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lok over here displaying his wicked trolling skills by saying "5th graders" while omitting the "gifted geniuses practically born with mathematical super powers" part

masterful.

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Mead posted...

Im not taking sides I just want to share a song I like

https://youtu.be/q-3X8brcVwM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4zfLydI20

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then

https://www.spelunkyworld.com/original.html

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all of the NES/SNES/GB/GBC/GBA libraries via emulation
what gba games did you play, battle network series alone can keep you busy for a month+

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seems like it's game reviews that need more originality


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adjl posted...

Because the difference between murder and any other form of killing is its legality. By definition, murder is an unlawful killing, and lawful killings are not murder. In discussing what should be legal/illegal, bringing murder into the discussion is basically saying "it should be illegal because it's illegal," which is a semantically null argument and should therefore be avoided.

Depends how you want to frame it. How likely does one's death have to be before they can justify killing in self-defense? Is killing to prevent theft justifiable as self-defense (note that, regardless of your personal opinion, Texas' Stand Your Ground law says yes)? If so, is there a minimum amount of wealth that must be lost for that justification?

You seem to be very aggressively resisting any efforts to encourage you to think about this at all. Why is that? Are you afraid that actually putting thought into the matter might change your mind?

murder had a definition for 3000 years before the legal system of the US or dictionaries existed, which is what i described, it is murder in its non legal sense.

but sure, the nazis didn't murder jews and black people because they killed them legally with the laws they made, the nazis didn't murder anyone, you have fun being on that side, i'll stay on the other side of this claim thank you very much.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

...?

If it was true conservatives wouldn't be making it.

got em

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well?

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according to these terms their star piker should be banned or sued as well

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invisibility

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the sonic fandom

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adjl posted...

o clarify, the only thing setting murder apart from any other instance of killing a human is it being unlawful. Premeditation is not required (except for first-degree murder, since that's how it's defined). In a discussion about when it should/shouldn't be lawful to kill a human, however, setting certain instances apart because they're currently illegal doesn't mean anything ("It should be illegal because it is illegal").

To that end, the term "murder" should either be avoided entirely in this discussion or treated as being freely interchangeable with "killing a human," regardless of how justifiable that killing is.

no, murder is different from killing, i explained the difference.
why are you talking legality? you are making the claim that it is murder in texas because that is the law in texas, i agree.

@Zangulus but what's your point? except ad hom
adjl posted...

That's not even how self defense laws work. To successfully claim self defense, you need to demonstrate that you reasonably believed you were in sufficient danger that the only way to protect yourself was to use lethal force. You have to justify killing the person, not simply demonstrate that you didn't plan to kill them (and, in fact, if you're in a situation where you need to kill somebody to protect yourself, you should plan to kill them). It's not a case of saying "I didn't mean to kill them," it's a matter of demonstrating that killing them was the lesser of two evils.

That, in turn, means you're identifying a situation in which killing somebody isn't as bad as the alternative, and in turn, that means you're considering just how bad it is to kill somebody (so you can compare it). So keep going. Assess how bad it is to kill somebody and why it's so bad, and explain your opinions on the matter to me.

no, murder is different from killing, as it is a very specific killing which holds the qualities i specified above.
why are you talking legality? aren't you currently arguing against the law? you just made the point that it is murder in texas because texas deems it murder

why would i explain how self defense works? it's pretty obvious, abortion isn't self defense

@Zangulus but what's your point, other than ad hom

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joemodda posted...

Men are simply better both in sports and at being women

https://tinyurl.com/4pbkjev2

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i dunno my conservative server is a public server with minimal blocking and it's fun, chaotic, but fun
i don't think keeping yourself in an echo chamber is healthy, people need to challenge their worldview on a regular basis in order to grow

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LinkPizza posted...

But youd have to get most people to change for the corporations to change, which wouldnt happen. Meaning the corporations would still need to be the ones to change first

isn't that just quitter mentality? if that was true nothing would have ever changed, what good change didn't start from the people first but was top to bottom?

like clench already explained, your suggestion is a loop with no out, you need people to truly believe and care in order to vote for those things, if they truly believe and care they would also do those things themselves, otherwise they don't truly believe and care, which signals all the other voters not to vote that way, and in fact encourage them to vote the other way due to disgust of hypocrisy.

edit: also the usual "banning those things sure would solve everything, like when we banned drugs :D" point

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i can see clench moving to the right throughout this thread and it's hilarious

trump is starting to move out of some peoples heads which lets them finally see how inane libs are

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FatalAccident posted...

Way to miss the point

no, you all missed his point, which is that your boogeyman corporations can only exist to begin with due to customers, who are individuals who can decide to stop being customers of said company

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11110111011 posted...

Additionally, the global warming issue isn't going to be solved by individual efforts. If you want to solve it you have to start somewhere that will actually make an impact like China or India, and good luck with that.

our companies export labor to china which is responsible for most of their pollution, india is making steps to become greener in their own way and we are in a position to help them become greener if we actually care enough to put effort into it

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Clench281 posted...

Those companies aren't just burning gasoline for the fun of it, it's to meet a demand that exists because of end consumers. Your attitude is just shifting the blame to absolve yourself so you can feel better.

*surprised pikachu*

a liberal capable of putting 1+1 together

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agree it was one of the better mcu movies, better than black widow and black panther imo

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you'd probably like
Angel Beats!
Wotakoi
Ranme 1/2
Infinite Stratos
Golden Boy
Ouran highschool Host Club
Clannad
ToraDora!
My Bride is a Mermaid
Mayo Chiki!


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Zangulus posted...

It's almost like the entire topic still exists and you could, in your infinite ability, go back and read it again... Getting you to actually understand is a whole other issue though.

no, you go back and extract whatever your point is that i didn't address from your scroll of ad homs and lies for me, i can't find it. it's almost like instead of writing all these useless posts all day long you can just get straight to the point.
who did you vote for in 2020

@adjl that is not what i've said, you're assuming killing in self defense is murder which it is not, murder is the premeditated killing of a human being, an abortion is premeditated as it is pre-planned and scheduled willingly, the child is a human being since conception, the child is alive, the process of abortion means killing it, hence it fulfills all the requirements to be murder, if someone attacks me and i kill him in self defense that is not premeditated, i didn't get up that morning planning to kill someone today, intent also matters as my intent was to protect my own life, not take another, if i shoot the attacker and he dies, him dying wasn't my primary goal. the main 3 things here are premeditated, intent and human being (which is why killing animals isn't murder).
this is murder for example because although not premeditated, his intent was to kill and not defend himself as he was clearly in no danger during the shooting
https://youtu.be/VU7ol1_pw6U?t=23

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guy12345 posted...

I'm desperately lonely and depressed

do a candida juicing cleanse diet for 3 months, work out and go out

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it's true, we measured the recent flood in new york with olympic swimming pools

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Lokarin posted...

She better not move to Texas cuz she just got like 600 abortions.

nah, what she did prevents abortions

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Zangulus posted...

It took you that long to basically just repeat what you already said, all the while still ignoring my original claim that you've been utterly unable to refute.

So yeah, I still don't owe you shit.

you are aware most conservatives have a life right? you know, that thing with a job and family and stuff? i know liberals such as you have all the time in world, but you'll have to be patient.

what was your original claim?
adjl posted...

You disagree with killing in self-defense, then? Or the aforementioned example of killing Hitler?

there is no extra human life lost in self defense, it was either your life or the attackers to begin with

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spelunky 2

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Blighboy posted...

Yes. White people.

all white people did something wrong to black people?

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adjl posted...

Have you ever stopped to consider why murder is actually bad?

nope, that notion seems pretty basic and uncontroversial, i never had any reason to question that notion and i can't imagine a reason other than wanting to justify and rationalize some murders.

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if i repeatedly built them you can point them out, like you should have been able to point out the wrong things in my previous post. seems you are unable to do neither.
the people with eyes and two brain cells to rub together can read my posts and the posts i replied to and decide for themselves who is truly strawmanning

straw man
/str man/
noun
noun: strawman
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

why

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

I just want to go on a date.

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