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Doom_Art posted...

This is literally untrue

There was a 2 day window of PA (and maybe MI?) polls after Nevada showing he was the only one beating Trump. Would you like to see those polls.

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It's beautiful.

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Taharqa_ posted...

I'm a progressive, but I'm also a realist. I like Bernie but lets be fucking real, he would not win in the general, he can't even win the Democratic primary and hasn't expanded his base from the last time he ran.

You're not a realist, you're a pundit. All of the polling data showed Bernie beating Trump and by wider margins than any of the others after Nevada. Heck he was the only one beating Trump in key states for that window. Then every institution that only loyal dem primary voters hold sacred bowed down to Biden. A soup can would've won with that type of sugar high. It's why they persisted with the primaries during a pandemic and declared state of emergencies the next day. As proof, not even a month later those same Biden voters are dreaming about replacing him with Cuomo. These are media creations for pundit brain voters.

Radical change has been the easier rhetorical path to victory. You're same type of guy that would say radical change campaigns like Trump, Bernie, and Obama have NO CHANCE. We need safe electable types like Gore, Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.

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I played defensive end in high school

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s0nicfan posted...

And when people talk about his leads in the early States, why don't they ever mention that in the first two he was effectively tied with mayor Pete. You can clearly make the case that even as early as the first primary there was a strong desire among the electorate for someone more moderate than Bernie, to the point that they were willing to vote for a mayor that never had any real chance at winning over Bernie. Biden filling that spot when mayor Pete fell off is more likely to be simple case of people not wanting Bernie's policies than it is some sort of conspiracy to shift dumb voters around to try and cheat Bernie out of a win.

Pete was another media darling that went all in on Iowa and rode the bump. Moderate means nothing, voters don't vote ideologically and there are great 538 articles on this I can link you to. There is a lot of polling data after Nevada showing Bernie beat each primary opponent 1 vs 1 nationally. To this day Bernie's policies have won every exit poll in every state so the idea that people just wanted more moderate policy isn't supported.

This isn't 5d chess conspiracy, spend any time in the data and you'll see it's just dem primary voters behaving the same way they have for most of the last 20+ years. It's majority elderly voters voting strategically based on who the media tells them other people will like in the general. John Kerry is another great example of this. We have to beat Bush and he's the only one who can because Republicans won't smear a vet (they did)

And I do mean elderly, Bernie was even winning the 50-59 year old vote is several states he lost. Trump energized the elders that usually only vote in generals to vote in the primary this time around. Youth voting was up but not as much as 65+ was. So why don't more young people vote in primaries? Well that's a long one but it ranges from voter suppression to generational cynicism to straight up youth ignorance about elections that aren't the presidential general.

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Biden's support is elderly people that only care about beating Trump. Media constantly pushed him as the safest candidate to do so. The age demo of this media = Biden's base. This demo is disproportionately highly represented in dem primary compared to the general.

When Bernie was winning the popular vote in the first 3 states and drawing huge crowds, instead of rallying around him, Tom Perez chose to concern troll about taking private insurance away from unions, mischaracterizing Cuba comments, etc. The media compared Bernie winning to Hitler winning.

Instead establishment leadership rallied hard and cleared the field for Biden. Winning SC with the Clyburn assist after he had lost all polling ground was all that mattered. Biden was not compared to Hitler after his wins and instead was crowned by the media.

Neolibs can correctly point out that diversity in superhero movies is important because of the power media has over society. But when it comes to media reinforcing corporate boot licking culture and heavily biased political coverage for that type of candidate? No no noooo media has no influence over people the voters did it all on their own.

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AtelierRyza462X posted...

I still work to make money.

Beats praying for socialism.

We have a mixed economy. Working to make money is the socialism part. Owning stuff to make money is the capitalism part.

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REMerc is also orlando jordan right?

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Oh fat shaming is cool huh

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Idk care to tell the class why you're using the implied gaping size of some dude's anus as an insult?

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ReiRei89 posted...

It's not Pelosi's fault the GOP shit out a horrible bill. The House has put forward a much better bill. Perhaps you should stop being a moronic Redcap and look it up.

Republicans are expected to be the bad guys. We don't need to counter them with the type of evil that wants to means test aid away from poor people during a dangerous pandemic. Perhaps you should stop slurping rich people and look into how every modern nation is handling this. (hint: it doesn't include taking aid from people that need it most because of a fetish for paper jams)

Also nice homophobic sig. Can we stop pandering to the upper middle class so I don't have to share a party with trash like this?

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Pelosi would rather see us collapse than give the average American cash. I guess I'm going into work with a fever now. I really hope it makes its way to you old hag.

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Steve Nick posted...

so what you're saying is that people without jobs want Bernie

Young people work for a living. Old voters are retired NEETs with no job and nothing to do but go vote.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

obama allegedly called pete and reid allegedly called amy. i still haven't seen anything to prove that true. fuck the both of them for putting their thumbs on the scale if it is true, but even so, that's beside the point.

where the fuck was bernie's revolution yesterday? where was the exploding youth turnout? where was the working class he was supposed to mobilize? apparently bernie's revolution isnt even formidable enough to beat a septugenarian known for awkward gaffes and forgetting where he even is half the time. if bernie doesn't have enough support to beat biden, how could he possibly have enough support to beat trump, who has half the country behind him?

Standing in line for 8 hours to vote only to be turned away. Why are the lines that long at colleges if no one showed up? Voter suppression is fine when the democrats do it I guess.

My girlfriend is a registered independent and was politically inactive her whole life. She wanted to vote bernie but after a month of run around to unsuccessfully change her registration to be able to vote, she ran out of time.

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Point is it obviously ain't something Biden was doing well. They could have played king maker to any of these candidates because of how boomers vote.

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Biden was coming in 4th, assaulting reporters, kissing his granddaughter on the lips, and answering every question by telling others to go vote for someone else.

Now he gets obama pulling strings for him and is suddenly an excellent candidate. Boomers just wanted signalling from the establishment on who to vote for and they finally got it. 5 hour lines and unlawfully telling voters to leave around college towns isn't good either.

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Everyone is going to get this aren't they.

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Youth turnout was up in iowa and nevada, slightly down or the same in nh. There are no young people in sc but new voters are up. You can make claims about primary turnout with at least some level of confidence after tuesday. We do know that the youth that is participating has been crucial to bernie winning all 3 primaries. Youth parcipating in the process at a much higher rate than older voters is also how he's out raising the field in funding and volunteers.

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universal like yolo

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The eyes

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Doesn't he already have the quarantine box for parades

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Chun always

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shockthemonkey posted...

Bro fuck worrying about your tone, start worrying about knowing what the fuck youre talking about before shittalking.

He's for option first and I'm angered by why. I had his position correct. The topic title I know and can prove soon enough. Start worrying about policy as much as you worry about defending his honor. it's getting creepy.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Im someone who has had conversations with him about this before instead of just reading topic titles and holding grudges.

And I agree with you on healthcare. You dont have to argue with me. You can just stop acting like a caricature.

I had a student's primary guardian die from rationing meds years ago. All I see is red when a comfortable person says we can't do what every other country is doing to prevent this too quickly. There are no good reasons to not take swifter action, only ignorant or self serving ones. I can only deal with the former. I struggle to tone police myself on this.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Lol he did read me good for having 4000 topics tho . Yikes

Likely many more not recorded! Impressive

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shockthemonkey posted...

CF has been pretty damn clear for years that he believes in a pragmatic system to get to universal coverage.

Maybe try listening to him instead of going off a topic title that you think you remember?

you his keeper?

It's not pragmatic to change things has a long history of being weaponized against the oppressed. I see no reason to start low other than to prolong positions of power in industry.

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An option. There it is again. The largest nurses union has endorsed med4all. I'd assume they'd know if it'd be bad for them.

The page button and year tag isn't working atm.. and you've made almost 4,000 topics. You escape for now lol

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It was titled something along the lines of "hmm I'm not sure if I even want a universal healthcare system." Again your position in the private non profit explains a lot.

I will dig for it if it's still not ringing a bell.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

I treat politics the same as casually rooting for a sports team. I'm a spectator of a horse race, why are you taking this silly game so seriously?

You are doing the exact thing you are pretending to preach against get off your soap box you hypocrite.

If I was rooting for a sports team I wouldnt be supporting Sanders if he won the nomination.

And how fucking dare you imply I just casually sit back. I work for a fucking non-profit that one of our goals is about increasing pediatric access to healthcare. I have previously worked as a teacher and continuously volunteer my time to children of low-income families.

you are so fucking toxic and warped that you continuously try to put me in nice little boxes because you find it too hard to think of people as complex. I pity you.

And I'm a black elementary teacher at a poor black school in the south. Spare me. The fact that you make topics against medicare for all and questioning if you even want universal healthcare programs proves you care more about your position in that nonprofit than actually helping these kids. That explains a lot.

Teacher unions are supporting Bernie because, as educators, we see the struggles these kids go through. You support a candidate actively hostile to modern universal heathcare that would help these kids because you can't get over being dunked on by bernie bros in 2015. Pathetic.

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Professional Managerial Class.

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You're so toxic. Why are you so angry and passionate about having healthcare and not seeing your family die from drug price gouging.

Can't you be civil with me as I explain to you that I have a vague gut feeling that we shouldn't push for first world heathcare? I treat politics the same as casually rooting for a sports team. I'm a spectator of a horse race, why are you taking this silly game so seriously?

This is pmc pushback 101 and why a candidate with Pete's rhetoric is stuck with wealthier white voters.

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Many politicians are, he's just especially bad at hiding it. If you think Warren and Pete's bases overlap for policy reasons then you've got some homework. They appeal with tone and resume to casual observer pmcs. Go to the dem general topic and watch Covyx state this as a reason he's drawn to them and hates Bernie. It's the reason you have some gut feeling that they can get things done. He's a failed mayor in his 30s ffs.

I was defending Warren when you hated her last year, but now that the anyone-but-bernie options have shrunk, you've turned into a supporter. Shows the depth of your analysis. All of the electability data will be flipped upside down when Trump calls Bernie a socialist for the 1000th time. Wishful thinking.

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K181 posted...

I don't get how someone could be torn between probably the second most moderate candidate in the field and the second most liberal candidate in the field.

Their bases overlap a decent bit because of all the low info pmc voter signaling.

Bernie has absorbed 2 elections worth of attacks from every major news outlet and has emerged with the largest, most diverse and engaged coalition.

Warren on the other hand can't even poll above viability without constant puff pieces and media love. Her campaign knows it and has cried about being erased. Imagine what'll happen when she has to face an actual attack beyond stale pocahontas memes and snake emojis.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Obama hasnt spoken out against anyone using him in their ads, its not just Bloomberg.

Who else has made it look like they received his endorsement besides Biden saying they were pals that got stuff done.

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Obama out there having no problem with Bloomberg running ads making it look like he got his endorsement tells you all you need to know about him.

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creating vaccines is the easy part. Waiting years to get them approved on rats is the hard part.

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ToPoPO posted...

https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/1229030727364366337

Totally posted like that other person for no reason

Nahhh nahh didn't you see? That was.. just a prank of his or something he says.

He was also able to prove he had nothing to do with Lis by logging into an email that she isn't publicly linked to and emailing pictures to business insider. Couple with the fact that Pete has always been a popular figure in Nigeria and you've been thoroughly proven wrong yet again bernie bros.

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KILBOTz posted...

There isnt a one sized fits all answer. Some nations nationalized certain natural resources and invested that. Quite a few of the EU countries arent able to easily provide, the PIGS nations say hi.

They also havent tried to maintained US hegemony, in many cases US carrying their tab for defense.

Also I believe we are carrying a higher burden of debt than any nation did when they incorporated their vast social safety nets. If the US debt balloons, remaining the world reserve currency could be difficult, which to the decision makers may be a higher priority than safety nets.

But I dont care about any of that, my stance is simply from living in Seattle and seeing American socialism in action and I say no thanks. Give a socialist an inch, theyll take all your money.

baby's first PragerU video in forum post format.

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None of his ground game will be voting for him. An interesting quirk.

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KILBOTz posted...

Id rather go third party than vote for Sanders.

Mmmm the rare tears of a psychopath.

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why not

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I heard it annoyingly beeps at you when your hands aren't on the wheel and article said it was the trucks fault and likely was unavoidable by the car. If the truck had a robot driver it wouldn't have happened.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

why is sanders underperforming his polls?

He isn't. Iowa first alignment was about right. Then after all the press pete got for "winning" Iowa, NH became a close race in many polls. There was some ridiculous number of people that decided the day of the election too.

These states are terrible for bernie this time around with the coalition he's built. If he continues to "underperform" in states that don't skew older whiter richer then I'd be concerned.

I guess you could argue that failing to overperform is underperforming for bernie.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

That was before airbags, OBD, crumple zones, TPS sensors, emissions standards, and probably even seatbelts.

and base model AC

cmiller4642 posted...

Oh boy Mustangs how cool

lol

Every middle school Jimmy just had to have one back then. Got it on their weekly allowance for bringing the newspaper and milk in.

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Bestoffuture posted...

I'm all for raising the min. wage, but this seems excessively high. <_<

boomers had a sports car culture when they were in high school. Literally bought mustangs off their part time jobs back in 10th grade. We need 1,000 an hour to touch that buying power.

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Muflaggin posted...

Bigger idiot then I thought then.

than*

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I thought Bernie didn't care about identity politics

idk how you could think that. His entire deal is about working class identity. The 99% etc.

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Bernie said his vp will be a youngish woman of color that is a firebrand for progressive politics. I think it was a tyt interview a year ago.

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Klob would get a better bump than that if she had claimed Iowa victory with 0% of the vote in. We're seeing Pete's name recognition bump top out with only 4% in 1 poll.

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