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soulunison2 posted...

damn dude has no evidence and he is in shambles

Oh. I get it now. You're ignoring the face that cable just admitted to misreading the data and you are trolling.

CableZL posted...

The infection rate per test is decreasing, but the rate of new infections found is increasing. Again, during the shutdown, the number of tests increased while the number of new infections found decreased. So it's not really logically to claim the increase in new infections is directly tied to the increase in tests.

The rate of infections is not increasing for Florida. Both links below show the rate lower in May than it was for April.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

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I am not going to come at @CableZL because he has at least been civil during this discussion but you two should probably let the grown-ups discuss this, @CADE_FOSTER and @soulunison2 . I am totally dead based in inaccurate reading of data. If you are not going to actually take the time to review the data, please do not try to contribute to the discussion.

Cable, the daily infections and testing chart below shows the testing increasing at a faster rate than the infections, so the infection rate is decreasing. The daily deaths per 100k chart also shows a steady decrease in death rate.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida


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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Look at the chart for daily new cases.

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CableZL posted...

Apparently you don't know how to read a chart because that's not true at all, according to the data worldometer is showing.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida

Previous highest confirmed new infection number for Florida was 1193 on April 4th. Worldometer shows 1204 new cases yesterday in Florida.

How is that not the highest number of new cases, and how are you reading "several days with higher new infection counts" from that?

That link is not Worldometer. Worldometer does show 1204 cases yesterday, but it shows 1413 on 4/17, 1279 on 4/6, 1277 on 4/4, 1260 on 4/3, and 1235 on 4/2. The link you gave doesn't even go past 5/16 yet.

Even if yesterday was the highest, which it isn't, that doesn't show a trend yet because it is only one day. What really matters is the rate of infections based on the amount of tests done.

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CableZL posted...

According to worldometer, Florida reported their highest new infection count ever yesterday.

No? There are several days with higher new infection counts. If the trend from yesterday continues, it might be meaningful but things had been pretty steady up until yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Infection totals are going to start increasing for every state, though, because more and more people are getting tested.

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CADE FOSTER posted...

They keep pretending we are over the curve we arent yet

According to the NY Times, the curve for confirmed Florida cases peaked in mid-April and has not substantially increased since the state started reopening in early May.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html

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emblem boy posted...

With there being a larger volume of tests being done, more positives are kinda bound to be found. Are there any graphs that kinda plot those differences?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

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They didn't lie about the infection rate, they lied about the death rate.

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I do not know what the big deal here is. Even with the numbers no longer being suppressed, Florida has one of the lowest confirmed infection rates in the country. California, being praised for their response, has an infection rate of 224/100,000 people. Florida has an infection rate of 227/100,000 people. California has nine deaths per 100k people, Florida has 10 deaths per 100k people.

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I would still go a little cheaper on the PSU. There is really no reason to spend that much when a reliable PSU can be had for $60-70.

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Ruvan22 posted...

So do you disagree with the report today predicting that 54K deaths could have been prevented if social distancing had been implemented earlier?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/21/coronavirus-could-bay-areas-early-shelter-in-place-order-have-saved-thousands-of-lives/

It is an interesting theory but it is just that, a theory. For one, the study uses the death rate calculated by using only the confirmed cases as the denominator. That denominator has all but been proven false by several antibody studies, even the most morbid experts agree with that.

More importantly, we have a proven case study for what happens with little to no social distancing measures in place and that is Sweden. As shown earlier, their death rate is likely ~0.5%.

There is also one part of the study that I do not even understand. From the study,

"A more pronounced control effect would have been achieved had the sequence of control measures occurred two weeks earlier: a reduction of 960,937 (900,114-1,011,498) [84.0% (78.7%-88.4%)] cases and 53,990 (49,688-57,186) [82.7% (76.1%-87.6%)] deaths in the US (Fig. 2e-f), and 246,082 (234,645-252,281) [93.8% (89.4%-96.2%)] cases and 20,427 (19,380-21,093) [93.7% (88.9%-96.7%)] deaths in the New York metropolitan area (Fig. 2g-h)."

New York City only has ~16k confirmed deaths. How is it calculated that they would have had 19k-21k fewer deaths than 16k?

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Mr_Rian posted...

You're moving goalposts to try to cover for the fact that you didn't understand what words meant. I don't need to bash my head on a wall for someone this willful in their ignorance. I'm done.

I am not moving anything. Show me where I said that COVID-19 cannot cause sepsis. As my previous post says, sepsis can be caused by any infection and COVID-19 is an infection. My point has always been saying sepsis is a "possible complication" of COVID-19 is meaningless unless it can be proven COVID-19 is more likely to cause sepsis than other infections.

I have done nothing in this topic but give actual numbers on COVID-19. You have posted links with no hard numbers, basically nothing more than opinion pieces for the most, and then you accuse me of ignorance?

That is the problem with this whole pandemic. People on both extremes are not willing to look at the numbers. They hear what they want to hear, read what they want to read, and develop whatever opinion they want to develop. They do not allow anything to dissuade them and they attack anyone who disagrees.

I am not going to attack you, or anyone else in this topic or any other discussion I am involved it. The least you could do is show the same respect.

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CableZL posted...

https://www.sepsis.org/news/the-connection-between-covid-19-sepsis-and-sepsis-survivors/

Since COVID-19 is a viral infection, it puts you at risk of developing sepsis.

And no one is saying that you will end up with lasting damage. There's just the possibility of getting sepsis if you get a severe case of COVID-19. I'm not willing to take that risk.

There is a possibility of getting sepsis with any infection. Neither this article, nor the articles posted by @Mr_Rian , show a specifically strong correlation between a COVID-19 infection and the development of sepsis. One of those articles states 10% of COVID-19 patients develop sepsis while the other two give no numbers on the development of sepsis among COVID-19 patients. For comparison, 30% of flu deaths for children list sepsis as one of the complications related to the death.

Since COVID-19 is an infection, you can obviously develop sepsis from it. That is a given. Sepsis can also be developed from the flu. You can develop sepsis from minor cuts and burns. The possibility of developing sepsis from COVID-19 is meaningless unless you can provide a significant rate for the development of sepsis for COVID-19 patients.

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CableZL posted...

Possible complication means there is a risk of getting sepsis if you have a severe case of COVID-19.

The article you linked to does not provide any data on sepsis being linked to COVID-19. Do you have a link for data that shows an actual correlation?

Mr_Rian posted...

Your understanding of the English language is somewhat lacking @abaddon41_80 .

See above. The phrase, "possible complication of COVID-19," points to sepsis being related to COVID-19 as more of a hypothesis than an actual linked complication, and the article linked to supports the former intepretation. The article also states septis can leave a patient with lasting damage, not will.

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MyMainAccount posted...

@abaddon41_80

Dude Sepsis isnt a mystery condition; We may not know everything about COVID-19, but when it causes Sepsis, its not guesswork when doctors say what Sepsis does to you. Its not doctors are unsure if Sepsis actually does anything, its a percentage chance of certain kinds of long term damage that is well documented in anyone who has Sepsis.

From the quoted text, "Another possible complication of a severe case of COVID-19 is sepsis." You may notice that is says "possible complication."

CableZL posted...

Some lung damage seen in the Wuhan study cases are likely to gradually heal or disappear, Wang and colleagues suspect.However, in some patients, lung abnormalities will harden into layers of scar tissue known as pulmonary fibrosis. That scarring stiffens the lungs, making it hard to get enough oxygen. People with pulmonary fibrosis typically suffer shortness of breath, limiting their ability to be physically active.

The damage gradually healing or hardening is complete guesswork right now. No one knows how it will or won't heal, either way is just a hypothesis right now.

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With all due respect, the first line of that says "possible complication." We also have no idea how long the damage the CT scans showed will last. There is no way to confirm it is permanent right now. The last line ever reads "likely" to develop into scars, not going to develop into scars.

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CableZL posted...

We have flu vaccines available. The flu hasn't been known to cause lasting respiratory damage, either.

COVID-19 hasn't been known to cause lasting damage at this point, either. We might know that in the future but we can't know that right now.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

The flu has a vaccine and we know the extent of the damage of that virus. COVID-19 has killed more and still remains more of a mystery to the extent of damage it will do to the lungs or how it could mutate, and other diseases exist so don't want to strain the healthcare system even further. That's why there's more measures for this than the flu.

I agree that there should be precautions and measures in place for COVID-19. At-risk individuals should be under safer-at-home guidelines and stores should have to change cleaning habits, even closing down at certain times to do that cleaning. The response that did happen has gone too far, though, given the actual mortality rate of the disease.

Things should have been just a little more restrictive than what Sweden did but nowhere near the level they have been restricted. The flu kills 10k people a month and we do almost nothing for that. COVID-19 has killed 30k people a month and we basically shut down the country?

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

60-70% of a population need to be infected for herd immunity. That's 18-24 months away, and by then we'll most likely have a vaccine, anyways.

If 60% of America got the virus, and of those .5% died, that's almost a million people dead from the virus in the US alone in a span of 18-24 months. Trying to rush herd immunity over a vaccine is going to cost way more lives.

We need to work on getting a vaccine before anything, I agree with that, but the chances of getting this disease and dying from this disease, especially for the vast majority of Americans, is miniscule. That is just a fact.

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By this logic, we should issue stay-at-home orders for at-risk people and close down some businesses every flu season. Not to the extent of what we have done for COVID-19 of course, for sure, but do something. Up to 62k people have died from the flu in the last six months, whereas COVID-19 is at 95k for the last three months. That means we should take a third of the measures we have taken for COVID-19 for flu season?

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Sweden never locked down. Only 7.3% tested postivie at the end of April. Sweden now also has the highest death rate.

Banking on herd immunity has cost them tons of lives, and the deaths are only going to grow.

Based on the 7.3% antibody rate, roughly 750k people in Sweden has contracted and developed antibodies to COVID-19. Sweden has 4k COVID-19 deaths. 4k/750k = 0.5%. If that is the absolute worst-case scenario, I think we can feel pretty secure.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Oh look, NFL board poster is still clinging to a couple of flawed studies.

New studies have come out then. Very few people overall have been infected, we're so far off from herd immunity, your little .1% death rate is outlandish and been proven wrong.

Really? The most recent study I have seen shows New York with a 12.5% antibody rate, and that study was using a sample of 15k people.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-announces-results-completed-antibody-testing

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CableZL posted...

Please provide your source for this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

As of May 1st, New York City had 13k confirmed deaths. New York City did antibody testing and found 20% of the population had COVID-19 antibodies. Given the population of NYC is 8.4mil, that would equate to roughly 1.7mil people with antibodies. 13k/1.7mil = 0.76%. The antibody testing done by USC and Stanford estimated even higher infection rates than that.

Only 690 of the deaths in New York City were people under 65 with no pre-existing conditions. According to the census, 7.2mil of the population is under 65. With an infection rate of 20% and assuming infection rate remains relatively constant among age groups, that means roughly 1.44mil people under 65 have been infected. 690/1.44mil is 0.05%, and that number includes people under 65 with pre-existing conditions.

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CableZL posted...

Again, you're looking at it solely as if you don't have a risk of spreading it to other people who are more at risk.

The total death rate; including elderly and those with pre-existing conditions; is very likely under 0.5%. If you take the averages of all of the antibody studies and estimates for how many people have been infected, the death rate is around 0.1%.

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Not really. From my original post, "Even including pre-existing conditions, the chance of dying if you are infected with COVID-19 for people under 50 is less than half of a percent."

Sewage posted...

And death is only one of many outcomes. Did you know it's being discovered asymptomatic patients have had damage to their lungs from this? People without any symptoms have lung damage, now imagine catching it and having a hard time with it but still surviving. That's can produce long term health problems. You also could give it to someone high risk and they could die. Being high risk doesn't mean they are on their death bed. Being over 50 doesn't mean their life starts having less value. There are also tons of people who have underlying conditions that they are unaware of. My cousin has an atrial fibrillation and apparently he's had it for at least 10 years before being diagnosed, that is considered an underlying condition. It's not a big deal all things considered, but it is something that puts him at a greater risk. It's not as black and white as you make it sound.

No one has any idea if COVID-19 can produce long-term health problems right now, because is has been around for less than a year.

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REMercsChamp posted...

I'd be careful what you wish for. We have people here in the 20-39 age range with no pre-existing conditions who died from it.

The death rate for people under 50 with no pre-existing conditions is essentially zero. Even including pre-existing conditions, the chance of dying if you are infected with COVID-19 for people under 50 is less than half of a percent.

Those numbers are using the total confirmed cases as the denominator, too. At this point, every expert in the world agrees the denominator is at least 10 times higher than the confirmed cases.


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Who cares about getting COVID-19, to be honest. I want to get it just to lower the death rate even further and calm the hysteria.

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This is a good topic.

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Connecting the cables from the case to the motherboard is always the hardest part for me. I have big hands and it is sometimes tough to get into certain spots.

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Much better. I would still suggest saving $30-40 on a PSU by going with something non-modular or semi-medular. The H510 is a roomy case with plenty of space for extra PSU cables.

With that savings, you could add a 128-256GB NVMe to use as your boot drive with the HDD being for storage.

If you want to save even more, I would look at an ASRock 5700xt from Newegg. The Challenger D is $360 after MIR and the Gaming D is $380, and both come with Monster Hunter, RE3, and gamepass right now.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

I gave birth to him though....

Also the kid still will calls me mom for some reason. So apparently I'm a dude and a mom. Used to call my spouse mommy too tbh.

I am confused. In this scenario, are you a FTM transgender who gave birth to this kid? If that is the case, the kid is your son but you are no longer his mother.

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• Cut the CPU cooler. The Wraith Stealth is good enough for solid overclocking on the Ryzen 5 2600. Saves $90
• Do some quick Googling on how to get W10 for cheap. Saves $80
• You could save ~$50 with a cheaper 5700xt. I have heard the ASRock offerings are actually pretty good
• Look for a monitor in the $130-150 range. You can search "144hz monitor" on Amazon and find something similar to the one in your build
• You could save $30-40 if you are willing to look at non-modular or semi-modular power supplies

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I thought they went out of business years ago.

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sodium-chloride posted...

No one is saying they can't be named something different or that they don't take on a new title. Some dumbass in here is arguing that they are literally different people than they were before transitioning.

By that logic we are all physically different people given how our bodies' cells break down and regenerate new ones on a daily basis.

That's facts.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

Is my son no longer my son because of my social transition?

He is still your son but you are no longer his father.

I am not sure why this is so hard for many of you to understand. The Wachowski brothers do not exist anymore. If you say otherwise, you are disrespecting the wishes of the Wachowski sisters. Being as I am not transphobic, I will not do that.

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EvilMegas posted...

You didn't answer the question.

They don't come back to life because they aren't dead but if they decide to become male again, the Wachowski brothers would exist again. As of right now, can you point out the Wachowski brothers to me? Give me their address? Age? What they are doing with their lives? Because if you can answer those questions about the Wachowski brothers, you are being very transphobic and not requesting the Wachowski sisters' wishes.

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The Wachowskis still exist, they aren't dead, but the Wachowski brothers no longer exist.

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EvilMegas posted...

So are the creators of the Matrix dead or what then?

For all intents and purposes. Unless they transition back, the Wachowski brothers no longer exist.

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Bulbasaur posted...

they still fucking made it

what the fuck is this dumb as fuck question

The Matrix was written by two men, Lily Wachoski is not a man, ipso facto Lily Wachowski did not write The Matrix.

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dainkinkaide posted...

What? I mean, maybe globally. But current CFR is ranging from as high as 16.33% in Belgium, to as low as 0.04% in Qatar. The United States currently has a COVID-19 CFR of 5.93%, which is comparable to the final global CFR for the 1918 influenza epidemic. And that's while hospitals and other health care centers generally have the capacity to treat the virus.

If the number of active cases is greater than treatment capacity, then the CFR is only going to get higher. And how do we prevent that from occurring? Barring a vaccine, we stretch the infection rate over time out by limiting social contact and thereby limiting new infections.

This might be the case if the amount of confirmed cases was the amount of actual cases but not one expert believes that. The estimates for the amount of actual cases ranges from 10 times the confirmed cases, per the NYC antibody study, to 50 times the confirmed cases, per the Stanford and USC antibody studies.

Even if you calculate the CFR uses the lower end of that, 10 times the confirmed cases and the highest death toll, the confirmed deaths plus around 25k excess deathd, which is the highest number I have seen for excess deaths in the US, you get 130k total deaths divided by 15.6mil cases. That is roughly 0.8%.

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Lokarin posted...

corona is the fire

Running into a burning building is obviously stupid and has a very good chance of getting you killed. Your chance of dying from COVID-19 is infinitely smaller.

It takes a lot for me to agree with Elon Musk, because I actually think he himself is an idiot whose success has come from surrounding himself with smart people, which is the only smart thing he has done. He is right about this. People need to actually wake up and do research on this pandemic because even the most morbid estimates show a CFR well under 1%.

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Lokarin posted...

Ok, is it fascist for a fireman to tell someone to not walk into a burning building?

I do not see how this analogy would apply?

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Megan Fox was ridiculously hot in her prime. She is still pretty good-looking.

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