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Yeah I think the Dreamcast really contributed to the amount of new stuff I added this time. This is really the first year of having three major players to pull from.
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/8d55dbs7035o2hi/VideoGameCharacters.rar/file

In this edition:

-1999 Tag is ready. Use "1999" to play it; there are 924 total characters.
-You can use the "new" tag to play characters I specifically added new this update, a total of 421 of those.

Party like it's 1999!
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Johnbobb posted...

initial thought is that Boggy B will win 99 for me but we'll see

Checking the data, doesn't this character debut in the first Worms game in 1995?
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The final step is to be open on Sundays.
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I think we found Frozen 2 to be around on par with the original, which is a good thing considering often Disney's sequel content has been a step down from the originals they're based upon.

It's pretty good. Kristoff is a standout here for sure, but I think every character from the original grew and was improved upon, which is again unlike Disney canon's most recent sequel in Ralph Breaks the Internet.

Zigzagoon posted...

I completely forgot this existed and was coming out so soon

There is certainly a new character you will like. We even talked about this during the film.
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v_charon posted...

Hi.

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Alright so I've probably got a little out of control on this next update; I stumbled across a lot more than I usually do and as such expect a rather large boost for 1999.

I'm still planning for a release on Saturday at this point.
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That's not a bad idea. As far as picking a year with some type of substance goes, that's not a terrible call for one. Your opinion is pretty important since you're the one that actually plays through those updates specifically apart from the total year tag. I'll keep that date in mind for sure.
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I will be continuing to add new characters by the year tag updates for the next few years, but I will probably bring that to an end once I reach... perhaps the late 2000's or so. I'm curious to know what people in general think about this. My thinking for that range is because as the years progress, obviously the pool of those years grows ever larger. It's especially larger now because with the creation of Steam and the flourishing of the indie game environment we have now, games are more and more numerous than they ever possibly have been. In both number and quality, I'd argue. I also feel like nominations, in general, come from more recent years (generally dates of this last decade).

I definitely wanted to bolster the 90's, that was for sure. To revisit older games and add characters from games that have perhaps fallen by the wayside and forgotten about. For posterity as well as in the good faith that perhaps in the long time having representation from games like this might be a boon in some future scenario. I feel like the early 2000's probably are just as lacking on representation as the 90's in general were, so I will definitely continue to scour the internet for various gems forgotten for now. But I do want a decided upon cutoff year. Any thoughts?
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Hi.
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The 99 year tag will be available some time next weekend, I think.
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Lopen posted...

What makes something a character?

Is it a name? Is it dialogue? Is it a unique look? Are Mog's moogle buddies in FFVI not characters because there are like 10 of em and they look the same? The Red Mage can be named, just like any other main character in a FF game.

There are a defined four warriors of light in the story of FF1. It's not like a later game where you can swap classes on the fly or they modify an existing character. The Red Mage is what the Red Mage is and can't change. What little lore the game gives you in the form of art and whatnot highly implies no repeats too-- repetition is possibly mechanics. Of course that means two of the six are "non canon" warriors but that's okay, they're still characters.

But I would say he's more of a character than Warrior of Light because he's more distinctive, personally. Back in the NES days design was everything. I personally think the Red Mage is more of a character than like, Josef, to be quite blunt, given the tools to work with on the NES I could tell you more about what the Red Mage is about than Josef. Not to run down FF2, but yeah. Warrior of Light is just Josef with a voice actor in terms of being memorable.

It's been pretty aptly explained. It would be a lot different for me personally if FF1 forced you to have a predetermined party that's made up of certain character classes; that to me would be enough of a character to have never mentioned it. It's the fact you can have many or no red mages in your party at your choosing that bothers me; it becomes a unit at that point and not a character. They're much like Pokemon to me; you can get attached to them, you can treat them as characters if you want, but at the end of the day outside of the legendary ones Pokemon in their own universe are not characters but species. In terms of Final Fantasy, a red mage is a class instead of being a species but it's the same thing. You can play the game with or without the class/species, or you can have multiple ones at your choosing. I really feel like it's a pretty sound argument that can't really be refuted, I mean every part of your argument is invalid. I mean even the Four Warriors of Light thing; Red Mage is not even one of those according to Square.

I'm not lobbying for the removal of them anyway, I don't care anymore because that ship sailed away a long time ago and given that every host this contest has had has probably has a nice negative opinion of me anyway I doubt you have to worry about losing your FF1 classes because someone thinks something I've said has enough merit to change the book on the subject.
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Lopen posted...

You can have Cloud vs Cloud in Ehrgeiz too. It's a dumb argument

Correct.
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Grimlyn posted...

... or Warrior of Light

I mean he's an actual character so maybe!
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Funny coming from another dying website.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Gabranth and Kimahri deserve better than that imo

This is what people always say when they're renominated in.
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Most normal people wouldn't mind one championship per decade I doubt, or refer to that as some high level of dominance. Auron hasn't even made the top 20 since he won; he isn't the Patriots or Yankees. Not like he gets to the playoffs every year, or really, ever.
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swordz9 posted...

upset at failing yet another year

Good to know.
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FFDragon posted...

v_charon posted...

I think you're a bit out of touch with this.

Entirely possible, I have been gone for a whole contest and 80% of this one.

Just basing things off of GUT and HISTORY.

The difference with Edward and other unstoppable juggernauts like Marche or Steiner is that he was always very much stoppable. I was convinced of Edward's demise in 4th actually. He limped through these rounds and just barely made it into the finals. That didn't happen with the other historical scenarios; Lightning felt very much the underdog against Marche and Steiner.
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FFDragon posted...

Edward beats Auron tbqh.

Looking at the people who did vote for Lightning, I don't think that many switch camps and there are some who voted Edward (guff, Drak perhaps) who would have voted for Auron. I think you're a bit out of touch with this.
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FFDragon posted...

Edward comics were the best propaganda since Marche too.

A comic series that literally said "I am just going for second place" isn't really great propaganda if you want to get technical. Not a knock against the effort or quality or anything, but as a tool to actually get a win I feel that's counterintuitive.
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Drakeryn posted...

I don't really understand that, though. If you don't like a Lightning win, vote against it.

I prefer Lightning but don't dislike Edward. It really wasn't that "oh no Lightning has won" as much as it was, "ugh, really", at least for me. It's a repeat of last year and I'm just not sure who really wanted this. It didn't help that the main person behind Edward's run literally wrote him into second place before he even got there. I personally did not wish to support such a thing.
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Finals ranked:

Tidus vs. Kefka (CXVI) - Great quality match, close and both sides really into it for the long run. Not only ranking this as first since Tidus is my favorite winner, but the match itself was thrilling and never felt pre-decided. That's rare.

Vivi vs. Locke (CXVIII) - Quality match and a good fight to the end. Again, another match where there was a lot going for both sides and you weren't sure who might win.

Zack vs. Squall (CXIV) - Good quality, tight match. Nothing wrong with this.

Cloud vs. Laguna (CXIX) - High quality match, scarred by the MWC factor.

Balthier vs. Zidane (CVIII) - Cool match. I remember when people liked FFXII. Good times.

Cecil vs. Zidane (CI) - Again just going to base this off of the character quality, which is pretty high.

Auron vs. Sabin (CIX) - Not a bad final, good winner obviously but I don't think Sabin ever stood a chance here. But I don't think he was pushed and he's held up at least somewhat well in the years since.

Kuja vs. Terra (CVII) - At least Terra didn't win. A good win for the formerly dominant king of the contest.

Edgar vs. Tifa (CVI) - I like these characters and definitely participated. It's been too long for me to remember why it was so unpopular though.

Celes vs. Kuja (CIII) - Pretty good quality final, don't think I played.

Vivi vs. Rydia (CIV) - Good strong match, I think I might have participated a little but I'm not sure. Just going to rank this one according to characters.

Gilgamesh vs. Vivi (CXI) - Poor memories of this because I am still 99% sure Vivi actually won this match due to alt voting, from someone that later confessed the account I thought was an alt of his was all along. I'm still certain he used both accounts in this final, and given it was so close then yeah, Vivi should actually be a 3 time champion. Even so, the match was contested tightly and at least entertaining. Even if I have a level of envy and disdain for how Gilgamesh actually won.

Rydia vs. Cloud (CXV) - A bit sour on this in memory. I feel like this guy whom many dedicated the victory to disappeared from the board right after this.

Lulu vs. Auron (CII) - Can't comment much about this other than the quality. Apparently there was cheating involved and alts though, but I don't think I participated in this.

Marche vs. Lightning (CXIII) - A necessary, if rather stupid, conclusion.

Zidane vs. Ashe (CXII) - Largest blowout around, and even though Ashe is certainly a legit character and even defacto main character of her game, she was never in this. I feel like the 3rd and 4th place finishers (Rydia, Tidus) definitely would have fought Zidane much more here. This might have been the original case of "drag along a train for the easy win". But it's further out of my memory than others.

Reno vs. Kuja (CV) - The original bizarre win. This was more about voting against Kuja for some people I think, given his strength at this point in history. Definitely a strange result but I don't think it was particularly over-the-top like the last few have been.

Zell vs. Yuffie (CX) - I'm not gonna go on too much about how this came to be. I'll just say I didn't like it and the quality is pretty low anyway.

Steiner vs. Lightning (CXVII) - Yeah.

Lightning vs. Edward (CXXI) - Rendered the previous year pointless, since obviously the end goal was for Lightning to win. Literally almost the same final with a historically weak IV character getting destroyed.

Fang vs. Cid Pollendina (CXX) - Bad quality final with a boring end.

Ranking the finals. I based these on the characters in the final, which of the characters won as well as the general tone of the finals match itself. For instance I like Lightning alright, but the finals she's been a part of have been rather poor quality I think.
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Drakeryn posted...

I didn't! But maybe I'm just out of touch, given the contest results. There were so many people in the next-to-last round complaining about the finals and about Lightning's impending victory that I thought they could help Edward eke out a win.

Most people complaining about that knew they were not going to vote for Edward though, that's the thing. They were already bemoaning the results because they knew Lightning had already won, and it was super boring.
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FFDragon posted...

Real talk Charon: CXXII final four is Seymour/Squall/Kefka/Fusoya

You're not trying to drag Fusoya into the finals with you?

I'd rather lose outright to something strong than even take a risk of something weak and joke-oriented possibly winning, so no, I wouldn't.
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MZero11 posted...

v_charon posted...

I'd say the same thing about XIII creaming IV weaklings.

You all fret too much about what games these characters are from

I'm not fretting about it, I don't think IV is a bad game. I'm just saying these are weaklings, historically, from the same game and a character from another game that's the same crushed both in the finals over the last two years. It's so boring and I'm not sure what it is about this contest and predictable endings, but I'd say at least half the time you know who is the winning before the match starts. There's never any competition, and in the most popular "competition" on the board that feels a bit wrong. I mean Edward for instance needed 22 votes to reach the finals, right? He didn't even get those 22 voters in this final (or else he'd have had 220 votes). He didn't even get close to that. I mean I know trades were a thing obviously, but there was just zero excitement or interest to be had here for any side. Whether you wanted Lightning to win or not, you knew she was winning regardless of that and just... I don't see what fun there was to be had without the sense of competition that this contest is known for.
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MZero11 posted...

Donkey Kong votes were kind of funny last year but it's kind of stale now tbh

I'd say the same thing about XIII creaming IV weaklings.
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What an exciting end. Thrilling!
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DK 1
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Snake5555555555 posted...

This is probably a stretch, but I also thought the STALKER noms might've been a reference to Chernobyl reactor No. 2 catching fire in Oct. 1991.

You're correct, but not for the same reason! STALKER is probably the most well known series that is Ukrainian based, and that country has been around in the news a lot this last month!

Also there was one add for Oktoberfest; kinda hard to round up characters based around that.
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https://i.imgur.com/PiLvxNA.jpg
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Hopefully the link is working fine this time.
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http://www.mediafire.com/file/8d55dbs7035o2hi/VideoGameCharacters.rar/file

Quite the update here, one of the largest I've composed in quite some time with 342 new characters bringing the total number up to 20800. This is the October update featuring new characters from games released last month, your nominations, Borderlands 3 from September that I forgot as well as random other things. Can you find characters added this month inspired by real life events (that aren't Halloween or Day of the Dead)?
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Lightning 10
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Lightning 9
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Lightning 8
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Expect the update today.
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Almost at 70 now.
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Lightning 7
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Lightning 6
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Lightning 5
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Lightning 4
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Lightning 3
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Lightning 2
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Lightning 1
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I mean I didn't want to imply the ping was useless or so late not to be useful, to a normal person. I'm saying that it isn't applicable in the situation I was initially discussing, which is how a lot of people always reply within 15 seconds. The ping isn't within 15 seconds, based on the data collected, and even if it was you still need time to click the topic and post a reply in it.

v_charon posted...

usually at least a minute or so

I don't think I was factually incorrect about that. Even if it's somewhere usually between 30-90 seconds, those numbers are a lot bigger than 15 (and sometimes, usually, less).
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I mean he referenced me by name even though I'm sure logic would dictate even if I personally have not spoken on Discord in months, that I definitely have it on this PC due to Genny.
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Eddv posted...

Yeah this is just factually wrong.

My fiancee who lives with me insisted on Discord being reinstalled due to this contest however, so I have access to seeing it unfortunately. From a search, this is what I found. SMFFFC's start time on the left, ping on the right.

Today: 5:12 - 5:14
Yesterday: 4:46 - 4:47
Tuesday: 5:48 - 5:48
Monday: 6:41 - 6:42
Saturday: 3:03 - 3:04
Friday: 5:39 - 5:40

So yeah, I'm not incorrect according to the data. Discord doesn't provide seconds to my knowledge, but today's ping was even over a minute after the round began and yet the same people still appeared first even without that. My entire point was that the early voters are largely always the same regardless.
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It's not a super common thing, but the Discord ping has even been just forgotten about before.
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