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I hope you didn't celebrate your 21st, TC. An alcoholic might have seen!
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Suchomimus posted...

The Last Jedi retroactively makes The Force Awakens bad.

Hot take: TFA was actually bad and TLJ just shone a light on the problems.

Turns out stuffing a bunch of mysteries into a box and painting a veneer of intrigue over it while throwing your hands up in the air and letting someone else come up with the answers is a bad way to write a movie.
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Relentless. Fucking. Experience.
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DavidWong posted...

Put it this way. Would you buy the cereal that is a plain white box with the word "Cereal" in black text on it, and the tagline "This is nourishing and provides the energy you need", or the one that is colourful, has a snappy name and advertises itself as "healthy" or "delicious"?

You're on point, but I absolutely would go for the first one because it would be something different. The novelty would intrigue me enough to get me to try a box where the endless variants of colorful packaging wouldn't stand out to me at all.
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Hewwo mister obama
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chetmanly posted...

sounds like you guys don't understand the question

No, no

We get it.
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This reminds me of the time I took intro to philosophy in college my freshman year.

The semester had just begun, and Philosophy 111 had a room full of students. The professor stood up and began to speak: "Welcome to Philosophy 111, I just have one question for the class... do you believe in God? If you do, then raise your hand."

Many hands were raised across the room, the majority of the class did in fact believe in God.

"Well then, let's see how strong your belief really is..." said the professor. "If you keep your hand raised, you will receive an F in this class." In an instant hundreds of hands lowered across the room. The professor, pleased with himself, slowly turned his head to look at each section of students.

"That's what I thought," he said with a smirk. In fact the professor had gone through this same exercise at the start of every semester, and without fail he always got the entire class to lower their hands, denying their belief in God.

But as the professor was finished turning his head, he saw one student in the front row with his hand still raised. The professor was shocked, but he knew exactly how to handle this. He marched right up to the student, and said with a scowl on his face, "So... you believe in God."

"That's right," said you student.

"But you will receive an F in this class. Doesn't that matter to you?"

"Not at all," said the student. "If I am ashamed of God, he will be ashamed of me when I stand before him after I die."

"So..." said the professor, "you believe in an afterlife?"

"Yes," said the student.

"And you believe that following God will get you into this afterlife?"

"Yes."

The professor grew angry. "Well then, I suppose you have some proof that this God of yours exists."

"I do," said the student. He reached into his backpack and grabbed a book. He stood up and held the book in front of him, displaying it across the room for the whole class to see. "This," he said, "is the Holy Bible. It is the written word of God. In it is everything you just asked about and much more. It is the proof you're looking for."

The professor was visibly shaken. He tried to make a clever response to the student, but he couldn't. It was as if God himself was holding his tongue.

The student turned to the class and said, "if you believe in God raise your hand high in the air!" And the entire class stood up and raised their hands as high as they could.

Then the student walked up to the professor, who was on his knees with tears falling from his eyes. "Don't worry about your past," said the student. "Your sins can be forgiven, and God has a place for you in his kingdom." The student reached his hand out to the professor.

The professor looked up in awe. He grabbed the student's hand, and stood up. Right then and there, the professor was a new man. The class applauded.

From that day forward, Philosophy 111 became a Bible Study Group and every student became closer to God.
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chetmanly posted...

Never watching it's always Sunny again

Liberal pos

Lmao.
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That seems like a you problem, tbh

When I was in middle school, I was hypercompetitive with like 4 other guys. We tried to get better grades than the rest in every other class. And we were standout students, above the girls easily.

Getting bad grades and blaming it on school being for girls is refusing to take responsibility for your own attitude problems.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

you have to think bigger and more trollish

This is not normal human behavior.
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White Pope Iseem frowns on such behavior.
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If she passes the boner test, I can work with it.
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3khc posted...

marthsheretoo posted...

The humans in Pocahontas

Dat's racist
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The humans in Avatar
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My friend knew an Indian woman named Dum Blonda
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Southernfatman posted...

Lord of The Rings Episode 8: The Last Edain
Hobbit One
Strider: A Lord of The Rings Story

I feel we already got a taste of what Disney could do through a lot of Jackson's dumb changes in LOTR/The Hobbit. More so the Hobbit than LOTR of course. We got dumb forced jokes, mary sues, dumb action fests, getting characters dead wrong... It just wasn't nearly as bad as Disney would have done.

I can't wait for the LotR sequel trilogy 15 years down the line.
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There's a deranged conspiracy theory that Trump and Pence did just that.
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Doctors without borders don't have shit on me.
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I can appreciate the artistry of it, but it's not the kind of thing I'd choose to read.
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Paula's help in winning Josh's love
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Alkaloid posted...

I'm about to put up that writing prompt topic, if y'all are into that kind of stuff

Sorry dude, I have enough trouble these days being productive with my own projects.

Best of luck to all of you that do it though!
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I just hate consuming information in video format.

Write it out so I can read it. I can read so much faster than I listen.
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DAMN, Phazon btfo
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Apprehend my body before Trump can fuck up my personal life.

Then confess to a bunch of heinous shit on live TV. Try and implicate as many Republican politicians as I can.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Can we make a part 2? I like talking about books and writing on CE.

If nobody made a part 2, I was going to.

On topic: I'm no stranger to flowery language and varied word choice. One of the projects I'm most proud of was a rewrite of Midsummer Night's Dream with a completely different plot, and I stuck as close to the original style as I could. IMO, it turned out well.

But now I'm back to a less flowery form with my new novel because I feel the style matches that better.
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Doom_Art posted...

marthsheretoo posted...

Please tell me you're quoting Ani

yes sir

Good man.
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Doom_Art posted...

"now there's two jedi and two sith. that's not balance"

Please tell me you're quoting Ani

HylianFox posted...

but Anakin DID bring balance by wiping out the Jedi and restoring the Sith

Anakin actually ended up bringing balance by wiping out the last two members of the Sith many years after bringing down the Jedi order.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think they know yet

I can guarantee that I knew I was straight before I first had sex. I think you'll find that a lot of people know.

Some people don't, and that's fine too. I do think that people can be generally trusted to self-ID.

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's not a points system. You don't trip the point of no return gay foobar by watching porn

But you do by having sex, evidently.
The purpose of these questions is to figure out where that line is for you. So porn doesn't do it for you, and maybe you think a blow/handjob is more of a gray area?

I don't really understand why you decided I thought people who watched gay porn were gay since I have, from the beginning, taken issue with the idea that actions define sexuality in general. Whether having sex or watching porn, both are equally ridiculous to me.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Questions he was stating as an argument for why married men with kids are actually bisexuals. Don't play silly.

Married men with kids can certainly be bisexual. That doesn't mean they all are, or even that most of them are. I know a few bi guys who only date women due to the societal judgment that comes with being in a relationship with another man.

Come to think of it, let's think about a gay man in rural 1960s south who, out of fear for his own life, feigns straightness, marries a woman, and fathers kids in order to blend in. However, he doesn't enjoy the sex, in fact, he hates it, and constantly fantasizes about sleeping with men (though he has never been brave enough to risk it). I feel like by your classification, this man would be straight. I say he wouldn't even be bi, he would be straight-up gay.

Am I misrepresenting your position?
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I just made the decision to not buy like, 15 guns

Get out your wallet, TC
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Panthera posted...

Unfair making people wonder whether he's illiterate, incapable of understanding how conversations work or a troll? Must be a day ending in -day

I can honestly say I never imagined explaining to someone what a question is would be a necessary part of an argument.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Of course, everytime you say something wrong it's not actually you're views and everyone else is dishonest.

ok..

They were very clearly questions. You took them as views and made wild assumptions, and now when I try to return the discussion to its original focus, you're resisting.

I hesitate to call you a troll, Unfair, and I would very much like to continue this discussion. But I'd like to see that you can argue in good faith.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I've answered everything I've been asked. You on the other hand have not.

The questions you quoted above were never answered. Here, I'll ask them again (with the unnecessary disclaimer that they DO NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT MY VIEWS)

So people who haven't had sex exist in a label-less void? Not straight, gay, asexual, bisexual, or any other label? Having sex for the first time is this defining moment for you?

What about a blowjob? A handjob? A kiss? Looking at porn? Do any of these count to "determine" sexuality?

Each of those question marks represents a separate question. Answer them.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You on the other hand have not.

If I've missed questions, I'm happy to answer them. Please repost them and I'll get right on that.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So people who haven't had sex exist in a label-less void? Not straight, gay, asexual, bisexual, or any other label? Having sex for the first time is this defining moment for you?

What about a blowjob? A handjob? A kiss? Looking at porn? Do any of these count to "determine" sexuality?

As I explained before, which you would have read if you were interested in engaging with my posts, none of the above was meant to signal my views.

They were questions meant to feel out the boundaries of what you believe and nothing more.

Questions you avoided, and never made an attempt to answer once I pointed this out.

I can only repeat myself so many times before I get tired.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't.

I don't follow where you lose the sex part of Bisexual.

To you she's not bi, porn stars who do bisexual scenes aren't bi.

But a happily married man with 14 kids, who only slept with one girl his entire life is bi if he saw gay porn a couple of times...

Come on man, this isn't that complex.

Another post, another distortion.

Let me be perfectly clear, Unfair:

The only stance I have definitively taken in this thread is that bisexual people are allowed to call themselves bisexual whether they have had sex with both a man and a woman or not.

You have accused me of taking a number of stances entirely unrelated to this very simple premise, and in fact, have stated that I am approaching sexuality from a more cut-and-dried position than you are when you are the one trying to put additional limitations on the label of bisexuality. These stances are a product of either your own imagination, or poor reading comprehension on your part.

If you were as committed to honest debate as you claim, you would not muddy the waters with these additional accusations or set up strawmen to tear down. You would not avoid questions and do the bare minimum to keep the argument going, but would engage thoughtfully with the issues presented.

EDIT: Wait, no. Boy, have we gotten off track. The other stance I took, the original one, is that poly people can be married and still poly. Which is tangentially related to the bisexuality question, and just as obviously right.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I never said she would disagree with being called Bi, she'd disagree with being told shes sexually attracted to women.

I find that to be a confusing distinction, but it clearly makes sense to her and I'd happily let her define her own sexuality given the circumstances of her situation.

Something you seem hellbent on not letting some bisexual people do.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That's debatable. She'd disagree.

But she enjoys consentual sex with both genders. So she's Bi.

"She would disagree with being called bi, but she is anyway because I said so."

And we're supposed to be the ones being disrespectful to bi people. 0_0
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Unless it's a mixed threesome you're not bi the first time you have sex.

A statement that has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked. We're talking about people who haven't had sex at all.

UnfairRepresent posted...

So by your logic if a teenage girl looks up lesbian porn one time, then has sex with men for 50 years she's bi?

My logic? I'm trying to figure out what mental gymnastics you're pulling to come up with your weird-ass worldview. Turning this question back at me instead of answering it is just your way of avoiding this. It shouldn't be too difficult to give me straightforward answers if your worldview is honest or coherent.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hell a lot of gay people even tried straight relationships first, it failed and then they realized they were gay

True. But by your logic, these people would be bi since they have had a relationship with both a girl and a guy.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Or alternatively a lot of bi people thought they were gay or straight until they met one specific person who there were attracted too, rather than a whole sex.

Also true. Do you think this somehow prevents bisexual people from knowing they're bi before they have sex with both genders?

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

I mean by your logic everyone (nearly) on CE is gay because they watched porn that had a dick in it

You're the one making it out to be cut and dried, and I have never even implied that I think anything of the sort. My reference to porn above has nothing to do with my own beliefs on the subject and was simply a stress-test of your own worldview (which again, you avoided).

UnfairRepresent posted...

They agree with me.

Funny, both my partners are bi, as is most of my friend group. All of them would say you were wrong.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's verging on insulting to real bisexuals to claim he is.

Why don't you go ask some real bisexuals and see what they say?

The friend I mentioned earlier, who's poly and married, she's also bi. You can ask her about both things at once!
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But it's dishonest and childish to go "George Bush is Bi because despite being married with kids he probably fantaizes about dicks too!"

Sure, but nobody is doing this. If George Bush made a statement that he was bi and fantasized about dicks, though, I trust him to know that about himself.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I wouldn't "assign" anything

So people who haven't had sex exist in a label-less void? Not straight, gay, asexual, bisexual, or any other label? Having sex for the first time is this defining moment for you?

What about a blowjob? A handjob? A kiss? Looking at porn? Do any of these count to "determine" sexuality?

UnfairRepresent posted...

I dont think you can claim to be bi or at least have it carry any weight if you've never had sex or at least a relationship with someone of both sexes.

You're allowed to think whatever you want, but it doesn't make you any less wrong.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No

Okay, let's expand on this.

What label would you assign someone who has never had sex? Which of their qualities would inform you?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes?

I like how you ignored the rest of that paragraph because you know your POV doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So a man who marries 1 girl and has 6 kids and never f***s anyone else ever in their life is Bi to you?

Dude

It depends on whether or not he's attracted to guys as well.

How is something so simple beyond your ability to understand?

So going by your logic, someone needs to have sex with at least one guy and at least one girl to be bi.

A man has sex for the first time with another man. Would you say he was gay until he had sex with a woman, then all of a sudden he's bi? Before he had sex with that man, would you say he was asexual? What if this man has been attracted to women since puberty, never got the opportunity to sleep with one, then got drunk one night with his best friend and they ended up having sex? This is still a gay man to you? One who can "become" bi by sleeping with a woman?

Even for you, this is disappointing logic.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Funkydog posted...

Just because you are open to polygamy yourself, doesn't mean you are necessarily practising it in your current relationship. Would mean Bi people who are dating the opposite gender are no longer bi, according to you, otherwise.

Someone who has only had sex with one gender is not bi

Are you ok?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

HaVeNII7 posted...

I mean Im polyamorous myself, and if my wife

You can't be polyamorous while married to one chick.

That's just monogamy

You're so wrong, dude.
Ignoring what all the other folks said about being poly being more a state of mind than a state of relationship, the most poly couple I know is happily married, with each of them having multiple boyfriends/girlfriends outside of that. I dare you to tell them how they aren't poly, lol. They'd laugh in your face.
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Well for starters, they didn't put together an overarching plan for the ST and instead just let directors make stuff up as they went along, leaving the plot to be a disjointed mess.

They allowed aggressively mediocre creative endeavors through their quality control, like Wendig's trilogy, Rebels, and episodes 8/9.

And... nah, that mostly covers it, I think. I still have Solo tickets for opening night (anthology spinoffs are 1-for-1 so far, quality-wise) and the more I hear about the theme park, the more I want to spend all my savings there. And at least their movies are better than the prequels (can't say that about Aftermath tho. Bleh).
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Not right now.

Later, once I have money, sure. I'd do it for a day or two.
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Except that I actually enjoy eating rich, decadent food.

I'd say the better metaphor for Gogg's writing is a straight-up stick of butter.
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Cal12 posted...

They are enacting a law I believe this year that basically makes esas horse s*** and people will actually have to register service animals with actual ID.

That's too bad. My girlfriend really needs her ESA but I doubt he'll qualify as a service animal.
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Question86 posted...

Hotel sex is the best sex. There's something about hotels that make sex better.

The knowledge that you don't have to clean up the mess you're about to make and the people in the rooms around you just gotta grit their teeth through your multi-hour fuck session.

I'll have sex with my girlfriend if our schedules intersect, and I scheduled a block of time with my mistress where we can bang like wildcats. So odds are looking good.
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Konflikt posted...

I can't believe you guys are trying to have a legitimate discussion with an illiterate literature elitist.

That is like, the perfect tag.
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