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She's not even showing cleavage and her dress/skirt is almost to her knees, with leggings underneath. Dafuq is wrong with this? It's perfectly modest.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

So as I said, respond to 4 If you want to ignore the rest.

OK

ChromaticAngel posted...

4. Can a pregnant woman accept any medical procedure done to her that would have an impact on the child such as a barium swallow test or an abdominal x-ray?

A professional should assess how much damage any medical procedure could potentially have on a pregnant woman's baby. An abdominal x-ray isn't going to terminate your child instantly, but it could have some negative effects. How important is it that this medical procedure be performed during pregnancy? Can it not wait? In most cases it probably can. But in cases where the mother's life is in danger, it might be worth taking the risk. That decision should be left up to the mother and the professional.

Again, I'm only asking for one simple thing. That human life, even at its earliest stages of development, be granted a right to life. You are asking much more complicated questions. Ones that can only be answered on a case by case basis. It really depends on the specific situation.

IMO abortions should only be permitted in cases of self defense. Same goes for bringing any other kind of harm to the baby. If it is necessary for the mother to stay alive, it should be up to the mother to either risk it, or go ahead with the procedure.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I just do not believe that your perception of abortion would be literally identical to what it is now had you never once so much as dabbled in religion.

Does that matter in this debate? There are atheists who argue pro-life exactly as I do.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

they at not nonsensical in the slightest.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

This one is more of a stretch

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I'm actually not sure where this one is going.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

This is another strange one.

lol
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I have a friend who makes ~$100k/yr and smokes weed daily. He's very professional and has his life together even better than I do, and I have literally never smoked weed.

(he's never high at work, smokes at night)
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MuayThai85 posted...

I just cooked her a steak because I felt bad for her.

Cooked meat is very bad for dogs. If you want to feed them meat, bone-in raw chicken is good.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

@Asherlee10 posted...

I wouldn't agree that human life begins at conception.

What species is that "thing" that was just conceived inside a pregnant woman's body? Is it alive? Answer these two questions honestly and I think you'll agree that it is indeed, by definition, a human life.

Asherlee10 posted...

There are some logical inconsistencies in both arguments you presented

Can you point out the logical inconsistencies? Perhaps I can clarify.

EDIT:
Regarding "human life" and when it begins (according to science) --
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

@Vindris_SNH - putting a bookmark in this. I need some uninterrupted time to put together a response and I'm sitting in a meeting right now.

Sounds good. Ttyl.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

First, abortions didn't exist back then. Second, the bible is the basis of christianty, of which you are a follower. Your beliefs may be based on your morals and values, but as a christian, you have the conditioning and predisposition to follow the morals and values of christianity, on at least a foundation level. It's not even necessarily conscious.

"But the bible doesn't say anything about abortion!"

It also doesn't say anything about guns, or airplanes or the internet or vaccines or robotic prosthetic limbs or carbon emissions or cell phones or air conditioning or credit cards or football or fast food. Why? That stuff wasn't around back then.

When something post-biblical comes into existence, people form opinions about it. Religious people form religion-oriented opinions because they form opinions based on their morals and values, which tend to be rooted in religion, even when they aren't specifically told by their text, their community, their leaders and peers to believe such things. It's not more complicated than that.

Let's assume that the only reason I'm pro-life is because of my religious background (which is false). So what? I can still make a logical argument for pro-life that has nothing to do with religion. What's the point of you bringing up the fact I have a religious background? What are you trying to prove? My religious background does not in any way make my logical arguments for pro-life less logical.
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"How are people still dumb"... said butthole666
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Scumbags? Yeah. Straight up evil? Nah.
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@Asherlee10 posted...

I wouldn't agree that human life begins at conception.

What species is that "thing" that was just conceived inside a pregnant woman's body? Is it alive? Answer these two questions honestly and I think you'll agree that it is indeed, by definition, a human life.

Asherlee10 posted...

There are some logical inconsistencies in both arguments you presented

Can you point out the logical inconsistencies? Perhaps I can clarify.

EDIT:
Regarding "human life" and when it begins (according to science) --
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
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ChromaticAngel posted...

ok, just stop for a second.

Lets assume that literally everyone in america suddenly agrees that life begins at conception and that literally a single-cell zygote is a full human with person rights and everything. Answer the following questions.

1. Can a pregnant woman claim the zygote as a dependent for taxes?
2. Can a pregnant woman enter a bar that does not allow anyone younger than 21 inside of it?
3. Can a pregnant woman have sex?
4. Can a pregnant woman accept any medical procedure done to her that would have an impact on the child such as a barium swallow test or an abdominal x-ray?
5. Can you imprison a pregnant woman?
6. If a pregnant woman is found to be a child abuser, do you take her unborn child away from her?

I could continue but I think you'll find the notion that a pregnant woman being considered merely shelter for a living human with full rights is much more logically inconsistent than otherwise.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. I'm talking about 1 right that, in my opinion, should be granted to all human life, regardless of what developmental stage they are currently in. The right to life. That's it. Your questions are... nonsensical tbh.
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Asherlee10 posted...

@Vindris_SNH posted...

@Asherlee10

So I was thinking about our debate on the way home from work last night, and a bit this morning.

I've come up with two reasonable lines of thinking, each from the opposite side of the abortion debate. These are arguments that can't logically be argued with, because they're perfectly logical. And this is why there is such a divide; because both sides have solid arguments.

The pro-choicer:

Yes, a human life begins at conception. But that human life, in its earliest stages of development, has not attained personhood; that is, it does not scientifically have the capacity to experience awareness, pain, feelings, or emotions, which are qualities we assign to actual persons who are granted basic rights. No harm is being done to a human fetus when it is terminated, because it does not possess the ability to experience physical or emotional pain.

^Is the above a statement that pro-choicers can agree with?

The pro-lifer:

Human life begins at conception. There should be no stipulation for granting the most basic rights to any human who has a future. Level of dependency and stage of development should have no bearing on whether a human is granted the right to life. Abortion is a disruption of normal human development. We should not assign rights to humans based on the developmental stage they are currently in. By doing this, we are denying the unborn their futures as fully developed members of the human race.

^Is the above a statement that pro-lifers can agree with?

If these statements are agreed upon, there's not really much of a debate to be had. Neither stance is flat out wrong, as far as I can tell.

Ha! You're really hitting on something and I agree with your points. The pro-choice argument you listed doesn't exactly align with my stance, but it doesn't matter. It isn't the exact contents of the arguments that's important, it's that you are seeing that this discussion will actually never reach a conclusion.

One side comes from a school of thought based on one set of beliefs. The other comes from another school of thought based on another set of beliefs.

We've been arguing about personhood for over 100 years. I think it will take people a lot smarter than any of us to really sort it out.

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't ever discuss or debate these topics. We can have eye-opening moments as we learn about each other's opinions and stances and even have our own beliefs altered. I've had my mind changed on tons of opinions as I've gone through life.

On changing opinions; same here. A wise person will always have an open mind. They'll always be looking for someone to prove them wrong, and willing to accept when they're wrong.

Out of curiosity, what specifically do you not agree with in the pro-choice argument I laid out?

Also, does the pro-life argument I laid out make logical sense to you?
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MK64 or GTFO
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@Asherlee10

So I was thinking about our debate on the way home from work last night, and a bit this morning.

I've come up with two reasonable lines of thinking, each from the opposite side of the abortion debate. These are arguments that can't logically be argued with, because they're perfectly logical. And this is why there is such a divide; because both sides have solid arguments.

The pro-choicer:

Yes, a human life begins at conception. But that human life, in its earliest stages of development, has not attained personhood; that is, it does not scientifically have the capacity to experience awareness, pain, feelings, or emotions, which are qualities we assign to actual persons who are granted basic rights. No harm is being done to a human fetus when it is terminated, because it does not possess the ability to experience physical or emotional pain.

^Is the above a statement that pro-choicers can agree with?

The pro-lifer:

Human life begins at conception. There should be no stipulation for granting the most basic rights to any human who has a future. Level of dependency and stage of development should have no bearing on whether a human is granted the right to life. Abortion is a disruption of normal human development. We should not assign rights to humans based on the developmental stage they are currently in. By doing this, we are denying the unborn their futures as fully developed members of the human race.

^Is the above a statement that pro-lifers can agree with?

If these statements are agreed upon, there's not really much of a debate to be had. Neither stance is flat out wrong, as far as I can tell.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Also Vindris, are you just pro-life for your own personal volition or do you want to see it imposed on others?

I believe in the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all human beings. I believe abortion should be considered murder in our country, excluding cases of defense of the mother's life. And I will vote to that end for the rest of my life, as I did in the 2016 election.

Would you support things like sex education and ease of access to contraceptives?

Preventing unwanted pregnancies is probably the most effective way of preventing abortion from even becoming an issue and it's pretty well demonstrated that states restrictive on sex ed have much higher abortion rates due to a larger number of unwanted pregnancies.

Absolutely 100%, I support sex ed. Contraceptives are easily accessible because they're at Wal-Mart, and they're very cheap; the government doesn't need to intervene here.
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@Asherlee10

Asherlee10 posted...

Paragraph 1: I don't think you are correct about why murder is not permissible in our society. Murder is not permissible because it ends the life of someone with a right to life. Right to life is assigned based on personhood. This is why ending the life of someone in a coma is not illegal or morally impermissible.

Ending the life of a person is a way of terminating their future as a human. I don't think any of our laws have anything to do with personhood. And I say "I don't think" because I'm honestly not sure. But is the word "personhood" mentioned anywhere in our laws regarding the protection of human life, or anywhere in our laws regarding abortion?

Murder is wrong because you are denying a human being their future. If you're ending the life of a human vegetable who has a 0% chance to recover, you're not terminating their future, because they don't have one, because they're permanently braindead. The same cannot be said for a developing human life inside a mother.

Asherlee10 posted...

Paragraph 2: I think you are misunderstanding viability in this context. When we assign personhood or rights to a person, it is based on physical viability, not the actions they can take. That viability is related to: Can they breathe on their own? Can they digest food on their own? They are bodily functions, not actions you take.

So personhood is based on viability? Why should a less developed human life have less value than a more developed one? Are infants less valuable than toddlers? Are toddlers less valuable than teenagers? Are teenagers less valuable than adults? A human is a human. Their current stage of development should not, in my opinion, determine whether or not they are granted the most basic right to life.

Asherlee10 posted...

Paragraph 3: Personhood and viability is the core of the abortion discussion. That is why it is still a discussion. But what I can tell you is that we do not assign right to life to beings who are not viable.

Indeed.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

I wasn't trying to use that statement as a logical argument. I wasn't trying to appeal to anyone's prejudices. I was expressing my opinion.

"I was appealing to emotion, but in that moment I'll claim I wasn't using it as a logical argument so it doesn't count."

"When have I appealed to emotion? Oh but don't use any of the countless other times I've argued about this. You can only use statements from this topic, and only when I tell you I'm making actual arguments."

"My opinion on abortion has nothing to do with my religion. Except I've said in the past that it totally does, but I realize that kills my argument so I'll pretend as if my belief is totally secular now."

"This isn't scientific proof so it's inadmissible. But Christianity is truth."

You're a walking contradiction.

It's almost like he had this "brilliant" idea one day...

"I'm religious and pro-life, but when I argue with secular people who are not pro-life, they don't take me seriously and I can't convince them I'm right! Maybe if I claim my pro-life views to be secular, they will listen..."

And then he cites a source of secular pro-life views written by someone who basically prefaces her arguments with "Yep I am a pro-life atheist and when I've written stuff before, people have totally accused me me of being religious and only pretending to be atheist. That totally isn't true, but I have to mention that to the readers in case they think that." (Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. Who's to say? I personally do not care. The article didn't have enough substance)

@ImTheMacheteGuy
@That_Happened

I'd like either of you to show me where in the Bible it says abortion is murder. You keep claiming that my religious beliefs are the only reason I am pro-life; yet nowhere in the Bible is abortion addressed. So how can my stance on abortion have anything to do with the Bible?
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Asherlee10 posted...

Paragraph 1: I don't think you are correct about why murder is not permissible in our society. Murder is not permissible because it ends the life of someone with a right to life. Right to life is assigned based on personhood. This is why ending the life of someone in a coma is not illegal or morally impermissible.

But the end of their life is simply another way of saying that you've denied them a future.

Sorry but the rest I'll have to come back to tomorrow. I'll put a track on this thread, because I don't mind debating with you @Asherlee10
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Are you being facetious or do you really not know?

I've heard people define it differently. That's why I'm asking him.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Also Vindris, are you just pro-life for your own personal volition or do you want to see it imposed on others?

I believe in the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all human beings. I believe abortion should be considered murder in our country, excluding cases of defense of the mother's life. And I will vote to that end for the rest of my life, as I did in the 2016 election.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Incorrect. This is why I'm pro-life:
http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/

The problem I see with this is it hinges on the potential for life, which has a fundamental flaw. I think it's best addressed with another excerpt:

a fetus’s potential for being a person does not provide a basis for the claim that it has a significant right to life. Even if a potential person has some right to life, that right could not outweigh the right of a woman to obtain an abortion, since “the rights of any actual person invariably outweigh those of any potential person”

Why is murder wrong? Would you say it has anything to do with a person's potential future?

I'm not sure why you think that's related. Murder isn't permissible because you are taking the life of a person who has personhood. Viability.

Would you say it's murder to 'pull the plug' on people in cortical death?

I gave a pretty big hint as to why I think it's related in my second question. You're saying my argument hinges on the "potential for life". My point was that murder is considered morally wrong for the exact same reason. The future life of a human. When you murder someone, their future is terminated. The exact same thing happens when you abort a newly conceived human life.

And let's talk about viability. Specifically, I believe you are referring to fetal viability. This is the ability for a fetus to survive outside the uterus. So along the lines of viability, why is infanticide not legal? After all, the infant is not viable, in that they still cannot take care of themselves for at least a few years. Why is fetal viability so important in determining this concept you call "personhood"? What about their viability without nurturing parents or caregivers?

By the way, what is personhood, exactly? Is personhood based in science? Do we even have a clear definition of personhood? And if not, why are we using "personhood" in our arguments for or against abortion?
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That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.

Your very first post was an emotional appeal!

Vindris_SNH posted...

Calling abortions "unprofessional" is a profound understatement.

You do not understand what an emotional appeal is.

An emotional appeal is when you bring something that is dishonest as a logical argument that appeals to the prejudices of the listener/reader, rather than a sober assessment of the situation. Trying to equate the legal definition of a doctor "behaving unprofessionally" to your moral position on legal abortion is absolutely an emotional appeal.

This...
Vindris_SNH posted...

Calling abortions "unprofessional" is a profound understatement.

... Does not fit your definition of "emotional appeal".

I wasn't trying to use that statement as a logical argument. I wasn't trying to appeal to anyone's prejudices. I was expressing my opinion.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.

Your very first post was an emotional appeal!

Vindris_SNH posted...

Calling abortions "unprofessional" is a profound understatement.

You do not understand what an emotional appeal is.

Second time I'm asking to you enlighten us. Let's see how you define it and then apply your definition to your posts.

Don't weasel out, back up your claim.

Emotional appeal is when you attempt to persuade someone by inciting an emotional response.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Incorrect. This is why I'm pro-life:
http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/

The problem I see with this is it hinges on the potential for life, which has a fundamental flaw. I think it's best addressed with another excerpt:

a fetus’s potential for being a person does not provide a basis for the claim that it has a significant right to life. Even if a potential person has some right to life, that right could not outweigh the right of a woman to obtain an abortion, since “the rights of any actual person invariably outweigh those of any potential person”

Why is murder wrong? Would you say it has anything to do with a person's potential future?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Also consider the fact that we're talking to someone who has literally made the following two statements:

Maybe try and consider what I've posted in this thread, and not just things I've said in other threads. What you're doing is called deflecting.

Actually it's called discrediting, and he is doing a damn good job of it.

It's not discrediting at all to the points I've made in this thread. It is a deflection. What I have brought up in this thread has not been shut down, and is not any less valid because of something I said in a different thread.
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That_Happened posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.

Your very first post was an emotional appeal!

Vindris_SNH posted...

Calling abortions "unprofessional" is a profound understatement.

You do not understand what an emotional appeal is.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Biblical fact with no scientific evidence whatsoever: Human life begins at conception. We're not talking about potential life. Abortion terminates the life of a human. He is already living.

I'm not sure that is relevant to abortion because rights take precedent. Banning abortion strips rights away from the mother (who has personhood) and transfers it to a fetus that does not have personhood. Rights are assigned to persons.

Fixed his post in your quote for you :)

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin/
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That_Happened posted...

Also consider the fact that we're talking to someone who has literally made the following two statements:

Maybe try and consider what I've posted in this thread, and not just things I've said in other threads. What you're doing is called deflecting.
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That_Happened posted...

These are all from just a month ago.

And not from this thread.

Vindris_SNH posted...

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Yes, we get the topics gone over your head. No need to inform us once again.

Boy you sure turned that one around on me!

I didn't really care too and I wouldn't have responded again either but it's pretty fucking hilarious that you're gonna call someone out for making an "emotional appeal" when that's literally all you've done.

Nothing you've said in this topic has been anything but emotional appeal. Pretty sad if you can't see that yourself.

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.

Every single post.


Here's just one example though from your last post "again, my concern for the living is exactly why I'm pro-life".

You not only demonstrate a hilarious hypocrisy because you aren't concerned for the living, you're concerned for one group of the living, fetuses. Even that is estentially saying my moral code dictates my stance, I.E. I'm making an emotional decision.

You clearly don't understand what an emotional appeal is.
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That_Happened posted...

That is what your argument says

No, it is not.

That_Happened posted...

No, your argument is the emotional appeal. What I am talking about is what actually happens when people are refused the right to abortion. What you are talking about is entirely speculative, and completely based on your emotions--remember, you are the one who says anyone who is pro-choice is reprehensible scum of the Earth. So don't kid yourself about which side is based in emotion.

Just because something actually happens doesn't mean the way you are presenting your argument isn't using emotional appeal. Nothing I've presented in this thread is based on emotion.

That_Happened posted...

No, your lack of care for legal human beings because you think they're reprehensible if they consider abortion, and your romanticized beliefs on what pregnancy actually is, is why you're pro-life.

Incorrect. This is why I'm pro-life:
http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Yes, we get the topics gone over your head. No need to inform us once again.

Boy you sure turned that one around on me!

I didn't really care too and I wouldn't have responded again either but it's pretty fucking hilarious that you're gonna call someone out for making an "emotional appeal" when that's literally all you've done.

Nothing you've said in this topic has been anything but emotional appeal. Pretty sad if you can't see that yourself.

Feel free to cite and explain a single emotional appeal I've made in this thread.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Yes, we get the topics gone over your head. No need to inform us once again.

Boy you sure turned that one around on me!
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That_Happened posted...

you've always said: The potentially existing matter more than the already existing

Never once said that.

That_Happened posted...

I cannot in good faith tell parents of 2 that they have to be parents of 3 because of an accident that they tried their best to prevent. I cannot tell a pregnant 16 year old to all but doom her and her child to a life of poverty because of a mistake she made. I cannot imagine telling a woman who was raped "hey, put your trauma aside and think of the child you could be raising that reminds you of your attacker on a daily basis for the rest of your life."

Emotional appeal.

That_Happened posted...

The rights of the living will (and should) always come before the rights of potential life.

Scientific fact: Human life begins at conception. We're not talking about potential life. Abortion terminates the life of a human. He is already living.

That_Happened posted...

To suggest otherwise, because of Jesus

The article I posted does a pretty good job of explaining exactly why I am pro-life. It has nothing to do with religion. Your "but he's religious" crutch is wearing thin.

That_Happened posted...

it shows a complete lack of care for the living.

Again, my concern for the living is exactly why I am pro-life.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

Zeeak4444 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

This isn't really an issue about abortion, it's about fucking over the whole medical profession just to get at abortion providers.

How dare those lawmakers attempt to protect human life!

By taking away the very livelihood of those who worked their asses off to become doctors for something they did (as part of their job) before it was punishable

By this logic we should leave the "executioners of the homosexual" alone because their livelihood depends on them being able to execute homosexuals in places like Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Somalia.

1) that's not the country we're discussing
2) I doubt they're making money as a day job doing it
3) what a stupid fucking post. Really contending for the "laughable argument of the year" award.

*whoosh*
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

This isn't really an issue about abortion, it's about fucking over the whole medical profession just to get at abortion providers.

How dare those lawmakers attempt to protect human life!

By taking away the very livelihood of those who worked their asses off to become doctors for something they did (as part of their job) before it was punishable

By this logic we should leave the "executioners of the homosexual" alone because their livelihood depends on them being able to execute homosexuals in places like Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Somalia.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

unpleasant_milk posted...

Human life matters.

ftfy
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

hollow_shrine posted...

Solidifying your definitions of human life/human beings and murder

Firstly, I never used the term "murder". You are straw manning here. Abortion is not murder based on our current laws. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human.

Second, my definition of "human life" is the exact same definition that science has for it.
http://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin/
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

@That_Happened and others

Here's a great piece, written by a secular pro-lifer. It more eloquently explains my stance on abortion than I could.

http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

That_Happened posted...

Bullshit. Your whole stance is two pronged:

1. Anyone who is pro-choice is a despicable human
2. "Life begins at conception, look it up."

You clearly don't understand my "whole stance".

"My stance has nothing to with my religion, just my perception of reality, which is not all influenced by my deeply religious values and would be the same perception had I never exposed myself to religion."

Pro-life atheists exist. Enough said.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

hollow_shrine posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

This isn't really an issue about abortion, it's about fucking over the whole medical profession just to get at abortion providers.

How dare those lawmakers attempt to protect human life!

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I'm not going to start playing semantics here. I'm not going to start defending my stance on abortion against your convoluted and contrived rhetoric. People who think like you do, and who operate in a manner that defies your own natural instincts to preserve human life, cannot be reasoned with in regards to abortion. It would be an absolute waste of my time.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

That_Happened posted...

Bullshit. Your whole stance is two pronged:

1. Anyone who is pro-choice is a despicable human
2. "Life begins at conception, look it up."

You clearly don't understand my "whole stance".
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

WTF that's my dog!
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

No idea how many dudes have looked over to see my penis while I was using a public urinal.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

ChromaticAngel posted...

This isn't really an issue about abortion, it's about fucking over the whole medical profession just to get at abortion providers.

How dare those lawmakers attempt to protect human life!
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

That_Happened posted...

Fortunately our country's laws and regulations aren't restricted to the moral code of Bible thumpers.

My stance on abortion has nothing to do with the Bible.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

Calling abortions "unprofessional" is a profound understatement.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?

businesses have a constitutional right to discriminate against lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.

I say, let businesses discriminate. See how long they last. They will be boycotted into the ground.
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glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall
ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants?