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Oh. I get it. Thinking the police are mostly good people trying to help their communities means I am a "MAGA poster." I guess I am, then.

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These officers are not there to protest or incite rioting, they are there to help keep the peace in the midst of the protest and be able to identify anyone who does incite riots.

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I do not know if I can vote, then. I do not support Trump's idiotic tweeting and immaturity when it comes to dealing with people who disagree with him but I do support many of the administration's economic policies, which I think Trump had a lot to do with,. I am a registered and firmly conservative Republican and I don't support racism, seeing as I am black, but I also don't support riots and looting as a means to facilitate change.

If I could vote, I would go with option one. I am a black man who loves my country so it isn't even a question as to which option I would prefer. I would consider myself a "MAGA poster" in that I do want to make America great.

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Meaning voted for Trump in the last election?

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Before I vote, what is a MAGA poster? Should any conservative vote?

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StucklnMyPants posted...

Let's see, which is more logical? An officer brings his 12 year old kid to work, or a short woman (who is standing next to a tall guy on a curb) is deployed as part of the unit.

You guys really are showing your prejudices when you automatically assume it's a child instead a woman. smh

I don't think you understand, @StucklnMyPants . If someone posts a video on the internet and captions it, the caption is 100% factual.

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A security officer at the Oakland federal building was shot and killed last night. The Oakland police tweeted that they do not believe it is related to the riots close by but it doesn't matter. It is going to escalate tonight. I would be very careful if you were planning on joining any protests, even if they are supposed to be peaceful, tonight.

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thronedfire2 posted...

so white people can't be upset about police brutality?

Being upset and peacefully protesting is vastly different from looting stores and burning down buildings. You should be able to see the distinction between the two. The quote is not, "when the protesting starts, the shooting starts."

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RamboCell29 posted...

My city had a bunch of white college aged kids doing most of the rioting. These people are thugs.

Yeah. Most of the violent footage from these riots I have seen has been white people committing the violent acts.

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olk3034 posted...

I knew I'd see some racist shit on this shitpile of a board

How is this topic racist? TC did not say anything about race. I have seen just as much footage of white people looting and rioting as I have seen of black people. The rioters are shooting off guns and destroying buildings.

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Rika_Furude posted...

How can the pig walk free for "underlying conditons"? The fact remains that George wouldnt have died if not for the pig.

That is the problem. No one knows that. If the autopsy and evidence point to Floyd having some type of heart attack before Chauvin restrained him, and it looks like there is a chance that is the case, you cannot argue Floyd would have 100% lived if Chauvin had not restrained him the way he did.

Chauvin absolutely withheld medical attention and likely exacerbated the problem with his restraint but any halfway decent lawyer is going to be able to argue he did not kill Floyd as much as he just let him die. There is a clear legal distinction between the two.

Say a man, who can't swim, falls into a well. There is already a rope in the well but it doesn't quite reach the water, the end is around three feet above the waterline and just out of reach of the man. There is a chance the man will be able to propel himself up and grab the rope before he drowns but there is also a chance he will not be able to reach it. What Chauvin did in this metaphor is pull the rope further up.

Edit - In the above metaphor, it could also be stated that the police chased Floyd and caused him to fall into the well. That would be them attempting to arrest him to before he was on the ground, but I do not think anyone is arguing they handled it incorrectly at that point.

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I just spent two and a half minutes watching this video waiting for some type of proof that any of these people are police officers. Did I miss it? The video doesn't even prove that is a police vehicle. Even if the two guys in the vehicle are cops and that is a police vehicle, those two never claim to be with CNN.

You know what the more likely explanation is? The first guy is with CNN and is documenting the protests from the inside while the other two are police officers who are escorting him while undercover. They probably should have just had two uniformed cops walk into violent protests against police and against the media with an obvious journalist, though. That would have worked out much better.

I cannot believe anyone could watch this video and make anything other than guesses about what is happening in it. let alone definitive statements.

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Because large groups of people combined with the fact that outright riots have broken out already are only going to intimidate police, bring them closer together as a group, and cause more problems.

It is only a matter of time before a rioter gets seriously injured or killed by the police and things escalate even further. The circumstances leading up to said rioter being injured will not matter, even if the police shoot him while he is charging them with a Molotov cocktail.

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Finally someone did it. I have never felt more oppressed and unfairly treated as I do when I see an Arby's.

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Patchwork posted...

Positional asphyxiation and excited delirium deaths have been a focus of police training since the 90s. It was my initial assessment, and it seems to be jiving with what the autopsy report might be saying.

For those whove never heard of excited delirium:

https://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Abstract/1993/12000/Restraint_Asphyxiation_in_Excited_Delirium.4.aspx

The complaint against Chauvin actually states one of the officers thought about excited delirium.

"Lane then suggests rolling Floyd onto his side but Chauvin says 'No, staying put where we got him'.

'Officer Lane said, 'I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.' The defendant said , 'That's why we have him on his stomach.' None of the three officers moved from their positions,' the report adds."

It also states that Floyd was actively resisting being put into the police car and saying he couldn't breathe while standing outside the police car, before Chauvin put his knee on his neck.

"Lane and Kueng then tried to walk Floyd to their squad car but Floyd 'stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic', the complaint says.

Chauvin and Thoa arrived on the scene and the four officers tried to get Floyd into the squad car, it states, adding that Floyd 'struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still'.

Floyd began telling the officers he could not breathe while standing outside the car, the report states.
Chauvin then tried to get Floyd into the passenger side of the car before pulling him out of the car moments later. "

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I cannot believe anyone thinks anything that is happening right now is okay.

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cjsdowg posted...

What the fuck is wrong with you . YOU DO NOT PUT YOU KNEE ON SOMEONE'S NECK . Watching out for the neck is something that gets hammed in over and over and putting knee on it. To top that off the cop has his need on a man's knee for 8 mins , 3 of those minds the person was no responsive. And you are defending that shit.

I have said several times I am not defending the officer's actions and he needs to go to prison for a very long time.

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I am just curious, what do the people who disagree with the charges think about the preliminary statements from the autopsy? That it is wrong, or falsified?

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Patchwork posted...

Ive said it in a few of these topics.

It was positional asphyxiation. Youre taught to avoid keeping a handcuffed subject proned out in his chest and stomach for prolonged periods of time due to the pavement and restraint positions creating undue stress on the subjects ability to expand the chest cavity for air.

No air, and the subject goes into cardiac arrest.

Chauvins knee in the neck likely exacerbated the issue to an even more extreme degree.

This is exactly why the report states, "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

I am not defending the officer of wrongdoing by any means. My argument is against the people who repeatedly mention Floyd was "strangled" or that the officer "kneeling on Floyd's neck." If this report is to be believed, these are sensationalized and arguably factually incorrect statements.

The officer was in the wrong for not attending to Floyd as soon as he started saying he was having trouble breathing. The officer was really in the wrong for continuing to not do anything once Floyd seemingly passed out. He should be charged with some form of manslaughter based on how he handled this situation but the evidence does not support charging him with 1st or 2nd degree murder.

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CableZL posted...

It shouldn't be that hard to understand that it would be hard to breathe if you're laying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, for reasons I've already outlined.

You do understand that kneeling on someone's neck is not the same as having your knee on someone's neck, right? There is a very big distinction between kneeling, meaning put your weight down, on someone's neck and having your knee on their neck as a restraint with your weight not pushing down.

That is what should not be hard to understand. The video does not show us enough to make the distinction, which is why we need the autopsy to show which one it was.

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I have only been frequenting this board for a couple of weeks but, in the time I have been on here, this board leans very heavily left. If I had to put a percentage on the users from each side, it would be like 90% to 10% in favor of the left.

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CableZL posted...

Are you ignoring the video of the officer kneeling on his neck?

As I stated, I have watched the video several times. It does not prove how much force was being exerted onto Floyd's neck, not in the slightest.

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CableZL posted...

So trying to argue that he wasn't being choked seems rather idiotic.

The coroner is stating that he wasn't being choked. Is this really that hard to understand?

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CableZL posted...

We have a video of the officer kneeling on his neck for an extended period of time. If you're lying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, it's going to make it difficult for your chest cavity to expand in order to breathe.

Even after officer was told that George Floyd had no pulse, he still kept kneeling on his neck.

Again with the "kneeling on his neck" thing. Are you just ignoring the preliminary autopsy report?

BlueBoy675 posted...

The fact that he fucking passed out is proof that he was being deprived of oxygen you bootlicker.

Yes. Exactly. No one is denying he was having trouble breathing and deprived of oxygen. No one is denying that. The point is, again, the preliminary autopsy seems to imply it was, and I quote, The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. At no point, so far, does it mention he was choked. It actually states that, "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation."

If you want to argue that the report is fake, that is fine. Just please let me know if that is your argument.

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I am not defending the officer, for the record, I think he should be charged with manslaughter or some type of negligent homicide at the very least, or whatever similar charge Minnesota has. Floyd was clearly unconscious, or close to it, and the officer made no attempt to do anything attempt it. That alone is worth serious jail time in my mind.

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CableZL posted...

Are we really trying to argue that kneeling on someone's neck isn't choking them

Is that where we're at right now

I do not know if you are purposely missing the point or just so blinded by rage you cannot see it. If it is the latter, I totally understand because Floyd begging for help in the video is heartbreaking.

The point is, though, that the preliminary results do not seem to support the officer was "kneeling on someone's neck." The preliminary report apparently states the examiner found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation."

As I have repeatedly stated, the video does not show how much pressure the officer was exerting on Floyd's neck. You sit here and act like the video is proof positive that the officer was "choking" Floyd because Floyd was having trouble breathing but this preliminary autopsy does not support that belief.

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boxington posted...

save? help?

the cop was who Floyd needed to be saved from, as he was the cause of his distress. removing the cop from his neck would have helped him.

The cop allowing Floyd to get up might have helped. Until the full autopsy, and an independent second autopsy, come out we will not know. This preliminary report makes it seem like the officer wasn't choking Floyd. For the record, restraining and choking someone are not synonyms. To quote the report again,

The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

and,

no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,

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Bass_X0 posted...

Edgeworth has the updated autopsy report.

Link?

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looked posted...

I don't think it matters. Maybe the cop just triggered a preexisting condition, he still ignored his pleas for help, and just held him there until he died. With no real reason for doing so.

This is why the officer should still, at the very least, be charged with manslaughter. He might not have been able to save Floyd at the point he put his knee on his neck but he sure as hell could have done something to help a man clearly in distress.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Is the video evidence of Chauvins knee not evidence enough for you? Or are you looking for a convenient out to not blame the pig that murdered a man.

The problem is that the video evidence does not show how much pressure was being applied, that is why we have to wait for the autopsy results to be finalized.

Floyd saying he cannot breathe does not prove that the officer was depriving him of oxygen. If the preliminary report is true there is a very real possibility Floyd was having trouble breathing because of his, and I am quoting the preliminary results here, "underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system."

We have to wait for the full results of the autopsy before we have all of the information. I am not sure why that upsets some of you so much. I have watched the video repeatedly, and it makes me sick to watch it. I cannot even watch horror movies because people begging for their lives nauseates me and makes me want to throw up. That video simply does not show if the officer was actually applying enough pressure to cause Floyd's labored breathing.

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I do not have any alts. You must have messed up when you blocked me. I am sorry.

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I would wait until the full autopsy report comes out but it will not matter to many people. The majority of people have already made up their minds about how Floyd died.

If the full autopsy states there is no evidence of asphyxiation or trauma to the neck and that he had a heart attack even before he was pinned to the ground, or right when he was pinned to the ground, people are just going to go all conspiracy theory about it.

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This has been the best year of my life on a personal level. I am making more money than I ever have, mostly due to COVID-19, and I am likely going to get engaged this year.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

The riots have officially done more good than bad

He wasn't arrested because of the riots. Chauvin was always going to be arrested and charged with the same thing he has been charged with. The riots have not done any good.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

He's not wrong to a certain extent though. They don't have enough to bring a formal charge of what they REALLY want (which is first degree murder). A common problem with prosecutions is that they'll try for a heavy charge before they have everything in order, and the defendant will get off on something tiny like a technicality or a small charge.

Bringing him into custody is a start though, that's for sure, but he's going to post bail and be back on the street again soon.

They need the autopsy to determine there wasn't a heart attack or something. If they charge him with first degree murder and it turns out he had a heart attack, then he walks.

Well said. I absolutely think Floyd deserves justice and the officer needs to be punished. At the very least, the officer is guilty of manslaughter for not attempting to help Floyd once he seemingly passed out. We need to wait and see exactly how Floyd died in order to press charges and actually convict, though. The video, while sickening, does not show how and why Floyd died beyond the shadow of a doubt needed to convict someone of a crime such as murder.

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I have been on GFAQs for almost 15 years and never really visited this board until recently. Part of it is not being able to discuss sports because there are none and part of it is being stupid not busy at the office.

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Odoylerules posted...

yes. more pigs killing innocent black people is what those morons need to do.

People looting stores and building down buildings are not innocent.

That said, I do not think lethal force should be used unless absolutely necessary. Rubber bullets and tear gas should already be in use in Minneapolis and if that does not stop the rioters then maybe you could make the argument for lethal force. You would need to show the rioters are a danger to yourself or others, which I suppose would not be hard to do if they are throwing Molotov cocktails around.

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I've never personally felt afraid of the police and never had any negative encounters but I do understand why some other black people would feel afraid.

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I am black and have been arrested twice, once as a 14-year-old and once in my 20s. Both of my experiences were fine. I wasn't mistreated at all and I never felt like I was in any danger.

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cjsdowg posted...

In your next post you highlighted this.

She was not attacked by the people she was stabbing. So yeah they had shit to do with happened before. Also one more time why did she let the white lady go by.

We do not know the context of what happened. We know that she was attacked before she started attacking others, though. From what can be seen in the videos, she is definitely more of the victim than the aggressor. There might be more information that comes out later that disproves that but with the information we have right now, I cannot imagine the mental backflips that have to be done to say she is the bad person in these videos.

Slaya4 posted...

She was attacking people I'm not sure how somebody can defend her from not getting her asswhooped from starting shit.

Like why go out your way to attack people that's stealing from target. She was clearly only attack black folks too on top of that from the video. This is fair, next to me. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

She didn't attack anyone until after she was attacked. Please watch the whole video.

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K181 posted...

So if this happened in your city you'd be fine and dandy with your car being torched or your windows getting broken or your business being robbed? Replaceable/fixable, right?

Of course murder is worse. The vast majority of people having their property damaged by riots in Minnesota had zilch to do with that, though.

You're allowed to think both the cause and response are bad.

And all tat being said, a shitload of cops should be arrested up there for resorting to violence so quickly and if it's proven any were involved in escalating protests to riots then lock 'em away forever.

Check out this guy being logical and reasonable on the internet.

I hate to tell you but if you do not support senseless rioting and destruction of property that does nothing to further a cause, you are likely a racist. If you do not believe that the overwhelming majority of the looters are doing it in support of George Floyd, because looting in support of someone who was killed makes a lot of sense, you are likely an alt-right Trump supporter.

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cjsdowg posted...

We don't know the situation in the first part of the clip. Since every other time we see her on video she is starting some shit.
In the second clip she let's a white woman go by, and then attacks a black women that had nothing to do with the issues she had before.

We know as much from the video where she is robbed and attacked as we do from the video where she pulls a knife. There are two videos of her being attacked and only one where she is attacking people with a knife. In actuality, the video where she pulls the knife is the only time we see her on video being the aggressor.

Your statement, "every other time we see her on video she is starting something," is simply false. We know the videos where she was bodily moved out of the way of a looter's cart and when she was robbed and punched occured before her pulling the knife, as she wasn't covered in fire extinguisher chemicals in those videos.

I keep on seeing people mention that you can walk and that she robbed an ATM later that night but I fail to see how that is relevant to video proof of her being attacked before she pulled the knife.

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cjsdowg posted...

No she wasn't, you can see that she first attacked the black lady who was trying to leave the store, after letting the white lady go by. That is on the damn video.

I already posted this but you might have missed it. The video you are looking at happened after she was already attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhnepK1eFmk

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There is video of her being attacked multiple times and someone trying to grab her purse before she pulls the knife. How can you possibly sit there and say her pulling a knife for self-defense was unreasonable in that situation?

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Lots of women carry some type of weapon for self-defense in their purses. If that is your issue with this, and not her being robbed and punched in the head while people yelled to "knock her out," you are taking issue with the wrong thing.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Did anyone point out that she got up and walked from the wheelchair yet?

Yes but that is irrelevant to what happened before. If she was just some middle-aged and not disabled woman being brutally attacked during the riots and then pulled a knife, it doesn't change the fact that she was attacked before pulling a knife to defend herself.

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Bluebomber182 posted...

https://twitter.com/ToshinUrameshi/status/1266021330693976064 (click to expand)

So you proof is a Tweet with no proof in it?

Even if the last two statements are true, which I would like to see actual proof of, it is not relevant. The videos we have of her at Target show she was brutally attacked and robbed before she pulled the knife.

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Odoylerules posted...

if you call trolling "having an opinion" you are sadder than I thought.

Thank you for perfectly proving my post!

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Conservatives: Have an opinion
Liberals: "Stop trolling"

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Yes to sex, no to toes. That is saying a lot for me, too, because I love sucking on some toes.

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