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Eh, I mean, I don't disagree that playing the game first hand gives you the best impression, in particular if you don't know what happens. But if you can watch 95% of the game and it doesn't seem good to you, then I'm sure you wouldn't like it regardless, so "absolutely worthless" sounds like a stretch to me.

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BlackDra90n posted...

Can someone explain to me the issue with deadnaming in the context of this game? Wasn't the whole catalyst of Lev's story that the Scars didn't accept him so he had to run away? In that context, why would the people trying to kill him bother with calling him Lev? Plus, he pretty much left immediately so there's a good chance they didn't even know of his new name.

The issue is mostly that transgendered people have close to no represenation in video games, in particular triple a games this one. What they want is basically to be treated just like everyone else more than anything. This game has the best intentions about it I do not doubt, but Lev's story is an extreme story of trans people not being accepted where they come from, and that's not the representation you want at this point in time. It's a shame it has to be that way, but it is.

pezzicle posted...

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I just want to clarify that my previous post wasn't directed at you. I disagree with you on a bunch of things about the game, but that fortunately doesn't have to be personal.

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Kerrigan

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I know we've heard it before, but I do believe that lockdown has closed enough of all his side projects for him to actually made solid for a change. I do believe it's not far away. It's the seventh book you should worry about if anything.

kevwaffles posted...

I stopped watching after the fifth season was as bad as it was and it was still well within book material.

Well within book material is a huge stretch.

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Championship match:

2) Lucas
5) Pac-Man
3) Mega Man
4) Luigi
1) Pokemon Trainer

Runner-up match 1:

4) Mewtwo
2) Samus Aran
1) Wolf ODonnell
3) R.O.B.

Runner-up match 2:

2) Pit
1) Captain Falcon
3) Roy
4) Jigglypuff
5) Young Link

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I'm happy that a bunch of people are enjoying the game, but some of you are coming off almost ignorant of why someone could not like the game.

First of all, the game doing what it wants to do is not and never has been the same as that the game is good. That they can make you hate Abby at first and then symphasize with her later on does not mean they wrote a good story in itself. The reason I did not like Abby much was never because of her killing Joel, she just simply gave me little reason to like her. Did I feel sorry for her? Sure, she lost almost everyone doing the story, but her life being utterly terrible does make her interesting at all. It does not help that we knew exactly where her story was going throughout her part of the game and we knew the fate of basically all the people she lost before she did. Also, at almost no point of the game did I share the character's motivations.

Stating that people just didn't get what they wanted basically sounds like you don't care to listen to the complaints. People that didn't enjoy the story wish that they did enjoy the story and are thinking of what could have made them. That does not mean they're just being whiny it wasn't what they wanted to get. I'm sure most people had nothing in particular in mind.

I felt sorry for both Ellie or Abby, but did not really care for either, because they weren't particularly likeable. Ellie has the advantage of having a previous game that made her super likeable, but most of the game I did not enjoy her this time. To the people somehow not managing to understand why people can have played the game and liked Ellie more than Abby, the first game is exactly why. You already knew and liked her going into the game and people will often take the side of whoeever they care for in a conflict, particularly when there are cases to be made for both sides. I'm not saying I liked Ellie more, just that it should be understandable. A lot of the time it seems like we should like Abby because she wasn't an awful human being after all, but I don't like her simply for not being that. That does not make you a good character.

The game managed to tell what it wanted to tell, but incredibly impressive cimnematic narrative by gaming standards does not mean it's necesarrily good and I did not find it to be. It was very simple, very dragged out and managed to feature a lot of characters who felt flat and had little to no developement. There are great bits in there, but on the overall scale I was never invested. Making you understand the motivation of something that initially seemed as wrong as it gets is hardly that impressive. Countless fictional stories have made you like someone that did something awful with a lot less reason for the awful act than this game had. I was simply not impressed by a story about understanding at any point. It was obvious form the start that Abby didn't kill Joel for no good reason whatsoever, so it wasn't surprising either.

It's not like story and characters were my only issues either. Other than the mentioned pacing issues, the gameplay wasn't fantastic either. I straight up did not enjoy melee combat and I believe a AAA game of 2020 can do better than having a punch and a dodge button which always dodges the same time of attack. Punching infected in the face when a bite form them can infect you seems ridiculously risky. It frustrates me how we fight clickers a lot of the time in cutscenes only for them to kill you the instant they touch you a little bit otherwise, although Abby having shivs helps. It was demotivating to me when beginning Abby's story that I had to upgrade her stuff again when I already upgraded myself and my weapons a lot. Abby learns different things and finds different weapons, but you still had to go for a lot of the same things twice which is annoying in one playthrough. Also, enemies hiding is BS, sometimes you can clearly see there whol head and shoot directly at it without anything happening. Another thing a AAA game of 2020 can do better than. Finally, deadnaming is a problem even if it doesn't bother you personally.

It sounds like I dislike the game a lot from this post. I don't. It was enjoyable most of the time, I just don't think it's that great and it annoys me just as much when people complains about others dislikng a game that knew it took risks as it does when people hate it based on a few lines they read. Some of the posts in here straight up makes it sound like it's wrong to not enjoy the game.

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Ganondorf
Wario
Ganondorf/Banjo-Kazooie winner

Dr. Mario
Shulk

Championship match: Captain Olimar
Third place match: Jigglypuff

Mii Swordfighters (P3/P4 Protagonists)
Meta Knight/King Dedede
Villager/Isabelle
Rosalina & Luma/Banjo-Kazooie
Link/Cloud Strife

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Zelda

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Boot: Persona 5
Boot: Celeste

Immune: Super Mario Galaxy 2
Immune: The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

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Abby's being defended a lot, but it's not too important for me if the game manages to make me symphasize with her or not. Although her actions are being defended a bit too much here, just because we see her perspective later on and understand her struggles doesn't mean there was even a 0.01% chance of her not killing Joel then.

I don't think it's impressive they pull this off. We're seeing two miserable characters losing everyone they care about because of each other, yeah, that's terrible. This is hardly the first thing that has pulled something off like this and I don't find it interesting. In the end I feel bad for both characters sure, but without finding any of them likeable.

I think the game made me want to get revenge and regret my decisions, similar to how the first game wanted me to want to kill fireflies and feel bad about it at the same time. Because there wasn't a part of me that wanted to kill anyone for the sake of it, it doesn't really work for me. I can see why it works for some, maybe in some alternative universe it would have worked for me too, but even so I don't think its a very interesting premise.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

In this game, Ellie's revenge tale would be completely worthless without the perspective from the other side.

While this is true, I don't think the game ever had a good story to tell to begin with, and it's a problem that nothing from this story had me particularly hooked.

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Yeah, I sympathize with Abby, but should I feel bad personally? I ran around that room trying to pick up Ellie without killing the doctor because I did not enjoy doing what I was forced to do then.

Symphasizing and liking are just two different things.

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I don't think explaining Abby's actions makes any difference. Again, the motives having reason was never in doubt and understanding and sympathizing with her does not mean you'll enjoy a playthrough with her.

This was always a make or break plotline, if that makes sense. The game would be controversial even without the leaks. FFVIIR showed people are capable of changing their view, if that wasn't obvious already. There's a lot of fans out there believing that the misleading leaks and slem SJW agenda is why people disliked the game, but that's forgetting to consider the chances this game took with their fans. Didn't ND themelves say at one point that some fans of the first game would dislike this? It shouldn't surprise anyone.

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XIII_rocks posted...

I completely sympathised with Abby

Joel killed her father, who was armed with literally a scalpel vs an assault rifle, and who was working on a cure. What Joel did was uh...pretty damn bad even when you take out the guy he tortured to find out where Ellie was, the couple of dozen Fireflies he killed to get there, and then killing Marlene on the way out and lying to Ellie about it. And it was, you know, her dad.

I guess I just don't get how Ellie's thirst for revenge is justified and sympathetic, but Abby's somehow isn't.

The problem is that I did not enjoy playing through the hospital in the first game. I liked the ending, but I felt like I was going against my own belief then. Joel actually did it to save someone he cared for though, this game is basically about getting revenge.

I felt from the instant Ellie headed out that there was probably a good reason for Abby to act like she did and that I did not want to take revenge. Sympathizing with Abby does not mean she was very interesting character. The game wanted to show me the consequences of acting and a chain of violence but at no point during the game did I feel like that's what I wanted to do personally, so yeah I got the obvious point but could never truly relate.

It's completely true that judging a game from the leaks is wrong, because such leaks are misleading. But it's undermining people to think that they can not judge whether or not they'll like the game based on everything we knew about it before it came out. The continuation is obviously quite controversial. This plot was never going to be for everyone.

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I've tried to be as neutral and objective as possible playing through the game. I love Naughty Dog and I've tried to give the chance.

And I honestly think presentation and performance only carries you so far. I don't think the game had a very interesting story to tell. I suppose it's a natural follow up to the events of the first game, but that doesn't make it good.

I'm enjoying playing through the game, because of gameplay mostly, but it's a problem when the flashback scenes are by far the best ones.

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GROUP 8
5-- Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
0-- Bloodborne

0-- Sonic Mania
5-- Sid Meier's Civilization V

GROUP 9
3-- DOOM
2-- South Park: The Stick of Truth

0-- Rayman Legends
5-- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

GROUP 10
5-- The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
0-- Bastion

0-- Marvel's Spider-Man
5-- Super Mario Galaxy 2

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I agree that they shouldnt let an AT stop them from adding a character, but I think the fact that an AT exists indicates that they have no intention of adding the character.
If Sakurai had any desire/expectation for adding Akira or whoever as a playable character I dont think he would make them an AT in the first place.

Yeah, but originally Sakurai did not intend for a second fighters pass and I believe that changes things. Like, he could have intended for someone to only be an AT originally because he did not believe he'd be adding six more characters.

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But seriously though, what is Hey! Pikmin doing here

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Yeah, it's not like pacing and characterizations are constant issues either.

Edit: Yeah, SEP is spot on there. I guess we'll see how people will look at it in a few years, but it's a huge shame what happened.

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Out of curiosity, is this your own top 10?

Because I feel like it's a weird list for a general 10.

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I honestly feel like the game has also gotten more "omg BGE" than it would if those leaks had not happened. I mean obviously the damage is bigger, but this is my impression. A lot of places also had the wrong idea about why the game was initially disliked, which hasn't helped, but that's a whole different talk.

I think the game has some pretty glaring flaws in pacing, story and character development, but I'm enjoying it still, primarily because of the gameplay which I find near perfect (except for melee combat, that has some flaws) and the presentation. Presentation isn't everything, but this is very strong, most scenes are powerful. I've seen a few ocassions where the developers defended criticism by stating that they intended what they did, but just because something was intended, it does not necessarily make it flawless.

I still haven't played all of it, I only know what happens. But with everything so far I think it's safe to say that this will not reach the heights of the first game for me, but that was always a high bar!

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Well, Just Dance had stopped coming to Wii U but not Wii

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Thanks! You too! I agree they compliment each other well, it's rarely the same read twice. I like having different perspectives of things too, a lot of the time there is no right answer.

Ha, yeah, I get that. I did not do one last character battle because I didn't feel like it'd have the time to do it properly, but I skipped Years because of lack of interest lol.

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GROUP 5
5-- Xenoblade Chronicles
0-- Ori and the Blind Forest

5-- Mass Effect 2
0-- NieR: Automata

GROUP 6
5-- Super Mario Maker 2
0-- The Witcher 3

0-- Shovel Knight
5-- Super Mario Odyssey

GROUP 7
3-- Resident Evil 2
2-- Dark Souls

0-- Persona 5
5-- Super Mario 3D World

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The real worst change is obviously that finding alcohol makes a much less satisfying sound than it did in the first game.

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Day 2 was a lot better than day 1, which dragged on for too long imo.

I enjoyed the flashbacks, but the pacing was off in the first one. I don't think I prefer storytelling through flashbacks, but the chemistry between the characters are better in those than present, so that's something.

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Vastly improved feels like a stretch, but it's improved alright.

And yes, it's similar enough to the first that I can't imagine you don't either enjoy bother or none of them.

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GROUP 2
0-- Night in the Woods
5-- Batman: Arkham City

5-- God of War
0-- Donkey Kong Country Returns

GROUP 3
5-- Portal 2
0-- Mario Kart 8

5-- Pokemon HG/SS
0-- Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age

GROUP 4
0-- Horizon Zero Dawn
5-- Hollow Knight

0-- Cuphead
5-- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

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Tifa

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Banjo-Kazooie
Mii Swordfighter (Zero)
Bowser
Ridley

Villager
Wolf ODonnell
Shulk

Captain Olimar
Isabelle

Rosalina & Luma/Banjo-Kazooie
Link/Cloud Strife
Pikachu/Pichu
Corrin/Robin
Bowser/Bowser Jr.

4) Jigglypuff
3) Falco Lombardi
2) Kirby
1) Lucas

3) Roy
4) Young Link
1) Pac-Man
2= R.O.B.

4) Pit
1) Captain Olimar
2) Mega Man
3) Chrom

1) Isabelle
2) Luigi
3) Samus Aran
4) Bowser Jr.

4) Mewtwo
2) Pokemon Trainer
1) Captain Falcon
3) Wolf ODonnell

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Zigzagoon posted...

8 Gen 1s and 2 non lmao

Well like it or not, considering that they're trying to sell this to a slightly different audience this makes a lot of sense.

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I don't mind even if it's not for me.

I just don't get why it needed its own presentation when there was another one a week away.

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I wonder why they didn't just combine the presentation from this week with the one from the previous week.

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I spent more time than I hoped pressing f5 to get that combination.

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GROUP 9
0-- DOOM
5-- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

5-- Rayman Legends
0-- South Park: The Stick of Truth

GROUP 10
0-- The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
5-- Super Mario Galaxy 2

3-- Marvel's Spider-Man
2-- Bastion

GROUP 1
5-- Celeste
0-- Crypt of the Necrodancer

0-- Nier
5-- The Last of Us

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JackMan posted...

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever made *narrative spoilers* (if that's a thing?)

https://twitter.com/TheHeroJackMan/status/1275529796936781826

omfg this is hillarious

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I decided early on I was going to just explore everywhere, then cut my losses and use a guide. The Korok Mask isn't good enough to help anyway, unless I was using it the whole time.

You had the right idea!

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Yeah, from the sound of the reviews I had an idea gameplay was evolved more than it is. It's almost exactly the same.

Which I don't mind at all, I enjoy it, but it's not fantastic.

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Thanks, mate! It has been fixed.

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Super Mario RPG

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Breath of the Wild

azuarc

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I gave up at 895 without Korok mask before consulting a guide in my insanity.

It's a very proud and very waste-of-time achievement for me simultaneously.

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Perfect Dark being removed is criminal

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Missed this, but tuning in for Sega / Atlus

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Twinsanity is underrated

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GotD1

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GROUP 6
0-- Super Mario Maker 2
5-- Super Mario Odyssey

5-- Shovel Knight
0-- The Witcher 3

GROUP 7
0-- Resident Evil 2
5-- Super Mario 3D World

0-- Persona 5
5-- Dark Souls

GROUP 8
5-- Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
0-- Sid Meier's Civilization V

3-- Sonic Mania
2-- Bloodborne

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I didn't have much of a problem with her. Ifrit wrecks her if you summon him.

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KamikazePotato posted...

wow, what an Hypocrite, coming from a land who was responsible for creating feminism through their Hentai industry indirectly

This stuff is priceless.

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It was already known, yes.

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