Lurker > joe40001

Replace it with "communism" and I'd say it's a good meme.

Rogan is pro-Bernie, so he actually kinda supports socialism, I'm guessing he didn't make the original image and just thought it was kinda funny, which it kinda is.

Guide posted...

Most people don't do this kinda thing, but I might give it a crack in a bit.

That'd be awesome.

Antifar posted...

There are more than a dozen states pushing anti-CRT laws full of the censorship you say you're against, but here you are inventing anecdotes to justify placing your focus on CRT instead.

It's not invented, it's figurative, it's to illustrate a point. To actually help the poor they'd have to invest more money, but if they can all read white fragility and admit to "complicitness in racism" they don't have to do any real work to help people with their opportunities.

Also "bad thing is bad" is not an argument that "other bad thing is not bad" nor is it an argument that "all negative responses to bad thing are good." So me saying these CRT-esque things are bad is not an argument that other things aren't bad, or that all the negative responses to CRT-esque things are good. I've made this point clear several times.

Bump

I'm debating giving a small hint that might be something some of you already assumed. Maybe if nobody makes progress in the next several hours I might.

TC does not understand incels.

CobraGT posted...

I found a cool description of CRT and an explanation for the fear. The site is Brookings.edu

"
Sociologists and other scholars have long noted that racism can exist without racists. However, many Americans are not able to separate their individual identity as an American from the social institutions that govern usthese people perceive themselves as the system. Consequently, they interpret calling social institutions racist as calling them racist personally. It speaks to how normative racial ideology is to American identity that some people just cannot separate the two. There are also people who may recognize Americas racist past but have bought into the false narrative that the U.S. is now an equitable democracy. They are simply unwilling to remove the blind spot obscuring the fact that America is still not great for everyone.
"

That statement isn't horribly far off, but it's blindspots say more about the actual problem than the statement itself.

The flawed nature of the statement you posted kinda captures the problems, rather than say things like America and it's systems contain racism, it says they ARE racist. As if America is defined by nothing but bigotry. We had slavery (as did many other places) but we also had a fight to end it. We had a civil rights movement with countless people of all races fighting for equality. America and American history is so much more than just a story of racism. It's a story with flaws, sure, nobody is arguing otherwise. But things like the factually inaccurate 1619 project would argue America IS racism and nothing more.

A similar slight of hand is done around whiteness, rather than say "some white people have wielded power through racism" they will say things like "all white people are complicit in oppression."

They do a similar thing with blacks and victimhood, and again it's reductive and antithetical to MLK's dream.

With so many people in this country suffering it's stupid to take a large group of them and say "yeah you're suffering isn't real, you are complicit in racism and should feel bad, also you have tremendous privilege."

And it's equally bad to take black people (particularly children) and say "you are not a peer of white kids, you should feel uncomfortable thinking of them as your peer, all whites are oppressor's to you and you will never have a fair shake in life. You are a victim and nobody including yourself can define you otherwise, furthermore because of this it is incumbent on society to have lower expectations for you."

Both these stances are part of the CRT-esque movement and are horrible and counter-productive.

It's performance art, you want to actually help racial divisions, send money/resources to poor neighborhoods, end the war on drugs, focus on effective teaching methods for reading,

Just about anything you do to help the poor will disproportionality help people of color, and if that's actually your goal you should do that.

There seem to be some people who go "ok, this policy to help the poor, will in help white poor people too? Yes? FUCK THAT. Let's spend 100k to get Ihbram X Kendi to give a speech at our teacher's union and call it a day."

So for people looking for clarity on what I'm talking about, I'd listen to this question and response at this timestamp:
https://youtu.be/R4pikerUu6o?t=911

Only idiot republicans are for banning books from libraries, but it either naively or willfully obtuse to act like there no "CRT-esque" problem in many schools.

A further example: certain colleges have started re-segregating dorm rooms and graduations. This is not progress. This, IMO, is antithetical to MLK's "will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" dream.

They are teaching in some schools/colleges explicitly the opposite. And that is what I object to.

A person is not defined by their race, this was not a hot take even in far left circles 5 years ago, it was what any intelligent normal person understood was the healthy way to view individuals.

Anything trying to push us backwards is not "progressive" and is something I oppose.

And just to make it crystal clear to those of you who like to willfully misinterpret me, this does not mean I defend every action taken in the name of "anti-CRT", as demonstrated by my explicit opposition to the censorship discussed in this topic, I care about principles/truth, not political tribalism or reductive narratives.

Keep alive bump

Funkydog posted...

Imagine replying to joe numbers and not being disgusted with yourself.

Literally impossible.

That's incredibly rude, what have I ever done to you?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's mostly you who seems confused. After work I will clarify further for you.

She was in the past

I will highlight this because it is part of the puzzle/ruleset
The Name of the puzzle is "Multi-color Madness!"

And with the link to the solver page I include the statement:
(Recommended: Click the gear icon and enable "Multi-color Mode")

Unless it really stumps people I don't plan on giving hints, but being aware of the title and that suggestion are part of the puzzle/rules so I thought I'd explicitly highlight them here just in case anybody glossed over them.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Do you even care that that is not what I said?

Ivany2008 posted...

ok, cool

edit: Yeah.... I can't get the break in. I might try again over the weekend for fun, but gluck to anyone who can solve it. I usually play along with Bremstar or Cracking the Cryptic, but at most I can solve 3/5s right now. I put a couple of my own on their discord, only to receive a 1/5, so I have a long way to go lol

It's alright, I'm not that great at solving either. I've got a few 4/5s solves under my belt, but idk if I have done a 5/5 yet. But I don't do attempts that often, mostly I just like watching Simon solve them.

It can be really fun setting them, spending a lot of time with an idea and improving on it until it's finally ready to share. If you have links to your published puzzles I might want to take a look.

"Hello and welcome to the Oscar's planning committee. We've been making major strides in recent years, but we'd really like it for this to be the year we finally lose any remaining shreds of respect anybody still had left for us... So with that in mind, does anybody have any suggestions?"

Ivany2008 posted...

just a quick question, assuming I'm reading it correctly, with the Toroidal rules that means that if there is a 3 in R1/C2, that means there can't be a 3 in R8/C1 & R8/C3?

Correct

Chadawah posted...

Is this the one of the good timelines, or a bad one? I wish I knew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfbeK5LAl0

ZMythos posted...

Are the Democrats making secret bets on how incompetent they can make themselves out to be while still being objectively better than Republicans?

I've heard it characterized as Democrats will find a way to pull a defeat from the jaws of victory.

_HayleyWilliams posted...

You mean a problem that doesn't exist that Republicans scare "independent" thinkers with to gain support for their divisive agenda?

It does exist.

Weird how every "independent" argument amounts to "Yeah the right is bad, but it's really all the left's fault for starting it". The "problem" doesn't even need to be significant or widely supported.

No, the argument is bad thing is bad. In this case the bad things origins trace it roots to the left. However the censorship actions of republican politicians is also bad, and the fault of those republicans.

Just need a communist on Twitter to say something outrageous and get 500 retweets and Republicans will be proposing bills to end the radical lefitst agenda of centrist Democrats, to the roars of conservative and independent voters everywhere. "Why aren't you mad Biden isn't doing anything about ?" Probably because I never heard of the random thing that is taking over the world and I'm one of the groups of leftists who already hated Biden for something else. There might be 2 shitty parties, but only one of them has rabid, unwavering support.

??? I legitimately don't know which party you are talking about there. Both sides seem to have camps of very rabid unwavering support.

For me, I try not to care about the tribalism and speak to whatever the specific issue/policy is.

Serious Cat posted...

I sat and stared at it for 45 minutes and put colors in a few places and made a vague observation on what goes in the cages.

Dang, you seemed to have some good instincts about the puzzle. I'm glad you gave it a shot.

GameGodOfAll posted...

I haven't made any progress since the initial night, but still have it opened in a tab to give it a go when I get some down time.

Ok, cool. Good luck! I'll keep the topic bumped.

Good luck to all, I'll keep the topic bumped for anybody who wants to go for it.

@kingdrake2 @GameGodOfAll @Serious_Cat

You all expressed some interest, have you had a chance to give it a go?

Robot2600 posted...

rick moranis is dead or just his career,

That's a good point actually...

Didn't he get punched or something?

Bishop9800 posted...

Yes you do.

You proved it time and time again in this topic. But hey, continue to deny it.

I'm literally against the policy they are pushing.

Are you seriously trying to gaslight a person about their own opinions? lol

Bishop9800 posted...

You share the same thought on CRT like them....

No I don't.

As we can see from this book banning policy, they are sloppy and imprecise and don't seem to know or care about the differences between the actual divisive policies being taught and just some random thing they target.

I've made it clear what kind of thing I am against, I've made it clear these kinds of books obviously aren't that.

The one policy (random book banning) being discussed in this topic I am explicitly against. So I don't see how you can suggest that I agree with them.

What I really think: "Independent people across the country take issue with racially divisive things being taught as fact in schools, and opportunist republican politicians try to capitalize off that without generally understanding or caring about the actual problem."

Bishop9800 posted...

Give it a few minutes, @joe40001 will try to.

It's weird how people act like I constantly defend republicans when I can't remember the last time I defended a republican politician over such things.

Most of the time people aren't responding to me but responding to some strawman of me that has very little to do with actual me.

Have the people dunking on me acknowledged that I'm completely against this book ban? Or is it an issue where because it goes against their narrative and expectations they just don't even notice?

Where are the lightsabers?

Made me think of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everywhere_at_the_End_of_Time

Everywhere at the End of Time is the eleventh recording by the Caretaker, an alias of English electronic musician Leyland Kirby. Released from 2016 to 2019, its six studio albums depict the progression of dementia through degrading loops of ballroom recordings. Inspired by the success of An Empty Bliss Beyond This World (2011), Kirby recorded Everywhere as his final work under the alias. He produced the albums in Krakow over six-month periods to "give a sense of time passing", using abstract paintings by his friend Ivan Seal. The series drew comparisons to composer William Basinski and electronic musician Burial, with the later stages being influenced by avant-gardist John Cage.

The complete edition consists of a six-and-a-half-hour long work that presents a range of emotions and is characterised by noise. The last three stages depart from Kirby's earlier ambient works, while the first three are similar to An Empty Bliss. The music depicts the patient's disorder and death, their feelings, and the phenomenon of terminal lucidity. To promote the series, Kirby partnered with visual artist Weirdcore for music videos. At first, he thought of not creating Everywhere at all, expressing concern about whether the series would be a pretentious idea; Kirby spent more time producing the series than any other release of his. The album covers received coverage from a French art exhibition named after the Caretaker's Everywhere, an Empty Bliss (2019), a compilation of unused work.

As each stage was released, the series received increasingly positive reviews from critics, who felt emotionally about the complete edition, given its length and dementia-driven concept. Everywhere at the End of Time is considered to be Kirby's magnum opus, and became an Internet phenomenon in 2020, appearing in TikTok videos as a six-and-a-half-hour listening challenge. Caregivers of people with dementia also praised the albums as they increased empathy for carers among younger listeners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJWksPWDKOc

Turtlebread posted...

Solved it but wanna give someone else a chance

I'm not sure if anybody else is going for it right now.

Both are awesome

I'd feel so bad for anybody who is as broken as me.

They deserve better.

For some reason I don't think I deserve better, but they would.

Also badger badger is great.

I've been clinically diagnosed with severe depression for most of my life.

Yes

Xethuminra posted...

Why did this get cancelled? Anyone legitimately not like it,

Yes, very much. I tried to give it all benefit of the doubt and get into it, but it was both poorly written and very on the nose.

Well directed though, but the writing... oof.

I got through all of S1, never got around to looking at S2.

IIRC Six Degrees of Freedom was the name of my favorite episode.

I wonder if she'll do that cutting off clothes thing on a dude to gender flip it.

"obviously no."

And my public school had a library. I think most schools do.

NatsuSama posted...

Yes.

No.

VipaGTS posted...

Just skimming this topic, "the REAL racist thing is pointing out racism because that is what makes the racists upset and causes them to be more racist and turn into Nazis" has got to be one of the absolute dumbest things i've ever heard anyone say.

Who said that? I must have missed it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/0/AACZqoAACzNY.jpg

Bump

AloneIBreak posted...

I dont know that that justifies knowingly using a term the wrong way, but I suppose at this point it doesnt matter because the term is entrenched.

Look, it upsets me to no end that people use the term "literally" when they mean figuratively. But I've made my peace that some people do that, and I understand what they mean when they say it. Unlike that scenario, with CRT there isn't another word that people have in common usage that refers to these classroom teachings.

I'll grant it's imperfect, but it's functional and it's undeniably caught on to refer to these things. So until an effective alternative comes out, I think it's best to just make peace with the meaning of how people are currently using the term so the nuts and bolts of the discussion can be had.

averagejoel posted...

no. you need evidence from a legitimate source that it's actually happening

If I'm trying to persuade you to cosign the conclusion about prevalence. I'm not though, I have seen enough evidence to persuade myself, and am comfortable with us remaining on similar pages without me doing a big article aggregation effort that you likely aren't going to be particularly open to anyway.

ZMythos posted...

Do you know who that "rando" is in that tweet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo#Anti-critical_race_theory_activism

He's literally one of the people behind organizing the "anti-CRT" movement in the media.

"I don't like Anchovies"
"You only don't like anchovies because of Bob"
"I don't care what some rando says"
"Bob isn't a rando, he's a media figurehead in the anti-anchovy movement"
"Again, I've never heard of Bob, I just don't like Anchovies"

It's that kinda deal. My problems with X are real and calculated independently of political nonsense. I am pro moving towards a more equal and race-divided society, and many in this movement are explicitly against that.

averagejoel posted...

there's certainly a possibility that things like that are happening. I have seen no evidence from any legitimate source that it is actually happening though

So you and I aren't even that far off then, we both agree that teachings like these can be a problem and possibly not something we should be teaching children, we just disagree on the prevalence.

averagejoel posted...

I suggest that you acknowledge:
1. that you don't actually know what kids are being taught in schools
2. that you don't know anything about Kendi's work
there is room for disagreement with what Kendi says! there are ways to critically engage with his work. but you have to actually know what he says on a subject first you shouldn't be dismissing it based on whatever right-wing talking head you get your ideas from.

or if you're not going to do those things, then shut the fuck up

I do know what it says. I've seen interviews from him, and summaries with direct quotes.

averagejoel posted...

you should really stop accepting statements like that at face value

I don't, I hear stories from many sources and have seen official documents released from schools.

Do you think no schools are in the name of Kendi-esque "anti-racism" doing exercises and teaching lessons specifically based around dividing people based on race? Or do you just think such things are good?

Guide posted...

Because, in some cases, like this one, it is weaponized, changed with malicious intent. This is why I make the McCarthyism comparison - One of McCarthy's defining tactics was calling anyone and everything he opposed, for any reason at all, "communism". It's a political scare tactic, not a natural social evolution. We still have repercussions from that bullshit to this day.

I disagree, because "Critical Race Theory" doesn't have a inherent negative connotation like communism did in those days, and thus labeling the classroom teachings which are derived from people like Kendi (who got their ideas from CRT), isn't a "trick" but just an organic term evolution.

If anything Kendi calling his particular ideology "anti-racism" is much more of a bad faith gaslight. Because many will weaponize it and act like opposing Kendi's perspective by definition makes you racist.

"Anti 'Anti-Racist'? By definition that's racist!" As if the contents of Kendi's arguments are irrelevant to that calculations.

It's the same logic as the "you can't vote against the PATROIT ACT, what are you, not a patriot?"

People calling this stuff CRT IMO is just because we literally don't have another word for it. But again, what should we call it instead? I'm open to a different term. But the whole "calling it CRT is wrong" only works if there is something else effective we can call it, otherwise the criticism is basically pointless because we need words for ideas to discuss ideas. As of right now, the word for the racially divisive stuff being taught in classrooms is generally "CRT or Critical Race Theory".

AloneIBreak posted...

I dont know why people are giving you shit about this. If you pay any attention to the look how not woke I am people, this is exactly how they use the term. They may or may not have an inkling of what critical race theory actually is, but Kendi and DiAngelo are exactly who they have in mind, not Kimberle Crenshaw. Its amusing to watch progressives and conservatives go after each other about CRT because they have entirely different ideas of what the term means.

It's a weird part of the argument. Because people will get upset because you use that term, but have no suggestions what alternative term you should use.

Intro2Logic posted...

That is largely because of the efforts of this guy leading a propaganda campaign against it, which you have bought into.

I have no idea who that guy is, and I don't care.

I care about the actual things that are taught that presumably that guy has nothing to do with. I care about things that try to stoke racial division rather than heal it.

Some republican is trying to weaponize something the left is doing that is shitty? Ok, who cares?

"You can't dislike a bad thing Political Party 1 does because that plays into the hand of Political party 2."

Firstly, bad logic, and secondly, it doesn't work, because in this very topic I called out this dumb republican book banning policy. I will call out anything that I think is dumb or bad for the country, regardless of which political consultants that gives a boner to, that kind of political tribalism is something I absolutely don't care about.

Which team feels they are getting "political points" is irrelevant to my calculations and opinions on the nature of right/wrong and good/bad policy.