact that he's miller in the face of two miller claims, His choice of watcher targets doesn't make sense either. In fact there is a particularly damning post from MZero yesterday against him as he tries to justify his watches.

MZero posted...
I also don't feel like watching Lopen from a Town perspective N2 makes sense, but it does from a scum perspective. N1 would have been trying to catch protection, N2 trying to catch a scanning role. Also, poison on a town role when I'm basically poison doctor is weird.

Note I don't think he actually was watcher, but it kinda makes sense that

The second is setup. We are given a lot of hints that perhaps a miller watcher is out of place. The fact that Chang can upgrade into a town watcher is a big one. The fact that there are 3 millers is another. The other hint is there are no particularly useful power roles in the game.

Now if we were all vanilla or had junky roles, that would make any scum fakeclaim that has a non-, power role completely exposed in a mass claim/late game situation where town figures out we're all crap unless town figures out that the miller watcher is in fact not a watcher. So for proper balance, you almost need scum to have a tool to fake a power role flip unless you tell them it's an all vanilla game (which is kinda boring, it's more exciting if they need to figure it out too)

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