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WingsOfGood posted...

Giving a timeline that is accurate is spinning it?

Maybe the timeline convinces you then? Think that over.

your weird reaction to my post was obv trying to claim that this is 100% a murder which is an ignorant take at this point. you can say it's suspicious, but you haven't presented any evidence of murder

Karovorak posted...

Here, everything you need to know is right there:

If you put the integrity of planes, and there literally the lives of your customers, above stock value, you are the asshole.

I know, people have killed themselves for less, but...

Why during the whistleblower process? Taking it with you into your grave, okay, and letting it all out before you die to make some amments, also somewhat understandable.

But not in between.

Yeah, I go full on conspiracy on this.

it's a suspicious death and should be investigated as such but suicide is usually a highly irrational action and people that commit suicide are generally not in a normal state of mind

WingsOfGood posted...

Why does it bother you so much you make multiple posts about it?

That is very strange. Almost like you really want it to be suicide?

Timeline:
1. People die on Boeing planes.
2. Boeing just gets a slap on the wrist.
3. Justice Department is like "huh. maybe there is something more here."
4. John Barnett begins HIGHLY detailing exactly what was happening at Boeing and discussing issues his team documented like oxygen masks not working
5. Justice Department calls him to testify.
6. John Barnett is dead.

i made one post and you weirdly tried to spin the narrative that it is 100% a murder despite there not being evidence of that. it's a suspicious death which means either the police will investigate or the internet and citizens will so blindly claiming 'this is a murder' is how we get insane conspiracy theories. if it turns out to be a murder we will hear actual evidence

israel isn't even a top 5 reason why biden could potentially lose.

if biden loses the flippers will say "muh economy" or bitch about inflation. domestic affairs are always much more important to american voters than global affairs and if biden actually loses it will be the fault of the brain dead morons who voted for trump or stayed home because they weren't 'inspired'

WingsOfGood posted...

I don't believe you.

Read this part:

So 157 people died.
Then 189 people DIED.

THEN John Barnett began talking about all this how Boeing literally asked people like him to BREAK THE FUCKING LAW and not properly quality inspect.

Think about that for awhile.

if there is evidence of murder i will believe it was murder but so far there doesn't seem to be. people kill themselves, and people being harassed by a multi billion dollar company are more likely to be in a bad state of mind.

it could be murder but just stating 'he was murdered' doesn't mean anything.

we aren't actually the world police but we do meddle a lot. we are the only superpower and use different incentives to enforce our will on different countries. sometimes it is morally good but often the outcome isn't good for anyone at all.

fortunately for us the western nations are basically in lock step with us and we have inroads most other places. this can allow us to be immoral at times and bully weaker nations to do things against their longterm self interest.

using our status to help ukraine has been undeniably good, but of course the cancer in our country (gop) wants to shit all over that

McMarbles posted...

The whole it definitely had to be murder falls apart if you actually think about it.
Good thing conspiracy theorists never think!

who said it is definitely murder? it seems like it could possibly be a murder, could also be a suicide.

WingsOfGood posted...

comments like this are why articles like this are good

i read the entire text posted in the op. sometimes people commit suicide and the people around them refuse to accept it. i am not saying that's what happened here, this does seem suspicious, but it can't be discounted out of hand

VFrench1933 posted...

I'll answer for you, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

He just got done losing in 2020 to Joe Biden...why would I be worried or care about him in 2024 against Joe Biden.

that is not the definition of insanity lmfao learn what words mean

sometimes it's actually just suicide but it should be investigated thoroughly for sure. multi national weapons/aircraft companies are notoriously heavy handed and evil at times and this guy could have cost them billions in stock prices

cjsdowg posted...

Nope my argument is people who want horrible things vote republican and Republicans give them those horrible things.

People who don't want horrible things vote democrat and Democrats still give us horrible things.

no one will give you 100% of what you want. democrats are infinitely better than republicans in every way and actually do good things

very few people under 30 get lucky enough to become billionaires without inheritance. idk if the notable ones of the past like gates were even under 30. zuckerberg is the only one that comes to mind for me right now and he is obv over 30 now

fenris spent years trying to deny that the ccp was engaging in the very open genocide they are still engaged in. he is the most indoctrinated ccp shill i have ever seen online

Chicken posted...

vote for that guy that changed his name to Literally Anyone Else because thats who we need. The election shouldnt be choose your flavor of dictator.

how exactly is biden a dictator? people are wild and will say anything even if obviously false

no one talks about flau'jae johnson for lsu but she has been their best player all year and was great in the 2nd half tonight to keep lsu in it. clark just had an alltimer tourney performance with 41 and 9/20 from 3 which is just insane

colliding posted...

started out okay but yeah, pretty bad tbqh

this. the first couple episodes were p good but it just got progressively worse. no really likable characters and they took the gloomy tone way too far. also the ending was really dumb

i really liked the first 3 seasons. obv 1 was by far the best, but 2 and 3 were really good to me so i expected to like it but just couldn't

hockeybabe89 posted...

Of course, but Reese is one of the best of the rest and the media is really playing up their rivalry, to the point where they had to ask Reese if she hates Clark.

reese was the best player on lsu last year but she has kinda regressed this year, flau'jae johnson has been their best player this year and she carried them for a good portion of the year

Doe posted...

Okay, but this is a separate argument than whether Trump and Biden follow a consensus of previous presidents on how to handle Israel. It doesn't change any of what I just posted responding to you.

As to the argument in this post, if he was on that razor thin and specific an edge with the voting public, then he would not have gone in direct defiance of Israel's demand to veto the latest UNSC vote for a ceasefire that caused them to make good on their threat to cancel their trip to Washington.

It just sounds like trying hard to believe that the current administration has no choice in the matter of how many arms and how much intel it gives to Israel thanks to a gun to its back held by the American people. But like, get real. The average American doesn't know what an MK84 2,000 pound bomb is and does not have the visibility into the MIC to judge how much the US can be sending to Israel VS how much it is.

obviously biden doesn't have to support israel to the degree he does, but people acting like he is committing a genocide are just ignorant of how global politics works or has ever worked. we have a binary choice between the guy that supports israel to the same degree every president has for 40 years or the guy that publicly wants to blow up gaza, has fomented an insurrection, and is a consensus bottom 3 president of all time who is promising to be worse the second time around. trying to frame bidens foreign policy as especially egregious or outside the norm of all presidents in modern history is purposefully dishonest and reeks of the russian/fat right agenda of spreading apathy.

israel committing war crimes in gaza is not dependent on biden and the alternative is orders of magnitude worse. constant cries about biden ring hollow at this point, especially when the 'criticism' doesn't offer solutions and is always just driveby shitposting

Doe posted...

Previous US presidents have been able to be an ally to Israel while also not giving them a free pass to level the whole of Palestine. Reagan suspended aircraft transfers, aid and military assistance to Israel until they got out of Lebanon, and even told the Israeli PM their actions looked like a holocaust. Previous US presidents have allowed scores of UNSC resolutions against Israel to pass.

The idea that Biden and Trump are in line with a running presidential consensus on how to handle Israel is ahistorical.

reagan was at the very beginning of the 'moral majority' type evangelicals who have given israel much more power in lobbying and generally among american consciousness. there is no comparison to the attitudes of americans in the 80's to now. the fact that even the majority of progressives in the federal government generally support israel should tell you about the current reality.

we don't have to always blindly support israel, and this conflict may be the start of the american public turning against that blind loyalty, but we are still a long way from that and no candidate in '24 that comes out against supporting israel in any public fashion will win a general election.

StateofZen posted...

Z-box

lmao

paul will win because he is 30+ years younger. if tyson was even like 45 he would knock him out, but mid 20's is physical prime and late 50's is a huge disadvantage. if tyson wins he will need a knockout in the first two rounds, otherwise he just won't have the stamina imo

when the fight was announced i assumed tyson would win but the vegas odds have paul as a massive favorite and the money seems to be coming in heavy on tyson. foreman fought a couple years ago around the same age and the physical decline in late 50's is just too much for anyone to overcome against a trained fighter in prime shape

Hornezz posted...

The whole "it's always been this way, therefore it should always stay this way" is a weirdly conservative argument against progressive change that doesn't hold any real value at all. I'm sure people were saying the same about women's voting rights or during the Civil Rights era. It was a worthless argument then, it's a worthless argument now. Just a circular reasoning to defend the status quo for the sake of it.

Besides, there actually is precedent in US history for sanctioning Israel. Both Reagan and Bush Sr. did it. Hell, Canada has traditionally stood by the USA's side on Israel but they suspended arms sales anyway a few weeks ago.

Repeating it doesn't make it true. It's bizarre how comfortably you are just gaslighting ITT.

From the Gallup poll published this week:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9e566719.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e75c8b48.png

You made this claim:
"if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on"

That is a direct quote. You have not proven this whatsoever. Because it's a lie.

You posted a crappy right-wing propaganda poll and instead of acknowledging that, you're doubling down and throwing out petty insults.

How are you making the world a better place by deliberately spreading misinformation on the internet to defend your favorite politician and his complicity in war crimes?

stating a political reality isn't conservatism, it's common sense. you have done nothing but attack the guy who is preventing the us from falling to a fascist buffoon. you have offered zero alternatives, just mindless complaining and throwing emotional accusations without any substance.

you started out by accusing me of cherrypicking while being the one that is literally cherrpicking polls that don't support the position you are framing.

supporting Israel =/= supporting every action they take in gaza. biden has called them out for war crimes while still broadly supporting israel. if your strategy is to attack any polls you don't like as 'fake news' like the trumpers you are signal boosting then there really isn't any meaningful difference between you and the insurrection crowd. linking to a student newspaper isn't a compelling takedown of a poll fyi

i am not the one trying to convince people on the internet to not vote against the worst modern president who is promising to be much worse if reelected. you are indistinguishable from the russian shills or right wing concern trolls who try to convince people to stay home when the democrat isn't 100% good all the time. it's predictable and transparent and pathetic

Hornezz posted...

I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt but I'll state my point more clearly this time: what you posted was blatant misinformation.

The Harvard/Harris poll is a right wing propaganda tool, spearheaded by a Trumper. The poll is known for its misleading questions and shoddy methodology. Its results are biased, contradictory and often cannot be reproduced by other polls.

Read more about it here: https://www.thecrimson.com/column/forging-harvards-future/article/2024/3/26/bodnick-/

There is no evidence for these claims whatsoever.

Those bombs are being used to kill children by the thousands. If you're going to claim that Biden absolutely has to send more of them in order to prevent a Trump reelection, you better come with iron clad proof. Without it, this is just falsely threatening Trump's fascism in order to shut down protests against the US's complicity in these atrocities.

the polls you linked in response don't even backup your narrative and your perspective reeks of ignorance of the american political process and how americans actually vote and what they support. every single united states president in recent history has supported israel and every single major candidate supported them as recently as the last presidential election. congress widely supports israel on both sides of the aisle and americans (as evidenced by your own provided polls) support israel in huge numbers.

you are trying to prescribe claims i didn't make in a weird appeal to emotion while ignoring the political realities we actually face. all bombs kill children. in a perfect world we would take a neutral stance and make israel fund their own conflicts while using that funding for ukraine, but congress will keep voting overwhelmingly to fund the israelis and no major party will ever nominate a general election candidate that doesn't voice support for israel. i suspect you are one of the overprivledged that doesn't generally vote and tend to make demands on the internet while doing nothing to make the country or world a better place to exist.

Hornezz posted...

The vast majority of opinion poll show that Biden's handling of the conflict is impopular among Dems and Independent voters, and that there's a majority support for pushing for a ceasefire.

The Harvard/Harris poll is clearly the odd one out and its results don't seem to be reproducible by other major pollsters. Yet that's the one that keeps on being quoted on CE. It reeks of manipulative cherry picking.

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[Reuters/Ipsos] 68% of US respondents support a ceasefire:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war

[Pew] 45% of Dems say Israel is going too far in its military operation:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

[AP-NORC] 64% of Dems think US should negotiate a permanent ceasefire:
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad

[NYT/Siena] 75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html

[ISPU] Even among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition:
[Data For Progress] + 61% of Dems, 57% of Independents support US calling for a cease fire:
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/

[YouGov/The Economist] 50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T

[Gallup] 63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions. 75% of Independents disapprove:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx

[AP-NORC] 63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 52% of Independents. 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

[YouGov/The Economist] 77% of Dems support a cease fire, 60% of Independents:
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars

And the most recent one I can find:
[Gallup] Only 18% of Dems still approve of Israel's actions, 29% of Independents:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/world/middleeast/military-action-americans-gaza.html

you accuse me of cherrypicking while disingenuously summarizing what those polls actually show. in the majority of them democrats still support bidens handling of the conflict and still show that most americans support israel over palestine, just with caveats.

most americans absolutely support a ceasefire, but you failed to mention that most americans support it on the conditions that hamas release all hostages or that hamas is permanently taken out.

us support for israel should be conditional and we should be able to strong arm them to behaving humanely like we have strong armed almost every nation for usually less altruistic reasons, but if biden is seen as 'not supporting israel' in an election year it would be much worse for his chances than any other factor.

if biden continues the perpetual us policy of blind support of israel he 'risks' losing young and extremely online people that don't vote or won't vote for him anyway, if he is seen as abandoning israel he risks losing huge swaths of his voting base and independent voters who he has to rely on. it's a shit situation, but we live in a time where a twice impeached insurrectionist could be elected president again in a few months.

ButteryMales posted...

With 44% not supporting the genocide Biden should do the right thing anyways. I think the 44% are more likely to not vote Biden during a genocide than the 56% with no Israel aid.

that's not how the numbers work. this is a general election in which not only registered democrats are voting, and among the not 56% of democrats there aren't anywhere near 44% that are vehemently opposed to backing israel.

it has been shown time and again that a huge supermajority of americans support israel. a president who is up for reelection not doing so would ensure a loss in november.

Trumble posted...

If I were in the US and an election were held where you vote against candidates rather than for them, I'd vote Trump, even if I only got one vote.

But that's not how elections work.

it's absolutely how general presidential elections in the united states work

ButteryMales posted...

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Why would Biden lose votes?

have you seen the polls for support of israel v palestine?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-american-voters-support-israel-in-the-ongoing-war-a-new-harvard-poll-shows/ar-BB1kHRzp

79% of americans support israel in the conflict which is a massive supermajority

the "you have to earn muh vote" crowd was never voting against trump anyway, they are the most overly privileged cretins on earth and literally don't care if the us turns into a christian theocracy

israel is run by far right shitbags, but not supporting them would sadly cost biden way more votes

the entire gop and 'conservative' ideology is fueled by fear and grievance hunting

yeah, people have blocked me. i have never used the block feature on here but the ones that block me tend to be chuds or sports board trolls

she is definitely the villain archetype coach

tuberville wasn't even a good college football coach, really blows my mind they elected him. i could understand saban maybe since he is a legend, but saban is a democrat so prob not in hyper partisan alabama even with his football accolades

voldothegr8 posted...

In this case you're not wrong, but that general statement is very wrong. Exibit A:

https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y?si=ZAZ0k67_m9qaWhx2

that was some local pd, not a federal agency. usually by the time the federal government moves in they have plenty to convict someone

she didn't deserve to be shit on for her weight and she is genuinely talented, but the accusations against her make her look like a shitheel

so i just listened to beyonce-texas holdem and i liked that one, it was much better than her version of jolene

ai123 posted...

I chose Aretha Franklin's version of Respect, because it pretty much gives the song almost the opposite impact of the original. Which Beyonc has also done here.

Whether people like the results or not is a matter of taste. But there's nothing inherently wrong with a 'back off bitch' Jolene.

there is nothing wrong with an artist making a cover their own, the problem is just if it's no good. beyonce has great songs out there but this def isn't one of em imo

this is an example of an amazing cover imo

https://youtu.be/x1ya5YigHok?si=55sxJBHL237nCc_Z

PraetorXyn posted...

I dont have a PS5, so Ill be buying one. Going Pro to Pro seems to be the most sensible thing.

It doesnt seem like there are really enough games worth getting the system for at all until the Pro model is out, especially if you game on PC.

Im only getting a PS5 at all because Vanillaware hates PC and I hate the Switch, so I got the PS5 collectors edition of Unicorn Overlord.

why do you hate the switch? it's legit the best console in 20+ years

ai123 posted...

Not an issue in itself.

Aretha Franklin's version of Respect has a very different energy to the one Otis Redding intended it to have.

and the johnny cash version of hurt is way different than the nin version, but this didn't add anything positive and she didn't make the song her own. it was just bad unlike the other two

yeah i didn't expect it to be terrible and it was really bad. went from 'not too bad' to 'goddamn this is bad' somewhere in the middle

it was wacky and over the top and the people on the show only got like $250 back around '08 or so

zonbei has gotten purgatory before multiple times, they will be back eventually

people that have sexual attachments to videogame characters are weird af, especially if they are adults, but companies are also weird af if they are trying to police away certain representations/body types. the best solution is for game makers to make whatever they want and consumers to buy the products they want. policing the point of creation is just weird and trashy just like the horny gamer archetype

so tc's gimmick is saying they start fights and get beat up? weird gimmick

Kradek posted...

I've never seen such wishful thinking before. That would have never happened.

yeah, definitely not. the extremists in the middle east (and everywhere) are able to recruit heavily based on western militarism and occupation and being able to paint themselves as oppressed by the west. they will still exist obviously, but staying there with our boot on their necks does nothing but help to radicalize more generations of people.

afghanistan was always going to be a bad situation when we left but biden made the right decision. better to rip the bandaid off and start saving billions than staying in an unworkable situation that would have just kicked the can down the road indefinitely

if this is solely used to run off squatters it will be good because squatters are scum, but it's desantis and florida which means it will likely be used to evict legitimate tenants

pop music is generally popular for a reason. obv there is plenty of shit pop music, but much of it is incredibly catchy/good lyrics/amazing singing

taylor swift is really talented and her songs are usually great

rita ora has an incredible voice

any ace attorney games
radiant historia

thanks for letting me know about my hair getting named @Kradek and @unholymudcrab

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