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Taking a quick look at it, probably around 60%.

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Purple, though I kind of regret it. I have slept in other brands of beds in a box that are much cheaper and they are just as comfortable.

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The smarter you consider yourself, the less intelligent you actually are.

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What about looting and burning down a pharmacy where people get their medications? Or destroying a dialysis facility? There are countless examples where property damage can directly lead to people being hurt or dying. Even lighting an abandoned building on fire could cause the loss of life if a firefighter dies trying to put it out.

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She was 90s hot. That was when herion chic was a thing.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Stop. Get off this board. Go away. We need less awful troll accounts running around.

Please stop. Someone already posted the link where it shows there were two officers shot in Vegas yesterday. I do not think the National Guard opening fire is okay but you seem to think rioters opening fire is acceptable. Neither is acceptable.

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People in this topic are literally just ignoring the fact that law enforcement officers are being shot at and killed before they return fire.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

One piece is poorly paced though. It meanders.

This is true of the anime, like most animes, but the manga is perfect. Everyone who likes manga should read One Piece because it's the GOAT.

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Believe me or don't. That is your choice. I am not just saying this now. I have been on the NFLB for over a decade and maintained my being black that entire time. I could have been lying all these years but at least give me credit for keeping up the lie all these years, if I am lying.

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Kansas fo sho.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Yup. Every time you call out the fact that hes finding every way to downplay what happened, he pretends hes trying to use hold justice, but he showed up on CE just to downplay bad shit happening to black people.

First and foremost, I am black. Secondly, I actually showed up to CE a couple of weeks before the George Floyd killing. I have been on GFAQs for about 15 years but mostly on the sports boards. With no more sports, and it slowing down at my office, I didn't really have much else to do while sitting at my desk.

I am not trying to downplay anything. I think what Chauvin did was horrible and it was absolutely murder. I just do not believe it is 1st or 2nd degree murder. I imagine that most legal experts would agree with that assessment, as Chauvin was charged with 3rd degree murder.

Every time I post an opinion on this, or anything, I support it with quotes from experts or other factual information and statistics. Your general response is simply to accuse me of trolling instead of responding to the discussion.

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I want Chauvin to go the prison, I also want people to have access to all of the facts and not just the ones they cherry-pick to support their beliefs. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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TritochZERO posted...

Not surprising - they're already trying to roll out the "George was no angel" BS, like suggesting he was on drugs without any toxicology report

The first autopsy does have a toxicology report. Quoting the below link, "Their report also listed other significant conditions, including arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication and recent use of methamphetamine."

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-familys-lawyer-independent-autopsy-determines-floyd-died-of-asphyxiation/

The coroners for the second autopsy apparently did not have access to the tissue samples, some organs, and the toxicology results, though they believe their conclusion would be the same. "She noted that she did not have access to toxicology results, tissue samples or some organs. Those items are not likely to change the results, she said."

https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael-baden.html

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Who knows. Neither of them is independent. The county ME works for the county and the "indenpendent" coroner was hired and paid by the family's attorney. Which autopsy you believe says more about you than it does about the validity of either result.

For the sake of the country, I hope the family's coroner is more believable in court. This country is going to burn unless Chauvin and the other officers get the maximum possible sentence.

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cjsdowg posted...

Are you trolling me right now. Please don't play this is important to me. Yes or no, you are trolling ?

My opinion is that Chauvin and all of these officers should be in prison for a long time and that there was a chance they could have actually helped Floyd if they cared at all. Instead, in their depraved indifference, they let him die slowly on the ground while begging for his life.

That doesn't change the facts of the case, though. The autopsy report did not mention anything about any signs of a beating and the criminal complaint states Floyd was actively resisting being put in the car and once he was in the car. These are not my opinions.

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cjsdowg posted...

abaddon41_80 he was in the damn car, they literally had to take him out for them to do what they did,

They took him out of the car because he was freaking out. That is not what I am inferring or my opinion. That is what the actual criminal complaint against the officers states.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Dude youre a bad gimmick and youre not fooling anyone

I am not trying to fool anyone but okay. If you can honestly watch this video and make any definitive conclusions from it, I am sorry.

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shockthemonkey posted...

This new guy who has shown up only to talk about how bad George Floyd was is still peddling his bullshit

I do not think Floyd was a bad person. Where are you getting that from? I sure as heck do not think he deserved to die like he did.

This video just isn't proof of anything, regardless of your beliefs on how awful what happened to Floyd was.

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How are any of you claiming you have any idea what is happening in the backseat of the car? The complaint against the officers seems to point more towards Floyd struggling than anything else. An excerpt from the complaint,

"Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted."

The autopsy would have also likely mentioned any bruises and wounds he suffered during altercation, and I did not see anything about that in the report.

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BathroomWater posted...

In a similar fashion, I have never seen you make a worthwhile post.

While I disagree with your opinion, I will defend to the death your right to have it.

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I have never seen a topic end at post #3 but still somehow keep going for 50 more messages.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

he's been sealioning in a bunch of topics for months

don't bother with him

I have actually only been on the CE board for about two weeks, since we got really slow at my office. I am unsure what "sealioning" means in this regard but if someone answered my question before post #103, please let me know because it is possible I missed it in the first page.

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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

I love how Abaddon has just been asking question and been genuinely curious as he constantly disregards answers on what should be done.

And he says he is now scared because he is black, what a phony...

The first answer given was like four minutes before your reply and, with all due respect to the poster, it isn't even a good answer. There is no way that in that situation, with your car being mobbed by rioters and you having to make a quick decision, you have time to calmly check your rearview mirror to see if you can make up. In those situations, a second could literally mean life and death for the officers in the vehicle. There has to be some better training than "hopefully you have a way out that you can find before your vehicle possibly gets a Molotov thrown at it."

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VipaGTS posted...

"they had to kill people to save people you don't understand"...There were other ways out of this situation that didn't involve plowing a group of people. its amazing how the same ones who would cry about property damage are ok with a cop running actual people over.

What are the other ways out of the situation? I am genuinely asking and not attempting to troll or upset anyone. Police officers have to be trained for that situation, I would imagine.

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Number090684 posted...

Considering they knew each other, Floyd was removed from the vehicle and Chauvin would not get his knee and weight off of Floyd's neck for span of minutes, even after Floyd became unresponsive. 100% yes, Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd and needs to be charged with murder. The man is a monster.

While you may still believe it is murder, there is a lot factually incorrect about this post.

1. There is no proof they knew each other. They worked as bouncers at the same club but the owner has specifically stated she would say they did not know each other. Her quote was, "I wouldn't characterize them as knowing each other. We did all work together at the club at different points of time, certainly on Tuesday nights on and off. We were all working on the same team."
2. Floyd was removed from the vehicle because he told the officer's he was claustrophobic and that he could not breath when they tried to put him in the vehicle. From the complaint, "When two other officers arrived, including Mr. Chauvin, the officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the back seat of a squad car, while Mr. Floyd struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still, the statement said. While still standing, Mr. Floyd began to say he could not breathe, the document said."
3. The preliminary autopsy points to Chauvin not putting the weight required to choke Floyd onto Floyd's neck. The medical examiner says "there is no physical findings of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Chauvin is guilty of something like depraved-indifference, which is third-degree murder or manslaughter in most states. If he is charged with 1st or 2nd degree murder, he probably will not be found guilty based on the current evidence. I really hope they do not charge him with those because he deserves serious prison time.


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My initial thought, when I watched the video, was that more information was needed.

After the autopsy and the quotes from that, I do not think he intentionally killed Floyd. I think he is an awful cop and an even worse person. Once Floyd seemingly passed out he needed to do something to help him, not keep him on the ground. He clearly wanted to hurt Floyd and I do not think he cared if he died but I do not think he intended to cause his death.

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@Lairen - For the record, my last statement was not meant to be disrespectful. That is just something I say as a joke. I actually do appreciate your response because it is something that is confusing to me.

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I cannot tell if you are using the old sarcasm or not. Are police officers really just told to stop the car and hope the rioters do not break in or set the car on fire?

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Lairen posted...

The same guy that posted the video said they were responding to a call and protesters wouldnt get out of their way.

Stop responding to any calls, obviously.

But what if they are responding to a call and do not expect to be overrun like that? What is the procedure once they are surrounded?

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This is exactly why there need to be undercover officers embedded in the protests. They can save lives of actual peaceful protesters when rioters get out of control.

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I do not condone running pedestrians down with a vehicle by any means but I am genuinely curious what police procedure in the situation where your vehicle is surrounded by aggressive rioters. Are there any police officers here that can shed some light on the subject?

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There needs to be another option because supporting the protesters needs to be separate from supporting the rioters and looters.

If you support what these protests have morphed into; with buildings being vandalized or outright destroyed, cars being torched, and innocents on both sides being attacked; please take the time to do some serious soul-searching.

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From the complaint,

"Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.

The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver's side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted."

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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

Lol, maybe you should get a shirt that says "I am black and afraid of you officer, don't hurt me!"

Why would the shirt need to say "I am black?"

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Happy_Tristesse posted...

Imagine how the police are gonna treat us after these protests

Exactly. I have never had any fear of the police before. and I am black, but after this I am not sure. The officers are going to be on-edge as soon as they change into their uniforms. Even the slightest movement might scare them into making a stupid decision.

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Dusk_ posted...

Yeah haven't you heard? All the looting and burning is from white supremacists.

Not all of it. They are just the ones convincing everyone else to help them. They are so conniving and persuasive. Not one of these protests would be turning violent if not for the white supremacists and undercover police instigators.

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Ask her if she likes Imagine Dragons.

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This is just disgusting. Thanks for posting, @onedarksoul ! I cannot believe these obvious white supremacists are out here making all of these people loot and riot.

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I am not defending the officer. He deserves to be in prison for a long time for withholding emergency medical treatment and contributing to Floyd's death. It isn't first or second degree murder, though, at least not in a legal sense. It is some form of manslaughter and being an awful person and an awful police officer.

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Every bit as legit as the theory that is the title of the video. That's my point, this video proves nothing. It is a Rorschach test where people are going to see what they want to see and draw conclusions that they want to try.

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