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all of Isaac Chambers stuff. and also all of The White Stripes.

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Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!)

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Omnislasher posted...

run the jewels - a few words for the firing squad

i must know your opinion on Rage Against the Machine (which I know probably every normal person loves, but is it cliche to love it? what do you recommend like it?)

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Pandamonic posted...

Queens of the Stone Age - Spiders and Vinegaroons

https://youtu.be/3-AOPFRXebg

This is so un-QOTSA, yet I love it.

I'm a simple person, if I see QOTSA I press play.

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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

Dude's a 30+year old man still making creepy topics objectifying women and creepily stalking female users throughout the years while talking like he's 14 years old. The fact that people enable him still baffles me

the only vegy i've ever seen posts omggehhjhhhh and shit like that and kpop memes <_< never saw that stuff you're talking about

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I've been here like since the mid 2000s. So I've seen vegy in all his accounts since the start.

I don't remember a single bad topic. But I could just be remembering wrong?

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I've never seen vegy make a bad topic.

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god i love these topics

they always were some of my favorites, found so many good recommendations over the years

i've got these songs on repeat. going through oldies and goodies from the first young summer days when things were more wild and free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raB8z_tXq7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdHsuuXxfk

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Mberer posted...

TheDogfather's memories will be kept alive through this topic as well.

wtf...Dogfather that would always post meme topics against Cat died?

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Conflict posted...

Everdownward was a pretty cool and chill dude, much like ZCheveyo who also died of cancer. I knew he mentioned getting diagnosed a long while back, but it's always shocking when people die regardless

RIP

wtf since the last time i was here, he was still alive :( wtf.... :(

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Alucard188 posted...

RIP, CEer.

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It's simple, when I see Killmonger in a thread I stick around because I know it's good

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Killmonger posted...

omg

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I loved those books.

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Timbaland - Carry Out ft. Justin Timberlake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdHsuuXxfk

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unless it's the DLC, don't feel like you need to do all the sidequests right now.

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I will not mourn the passing of people who do not love humans, but I will let God judge them in the end. It's pointless to be divided over Rush's death. We need solidarity across all people if we are to succeed as a species against the Big Oil billionaire propaganda machine.

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legendarylemur posted...

Sure there are multiple form of morality and all, but I think in general, the world is heavily leaning towards senseless mass killings and slavery, though I suppose not entirely indentured servitude disguised as jobs. The US did indeed go through the same growing pains and the same level of crime, so there is a possibility China does become a whole new entity down the line, but right now that government is problematic, and most countries not indebted to them are feeling it.

This is true but there is literally nothing that we can do right now except be smarter with our purchases. Any serious action to try to force them into the future the way we did Nazi Germany, would likely destroy this planet forever. I'm all for strategic pressure, conversations with their leadership, finding ways to tell them we should respect all humans, but I feel like some people are clamoring for war with China which would be a mistake for the species.

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The truth about China is that it's most likely a legitimately blossoming country that is learning, the way America is. Both countries have challenges to overcome. But we need to work together and join forces with the goal of providing a great life for all people, with freedom of information and freedom to explore any ideas in honest conversation with one another.

Propaganda flows from and against all countries. So let's just love people and work together.

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progressive bluegrass is awesome, thx for sharing

also you were right about taxes all those years ago btw

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1337toothbrush posted...

They've always been interested in being called philanthropists because it's an image laundering scheme. This has no effect on their greed and they'll happily let everything go to shit as they swoop in and grab an ever greater share of the wealth for pennies on the dollar. Their greed knows no bounds. Trillions of dollars were injected into assets in an instant at the first sign of trouble, meanwhile pandemic relief to the average person is a slow trickle.

If you look at history you'll see that they used to be a lot more flagrant in how hard they'd exploit and harm regular people. From the days of Pharaoh, to royalty, to robber barons, to oil barons, to the remaining billionaire dinosaurs of the Old Guard (Big Oil bootlickers), and now to just some philanthropist types. I'm optimistic that their time is coming to an end and they know it.

You're right though, the fed did too much to prop up assets and not enough to prop up individuals and households. The stimulus we spent so far could've been some $30,000 to $50,000 per household for the entire year, thereby eliminating the pandemic as a crisis and making it just most Americans' first vacation in a long time...Lots of work to do still, but I'm optimistic about people waking up and not gargling the propaganda anymore lol.

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1337toothbrush posted...

2022, but then that's when the economy collapses as the jackasses decide that everyone should be fine after a couple years of pandemic and they suddenly withdraw the meager amount of relief they were providing before people can get back on their feet proper.

The world economy is unlikely to handle another Great Recession, and the elite class knows this. They will do whatever it takes to prevent it. This is why all of a sudden you have billionaires becoming more interested in being known as philanthropists rather than Big Oil Guardians like they used to be. Have faith.

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If she likes you, she'd definitely expect that as a sign of respect/genuine desire. ;)

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Supporting circumcision in 2021 is so fucking weird and sadistic.

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Squall28 posted...

They're usually cool from my experience. Think you're just insecure.

this. Thats all it is, insecurity. And its to be expected, its CE

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I don't even know why I'm bothering arguing common sense with our resident tankie

dont worry, after youve trounced his lies enough hell eventually block you and then repeat the same landlording arguments when the next topic about landlords is up

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Its hard to believe how stupid some people are.

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TC, I'd encourage you to look elsewhere if you're interested in quality conversations.

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Balrog0 posted...

It'll never happen. The gop doesn't want it at all and the Democrats don't want it if it's tied to cuts to social programs

Plenty of things that "nobody wanted" became immensely popular and started changing things. We're seeing it with marijuana legalization across the country. Happened with gay marriage. It'll happen with UBI too. It has to.

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Bleuets posted...

UBI would just cause inflation and everything would remain as it is.

not if you tie it to inflation

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CommonStar posted...

I'm all for UBI if it doesn't replace or take away from the social safety nets that are already in place. Otherwise it's completely useless.

this is literally nonsense. Direct cash payments are known to be more effective and efficient than traditional welfare approaches.

read: Utopia For Realists by Rutger Bregman

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yes we do

$2k per citizen 18 years or older per month

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Increase your bodily injury coverage so that if you get hit by an uninsured driver, you're not screwed. It's worth the small amount extra each month for that peace of mind.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Oh that sig, whoever tc is they had that sig for quite awhile. I forgot though.

it's your buddy Proudclad, man

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I think people still underestimate the size of some of these birds.

Here's a chicken.

https://giphy.com/gifs/big-chicken-rise-n-grind-really-xUPGcp0H0CMo0WQone

that's a dog in a chicken suit man

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pure_temper posted...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XDM944L

Also, everyone should read this book and other books like it.

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averagejoel posted...

cutting out the middle-men (e.g. landlords) and providing those services directly would also do this, and it would have the added bonus of not funneling money into the pockets of people who don't need it

You don't cut out middle-men (landlords) for efficiency gains by then instituting new middle-men (government bureacrats who monitor and oversee shelter.) That is counter-productive. We'd have the DMV of housing. It's more effective to empower people to negotiate their lot in life from a position of power. In this case, from a position of having guaranteed income with no dependency on the state or on anyone else for their food and shelter and future.

averagejoel posted...

this is a statement that requires a full essay with a lot of citations backing it up

If we were being academic, yes. In general we all know of examples of government management of resources creating more process and paper-shifters where unnecessary. Corporations are guilty of it too. The better approach would be to build more housing. Government's role would be to facilitate this if it wants to. At no point would I tolerate the state being the only purveyor of shelter. Certainly not as a direct alternative to giving citizens $2k a month once they're old enough to want to buy a home or rent a home.

averagejoel posted...

this... has nothing to do with what I was talking about

Yes it does. It's examples of decentralization being superior to centralization, from the perspective of how easy it would be for a state to abuse its power. In this case, UBI is the mother of all decentralization, empowering people to make choices on their own behalf. Rather than making them serfs to a state that does that.

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averagejoel posted...

oh goddammit I'm responding to proudclad

you already knew this before you typed up your response. it's impossible to have quoted my response sentence by sentence that way without seeing the sig, and without having seen the sig well in advance to starting your response assuming you bothered to read the post before starting your response.

that being said, I'm confident in the data/evidence and always able to present it. i have no need to convince you if you don't want to be convinced by it or if this is the game you'll play lol. you're just one person.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

SNAP benefits are based on household size.

Your proposal would divide welfare spending among adults only.

In my mind, $48,000 for a household in just free money without needing to work...greatly exceeds the raw amount that a household is typically getting in any amount of food-stamps/welfare for an entire year. Is that not the case? If there's some number of children where this logic breaks, then we can certainly add more to the pot for those cases. But those would be outliers in all likeliness.

In general though, the broader point was that you don't need to give every citizen $2k. Certainly not an 8 year old child. They're not consuming that kind of money every month as is, even when receiving state benefits. And the reason I brough this up in the first place was because it becomes a lot more affordable when you're giving $2k a month to some 207 million Americans rather than all 330 million.

Edit: And realistically, many of those 207 million would eventually earn more income on top of their UBI, thereby paying back into the system. So you wouldn't even need to be giving it to 207 million all things considered.

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Frosted_Midna posted...

My god! I am happy no bird is bigger than a human!

Some used to be

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

If you want to end welfare spending in the US to create a program that doesn't give money to children then IDK what to say

We give food stamps to their parents, don't we? Not to the kids themselves. The idea I'm getting at is that you don't need to give children $2k a month in order to accomplish UBI, generally speaking you want to make sure their parents are able to provide for them.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Obviously more than 4k but you wouldn't want a UBI that didn't include children.

So basically every UBI proposal ends up requiring really questionable forms of taxation to fund it. Like wealth taxes.

I think children wouldn't need to be included, or if we include them we could get by with significantly reducing the amount. In general, if a household is pulling in $48k pre-tax from the parents' combined UBI, we'd not have any problems with child-rearing except in outlier cases.

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averagejoel posted...

you have this backwards.

the biggest points of inefficiency in the system are people who own necessary services and don't work -- people like landlords and owners of major grocery stores. functionally, all they do is leech resources away from the rest of the system. it's a colossal waste.

giving $600 each to three roommates is effectively giving $1800 to their landlord. better to take that out of the system entirely

Or the UBI in cash would empower those individuals to have more choices, so they no longer need a shitty job or can afford to be mobile and thus more selective in where they live in the first place. In general, the state controlling services people need just makes those things more expensive and difficult to manage. And prone to abuse.

We need to decentralize as much as possible, so there's no single point of control over everything. A smart grid that allows people to power their own homes with solar panels and sell surplus energy back into the grid, over nuclear plants managed by the state. Community-run internet, over giant government-run ISPs. Community-run vertical farms, automated and overseen by the people benefiting from the food, over government-run food production.

Technology will empower this form of communism, and imo it's the only one that could ever exist and be pleasant to us as humans. A centralized power attempting it will never work.

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