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Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:04:46 PM #255:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Asherlee10 posted... That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights. I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition. I agree with this I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps. Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886830302] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights.</quote> I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition.</quote> I agree with this</quote> I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps.</quote> Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:05:27 PM #256:	ChromaticAngel posted... Zodd3224 posted... Well, sorry if my compasion for the growing life is seen as not having compassion for women to you. You don't have compassion for growing life. So true. You can especially tell with this line: Zodd3224 posted... That's a far different case than someone too lazy/stupid to use birth control and using abortion as birth control. This is the statement of someone who wants to punish women they consider "stupid," and not someone who wants to help them or protect the unborn. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886830344] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote> Well, sorry if my compasion for the growing life is seen as not having compassion for women to you.</quote> You don't have compassion for growing life.</quote> So true. You can especially tell with this line: <cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>That's a far different case than someone too lazy/stupid to use birth control and using abortion as birth control.</quote> This is the statement of someone who wants to punish women they consider "stupid," and not someone who wants to help them or protect the unborn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:06:20 PM #257:	That_Happened posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Zodd3224 posted... Well, sorry if my compasion for the growing life is seen as not having compassion for women to you. You don't have compassion for growing life. So true. You can especially tell with this line: Zodd3224 posted... That's a far different case than someone too lazy/stupid to use birth control and using abortion as birth control. This is the statement of someone who wants to punish women they consider "stupid," and not someone who wants to help them or protect the unborn. Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886830384] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote> Well, sorry if my compasion for the growing life is seen as not having compassion for women to you.</quote> You don't have compassion for growing life.</quote> So true. You can especially tell with this line: <cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>That's a far different case than someone too lazy/stupid to use birth control and using abortion as birth control.</quote> This is the statement of someone who wants to punish women they consider "stupid," and not someone who wants to help them or protect the unborn.</quote> Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:08:18 PM #258:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Asherlee10 posted... That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights. I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition. I agree with this I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps. Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. I never said it did. What relevance would that even have? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886830496] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights.</quote> I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition.</quote> I agree with this</quote> I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps.</quote> Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species.</quote> I never said it did. What relevance would that even have?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:10:41 PM #259:	Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Asherlee10 posted... As we have already been over this, there is no concrete consensus in the scientific community about the moment human life sparks That has not been a discussion. It has been you denying proven scientific fact. "The life of a human being begins at conception" is a 100% scientifically accurate statement. Don't let yourself remain ignorant on this. I implore you to educate yourself. Personhood and viability are separate issues, but the beginning of human life is scientifically not up for debate. It begins at conception. @Asherlee10 posted... I understand that is when you think human life sparks. Again there is not a scientific consensus on this, I'm sorry to tell you that. Again, I'm sorry to tell you that you're misinformed. Educate yourself. I'll provide links below to help you out. http://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin/ https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html Vindris, we have discussed this at length already. I have no doubt that you can provide articles that back up when you think human life and personhood should begin. I can do the same for my stance. We can go 1-for-1 in sources until the cows come home. That does not change the fact that there is no scientific consensus on the matter. If there was, there would no longer be an abortion debate and the laws would be crystal clear. That is, unfortunately, not the case. I'm also not sure how much more I clearly I can convey that to you. You cannot provide me with any scientific evidence that human life does not begin at conception. But I encourage you to try. And let me reiterate, the beginning of human life (conception), and personhood are two separate things. Abortion laws are not based on when human life begins (at least not anymore). These days, abortion laws are kept intact because of ideas like "personhood", which we've gone into in this thread. But I'm not talking about personhood. I'm simply talking about when a human life begins. And that concept is fully understood and accepted by the scientific community. Human life begins at conception. That is 100% scientific fact. Here's a good read for you: https://rewire.news/article/2012/11/04/life-begins-at-conception-thats-not-point-0/ That's not a view I agree with, but it explains why someone like you (a pro-choicer) should not be arguing that life doesn't begin at conception (because science proves that human life begins at conception). We, as a society, are past this debate. Maybe that's something you didn't realize, but I hope you can accept it. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886830647] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>As we have already been over this, there is no concrete consensus in the scientific community about the moment human life sparks</quote> That has not been a discussion. It has been you denying proven scientific fact. "The life of a human being begins at conception" is a 100% scientifically accurate statement. Don't let yourself remain ignorant on this. I implore you to educate yourself. Personhood and viability are separate issues, but the beginning of human life is scientifically not up for debate. It begins at conception. <cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I understand that is when you think human life sparks. Again there is not a scientific consensus on this, I'm sorry to tell you that.</quote> Again, I'm sorry to tell you that you're misinformed. Educate yourself. I'll provide links below to help you out. http://www.justfactsdaily.com/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin/ https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html</quote> Vindris, we have discussed this at length already. I have no doubt that you can provide articles that back up when you think human life and personhood should begin. I can do the same for my stance. We can go 1-for-1 in sources until the cows come home. That does not change the fact that there is no scientific consensus on the matter. If there was, there would no longer be an abortion debate and the laws would be crystal clear. That is, unfortunately, not the case. I'm also not sure how much more I clearly I can convey that to you.</quote> You cannot provide me with any scientific evidence that human life does not begin at conception. But I encourage you to try. And let me reiterate, the beginning of human life (conception), and personhood are two separate things. Abortion laws are not based on when human life begins (at least not anymore). These days, abortion laws are kept intact because of ideas like "personhood", which we've gone into in this thread. But I'm not talking about personhood. I'm simply talking about when a human life begins. And that concept is fully understood and accepted by the scientific community. Human life begins at conception. That is 100% scientific fact. Here's a good read for you: https://rewire.news/article/2012/11/04/life-begins-at-conception-thats-not-point-0/ That's not a view I agree with, but it explains why someone like you (a pro-choicer) should not be arguing that life doesn't begin at conception (because science proves that human life begins at conception). We, as a society, are past this debate. Maybe that's something you didn't realize, but I hope you can accept it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 2:12:55 PM #260:	Zodd3224 posted... Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame. 1. No he is not. Not in every case. 2. Men don't get pregnant. If they did, all my sentiments would apply as well. 3. I do sympathize with men who have to pay child support for children they didn't want. They should be covered by social entitlements. any other questions? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886830767] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote> Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame. </quote> 1. No he is not. Not in every case. 2. Men don't get pregnant. If they did, all my sentiments would apply as well. 3. I do sympathize with men who have to pay child support for children they didn't want. They should be covered by social entitlements. any other questions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:14:09 PM #261:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Asherlee10 posted... That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights. I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition. I agree with this I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps. Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. I never said it did. What relevance would that even have? I posted and Zodd said "I agree with this" You said "I don't" My entire post was about the fact human life begins at conception. Which tells me you disagree with the scientific fact that human life begins at conception. Then you said "I had no self awareness as a zygote", implying that the reason you believe human life doesn't start at conception is because, at conception, the zygote does not have self awareness. Then I presented you with the fact that your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. ... Are you following this now? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886830825] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights.</quote> I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition.</quote> I agree with this</quote> I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps.</quote> Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species.</quote> I never said it did. What relevance would that even have?</quote> I posted and Zodd said "I agree with this" You said "I don't" My entire post was about the fact human life begins at conception. Which tells me you disagree with the scientific fact that human life begins at conception. Then you said "I had no self awareness as a zygote", implying that the reason you believe human life doesn't start at conception is because, at conception, the zygote does not have self awareness. Then I presented you with the fact that your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. ... Are you following this now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:18:09 PM #262:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... @Asherlee10 posted... That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights. I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition. I agree with this I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps. Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. I never said it did. What relevance would that even have? I posted and Zodd said "I agree with this" You said "I don't" My entire post was about the fact human life begins at conception. Which tells me you disagree with the scientific fact that human life begins at conception. Then you said "I had no self awareness as a zygote", implying that the reason you believe human life doesn't start at conception is because, at conception, the zygote does not have self awareness. Then I presented you with the fact that your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. ... Are you following this now? This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886831059] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>That's the thing. You're defining life as you subjectively see it, as am I. The potential for life argument doesn't rest well with me, which is why viability is my marker of personhood. And I strictly speak about personhood in terms of the law and assigning rights.</quote> I'm not subjectively defining life. That is what you are doing. I'm trying to help you understand how, scientifically, human life begins at conception. You don't have to agree with that, but then you'd be wrong. A newly formed zygote, at the moment of conception, is an individual human being. Sex is determined at conception. He (or she) has unique human DNA. By scientific definition, the newly conceived human zygote is the beginning of a human life. Let me try and make this concept even more simple for you. When did your life, as a living being, begin? Were you not at one time a newly conceived zygote? At that point were you not genetically the same as you are now? Were you not, at that moment of conception, part of the human race? You see a human zygote isn't just a zygote. It is a human zygote. It is a human life. That is, by scientific definition.</quote> I agree with this</quote> I don't. I had no self awareness as a zygote. I could have been aborted instead of being put up for adoption and that is fine by me. I consider it a coin flip. Had that been the case, I would have ceased to exist before i could know I existed. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I still don't have any evidence to confirm whether or not I would have been better off that way. Another coin flip perhaps.</quote> Your cognitive abilities do not determine your species.</quote> I never said it did. What relevance would that even have?</quote> I posted and Zodd said "I agree with this" You said "I don't" My entire post was about the fact human life begins at conception. Which tells me you disagree with the scientific fact that human life begins at conception. Then you said "I had no self awareness as a zygote", implying that the reason you believe human life doesn't start at conception is because, at conception, the zygote does not have self awareness. Then I presented you with the fact that your cognitive abilities do not determine your species. ... Are you following this now?</quote> This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:18:44 PM #263:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886831089] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:21:09 PM #264:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886831214] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 2:21:23 PM #265:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Who cares? What is the significance? do you think people who would rather rescue the family dog from a flood instead of a human are also killers? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886831225] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Who cares? What is the significance? do you think people who would rather rescue the family dog from a flood instead of a human are also killers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:22:12 PM #266:	Zodd3224 posted... Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame. You two were talking about empathy toward the woman, so I was just going with that. But ignoring that, your statement is still only about punishing people for making decisions you consider "irresponsible." It has little to do with helping them or protecting the unborn. The pro-choice opinion is about empathy for already-living people in this impossible situation, and how to help them. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886831278] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it just women? The man is just as much to blame.</quote> You two were talking about empathy toward the woman, so I was just going with that. But ignoring that, your statement is still only about punishing people for making decisions you consider "irresponsible." It has little to do with helping them or protecting the unborn. The pro-choice opinion is about empathy for already-living people in this impossible situation, and how to help them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:22:55 PM #267:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? Answer me and I'll tell you why. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886831319] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> Answer me and I'll tell you why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:24:28 PM #268:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? Answer me and I'll tell you why. Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886831424] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> Answer me and I'll tell you why.</quote> Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:25:25 PM #269:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? Answer me and I'll tell you why. Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why. I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886831490] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> Answer me and I'll tell you why.</quote> Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why.</quote> I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:27:41 PM #270:	Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886831615] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:28:38 PM #271:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? Answer me and I'll tell you why. Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why. I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? You do not dictate the conversation and I don't cater to people who speak down to me. I would literally rather send a bullet through my skull than answer your question, but nothing is obligated to decide between the two, which is convenient. If you can't make a point without speaking down to someone, you don't have a point to make. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886831669] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> Answer me and I'll tell you why.</quote> Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why.</quote> I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> You do not dictate the conversation and I don't cater to people who speak down to me. I would literally rather send a bullet through my skull than answer your question, but nothing is obligated to decide between the two, which is convenient. If you can't make a point without speaking down to someone, you don't have a point to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:29:31 PM #272:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? Why do you care? Answer me and I'll tell you why. Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why. I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of? You do not dictate the conversation and I don't cater to people who speak down to me. I would literally rather send a bullet through my skull than answer your question, but nothing is obligated to decide between the two, which is convenient. If you can't make a point without speaking down to someone, you don't have a point to make. I'm not speaking down to you. I asked a simple question. You don't want to answer for fear of what it will prove. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886831726] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't explain what species has to do with anything</quote> What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> Why do you care?</quote> Answer me and I'll tell you why.</quote> Oooh look at this guy, all tellin' people what to do :P I guess you won't be telling me why.</quote> I will if you answer my question. The one I asked before you started deflecting. Here it is again: What species is a newly formed human zygote a member of?</quote> You do not dictate the conversation and I don't cater to people who speak down to me. I would literally rather send a bullet through my skull than answer your question, but nothing is obligated to decide between the two, which is convenient. If you can't make a point without speaking down to someone, you don't have a point to make.</quote> I'm not speaking down to you. I asked a simple question. You don't want to answer for fear of what it will prove.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 2:31:14 PM #273:	Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though. you still haven't explained why abortion is immoral. Just that you feel it is, in ever ingreasingly verbose ways, such as this post. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886831828] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though.</quote> you still haven't explained why abortion is immoral. Just that you feel it is, in ever ingreasingly verbose ways, such as this post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:33:51 PM #274:	(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886831996] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote>(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:36:52 PM #275:	ChromaticAngel posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though. you still haven't explained why abortion is immoral. Just that you feel it is, in ever ingreasingly verbose ways, such as this post. I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886832193] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. In the case of the child being in constant physical agony all the time, the humane thing to do there would be abortion. That is an extreme and rare case though.</quote> you still haven't explained why abortion is immoral. Just that you feel it is, in ever ingreasingly verbose ways, such as this post.</quote> I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:37:55 PM #276:	Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886832251] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:39:27 PM #277:	That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886832342] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:40:16 PM #278:	Zodd3224 posted... That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. Why do you think what they did was wrong? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886832382] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> Why do you think what they did was wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:40:20 PM #279:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... (Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it. The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886832386] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it.</quote> The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:41:40 PM #280:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... (Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it. The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with. Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886832460] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it.</quote> The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with.</quote> Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:41:52 PM #281:	That_Happened posted... And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. More emotional appeal from That_Happened. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886832467] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> More emotional appeal from That_Happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:42:27 PM #282:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... (Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it. The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with. Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove. I already did. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886832495] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it.</quote> The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with.</quote> Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove.</quote> I already did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:44:01 PM #283:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... (Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it. The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with. Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove. I already did. Wait what? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886832595] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>(Impossible to edit out quotes on phone) What are you under the misconception that it will prove? You repeated a question that I already adressed and you also ignored another user who said the same thing I did with more elaboration. If you think you have the capabilities to prove something, just do it.</quote> The answer to the question is "human". The newly conceived human zygote is a human life. Which is what you said you didn't agree with.</quote> Okay so now prove that thing you said you were going to prove.</quote> I already did.</quote> Wait what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:44:38 PM #284:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Wait what? How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886832625] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Wait what?</quote> How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:44:41 PM #285:	Vindris_SNH posted... That_Happened posted... And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. More emotional appeal from That_Happened. Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886832628] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> More emotional appeal from That_Happened.</quote> Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:46:49 PM #286:	That_Happened posted... Vindris_SNH posted... That_Happened posted... And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. More emotional appeal from That_Happened. Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris. Zodd hasn't falsely accused me of emotional appeal. You have. So I'm going to call you out on it. Specifically you. And only you. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886832762] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> More emotional appeal from That_Happened.</quote> Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris.</quote> Zodd hasn't falsely accused me of emotional appeal. You have. So I'm going to call you out on it. Specifically you. And only you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:47:27 PM #287:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. Why do you think what they did was wrong? Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886832791] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> Why do you think what they did was wrong?</quote> Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:47:34 PM #288:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Wait what? How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread? So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886832800] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Wait what?</quote> How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread?</quote> So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 2:48:39 PM #289:	Zodd3224 posted... I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human. You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886832852] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human.</quote> You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:48:55 PM #290:	That_Happened posted... Vindris_SNH posted... That_Happened posted... And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. More emotional appeal from That_Happened. Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris. How is stating what I would do emotional appeal? --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886832871] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> More emotional appeal from That_Happened.</quote> Zodd: If I got a woman pregnant, I couldn't abort. It's not the child's fault, and I couldn't live with myself. That_Happened: Well on the flipside of that here's an example of someone who could, and they didn't like it, but it was necessary for them to do it. Vindris only calls out ONE of these people for appeal to emotion STFU already, Vindris.</quote> How is stating what I would do emotional appeal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:50:36 PM #291:	Zodd3224 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. Why do you think what they did was wrong? Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50 --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886832970] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> Why do you think what they did was wrong?</quote> Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:51:38 PM #292:	ChromaticAngel posted... Zodd3224 posted... I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human. You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that? How many more times would you like me to say it? Yes. Because it is human, or at the very least on the verge of becoming human if its not killed. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886833012] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human.</quote> You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that?</quote> How many more times would you like me to say it? Yes. Because it is human, or at the very least on the verge of becoming human if its not killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:51:44 PM #293:	Zodd3224 posted... How is stating my beliefs emotional appeal? I don't know. You gave your beliefs, I gave the opposing belief, Vindris said my statement was an emotional appeal, so therefore yours would have to be too. If you want an explanation you'll have to ask him. Zodd3224 posted... Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886833020] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>How is stating my beliefs emotional appeal?</quote> I don't know. You gave your beliefs, I gave the opposing belief, Vindris said my statement was an emotional appeal, so therefore yours would have to be too. If you want an explanation you'll have to ask him. <cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:52:21 PM #294:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. Why do you think what they did was wrong? Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50 You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886833052] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> Why do you think what they did was wrong?</quote> Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50</quote> You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 2:55:19 PM #295:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Wait what? How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread? So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean. I literally outlined how the entire convo went for you already. Here we go again. - I said human life starts at conception. - Another poster agreed. - You said you disagreed with human life beginning at conception. - You stated "zygotes have no self awareness", suggesting you think human life starts at the point of self awareness. - I said "cognitive abilities do not determine your species". - You denied your previous claim in which you suggested human life starts after self awareness (a cognitive development). - You asked me what relevance "species" has. - I explained that a zygote is a human. It is alive. Therefore it is a human life, shutting down your theory that cognitive ability has anything to do with whether or not you are a human. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886833212] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Wait what?</quote> How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread?</quote> So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean.</quote> I literally outlined how the entire convo went for you already. Here we go again. - I said human life starts at conception. - Another poster agreed. - You said you disagreed with human life beginning at conception. - You stated "zygotes have no self awareness", suggesting you think human life starts at the point of self awareness. - I said "cognitive abilities do not determine your species". - You denied your previous claim in which you suggested human life starts after self awareness (a cognitive development). - You asked me what relevance "species" has. - I explained that a zygote is a human. It is alive. Therefore it is a human life, shutting down your theory that cognitive ability has anything to do with whether or not you are a human.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 2:57:47 PM #296:	Zodd3224 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Zodd3224 posted... That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live. And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice. Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion. Why do you think what they did was wrong? Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50 You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive. If I wasnt, I wouldn't even know. Still 50/50. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886833334] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Let me put it this way. If I got a woman pregnant that I did not want to I would not let her abort that child. I would do everything in my power to make sure the child lives and raise it on my own if i had to. Its not the child's fault that the parents are poor or got knocked up on accident. They created it, it is their responsibilty to at least let it live.</quote> And that's good for you. But it depends on the situation. I know a woman who got an abortion, but she was married with kids at the time. She and her husband were careful and did use birth control, and they still managed to conceive. They had no room and no money for another child. So after weighing all the options they decided to terminate. And it was terrible and she still feels awful about it to this day. But it was the correct choice for them. They aren't evil, they weren't irresponsible, but they were put in a position where they had no choice.</quote> Like I said, if you can live with yourself after, that is on you. I couldnt. I think what they did is wrong, but that's just my opinion.</quote> Why do you think what they did was wrong?</quote> Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> I was put up for adoption and whether or not that was the right call over abortion, as I've already stated, is a coin flip. 50/50</quote> You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive.</quote> If I wasnt, I wouldn't even know. Still 50/50.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/18/17 2:58:52 PM #297:	That_Happened posted... Zodd3224 posted... How is stating my beliefs emotional appeal? I don't know. You gave your beliefs, I gave the opposing belief, Vindris said my statement was an emotional appeal, so therefore yours would have to be too. If you want an explanation you'll have to ask him. Zodd3224 posted... Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption. They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives. I understand how hard that would have been for them. I couldnt afford a 2nd child of my own, didnt plan on one. My wife wasnt consistently taking birth control, but we took precautions. Yet she got pregnant a 2nd time. It has been really difficult financially because she stopped working with the 2nd one, but we sacrificed. And I couldnt be happier we did, even though our situation is still very tight. And my mother had me at 39 years old and I am a perfectly healthy functioning member of society with a family of my own now. --- "Must of dabed in the wrong neighborhood." - Mr. Dab <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:886833394] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>How is stating my beliefs emotional appeal?</quote> I don't know. You gave your beliefs, I gave the opposing belief, Vindris said my statement was an emotional appeal, so therefore yours would have to be too. If you want an explanation you'll have to ask him. <cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Not having room or enough money isnt a valid excuse, IMO. If it was somehow literally impossible for them to raise a 3rd child, put it up for adoption.</quote> They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives.</quote> I understand how hard that would have been for them. I couldnt afford a 2nd child of my own, didnt plan on one. My wife wasnt consistently taking birth control, but we took precautions. Yet she got pregnant a 2nd time. It has been really difficult financially because she stopped working with the 2nd one, but we sacrificed. And I couldnt be happier we did, even though our situation is still very tight. And my mother had me at 39 years old and I am a perfectly healthy functioning member of society with a family of my own now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 2:59:53 PM #298:	Zodd3224 posted... You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive. I feel like this is a very naive way to look at life. If a couple have the option of raising a baby when they're 16 and unprepared, fucked financially, and statistically doomed to a life of poverty, vs. terminating the pregnancy, growing older and having healthy families when they're more ready, it becomes silly to say to that first couple, "Well, at least your baby's alive." It shows a complete lack of empathy and awareness. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886833449] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>You're here arent you? We've all got problems in life, but we are at least alive.</quote> I feel like this is a very naive way to look at life. If a couple have the option of raising a baby when they're 16 and unprepared, fucked financially, and statistically doomed to a life of poverty, vs. terminating the pregnancy, growing older and having healthy families when they're more ready, it becomes silly to say to that first couple, "Well, at least your baby's alive." It shows a complete lack of empathy and awareness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 09/18/17 3:00:42 PM #299:	Zodd3224 posted... I understand how hard that would have been for them. I couldnt afford a 2nd child of my own, didnt plan on one. My wife wasnt consistently taking birth control, but we took precautions. Yet she got pregnant a 2nd time. It has been really difficult financially because she stopped working with the 2nd one, but we sacrificed. And I couldnt be happier we did, even though our situation is still very tight. And my mother had me at 39 years old and I am a perfectly healthy functioning member of society with a family of my own now. Again, and that's great for you. But your situation is not everyone else's. Anyone who says "I did it, therefore everyone can do it" is naive. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:886833497] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>I understand how hard that would have been for them. I couldnt afford a 2nd child of my own, didnt plan on one. My wife wasnt consistently taking birth control, but we took precautions. Yet she got pregnant a 2nd time. It has been really difficult financially because she stopped working with the 2nd one, but we sacrificed. And I couldnt be happier we did, even though our situation is still very tight. And my mother had me at 39 years old and I am a perfectly healthy functioning member of society with a family of my own now.</quote> Again, and that's great for you. But your situation is not everyone else's. Anyone who says "I did it, therefore everyone can do it" is naive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 3:01:43 PM #300:	Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Vindris_SNH posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Wait what? How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread? So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean. I literally outlined how the entire convo went for you already. Here we go again. - I said human life starts at conception. - Another poster agreed. - You said you disagreed with human life beginning at conception. - You stated "zygotes have no self awareness", suggesting you think human life starts at the point of self awareness. - I said "cognitive abilities do not determine your species". - You denied your previous claim in which you suggested human life starts after self awareness (a cognitive development). - You asked me what relevance "species" has. - I explained that a zygote is a human. It is alive. Therefore it is a human life, shutting down your theory that cognitive ability has anything to do with whether or not you are a human. I already told you I can't edit quotes. If I'm responding to 10% of a post, I still quote 100% even if I've only read the 10% I am replying about. You are the one going on about human. I said nothing about it. I was responding to that "If you were a zygote..." section. This whole argument has been you extrapolating what I said into more than it was. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886833549] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Wait what?</quote> How much more hand holding am I going to have to do in this thread?</quote> So are you suggesting I said anything about species before asking you why species mattered? Is that what you're on about? I can't think of anything else you could possibly mean.</quote> I literally outlined how the entire convo went for you already. Here we go again. - I said human life starts at conception. - Another poster agreed. - You said you disagreed with human life beginning at conception. - You stated "zygotes have no self awareness", suggesting you think human life starts at the point of self awareness. - I said "cognitive abilities do not determine your species". - You denied your previous claim in which you suggested human life starts after self awareness (a cognitive development). - You asked me what relevance "species" has. - I explained that a zygote is a human. It is alive. Therefore it is a human life, shutting down your theory that cognitive ability has anything to do with whether or not you are a human.</quote> I already told you I can't edit quotes. If I'm responding to 10% of a post, I still quote 100% even if I've only read the 10% I am replying about. You are the one going on about human. I said nothing about it. I was responding to that "If you were a zygote..." section. This whole argument has been you extrapolating what I said into more than it was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 3:05:05 PM #301:	Zodd3224 posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Zodd3224 posted... I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human. You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that? How many more times would you like me to say it? Yes. Because it is human, or at the very least on the verge of becoming human if its not killed. now answer the following questions. 1. Death Penalty: Moral or immoral? 2. Killing in self defense: moral or immoral? 3. Killing nonhuman animals: moral or immoral? 4. Suicide: Moral or immoral? 5. DNR: Moral or immoral? 6. Denying life-saving procedures because of religion that result in death (e.g. JW+Blood Transfusion): Moral or immoral? 7. Assisted Suicide: Moral or immoral? 8. Refusing to assist someone who is dying (and they die): Moral or immoral? Because if your metric for morality is "it's human" then your answer to all of them except #3 should be immoral. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886833746] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>I understand you are trying to rile me up with your condescending attitude. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue if you like, just an FYI. I feel that the beginning of human life is the zygote. At the very least, its close enough for me to consider it human.</quote> You still haven't answered the question. Why is it immoral? Because it is human? Can you admit that?</quote> How many more times would you like me to say it? Yes. Because it is human, or at the very least on the verge of becoming human if its not killed.</quote> now answer the following questions. 1. Death Penalty: Moral or immoral? 2. Killing in self defense: moral or immoral? 3. Killing nonhuman animals: moral or immoral? 4. Suicide: Moral or immoral? 5. DNR: Moral or immoral? 6. Denying life-saving procedures because of religion that result in death (e.g. JW+Blood Transfusion): Moral or immoral? 7. Assisted Suicide: Moral or immoral? 8. Refusing to assist someone who is dying (and they die): Moral or immoral? Because if your metric for morality is "it's human" then your answer to all of them except #3 should be immoral.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 09/18/17 3:06:02 PM #303:	That_Happened posted... They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives. No time to take off work? Dafuq? Maternity leave? Carrying the baby to term is as simple as eating a little more food every day - doctors recommend 450 extra calories a day in the 3rd trimester (that's less than a big mac, spread out through the whole day). Late 30s is by no means late to consider pregnancy without complications. The problem is usually getting pregnant in the first place, as women are approaching 40. Fucking awful excuses. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:886833799] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives.</quote> No time to take off work? Dafuq? Maternity leave? Carrying the baby to term is as simple as eating a little more food every day - doctors recommend 450 extra calories a day in the 3rd trimester (that's less than a big mac, spread out through the whole day). Late 30s is by no means late to consider pregnancy without complications. The problem is usually getting pregnant in the first place, as women are approaching 40. Fucking awful excuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/18/17 3:07:54 PM #304:	Vindris_SNH posted... That_Happened posted... They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives. No time to take off work? Dafuq? Maternity leave? Carrying the baby to term is as simple as eating a little more food every day - doctors recommend 450 extra calories a day in the 3rd trimester (that's less than a big mac, spread out through the whole day). Late 30s is by no means late to consider pregnancy without complications. The problem is usually getting pregnant in the first place, as women are approaching 40. Fucking awful excuses. Jeez, guy. No need to get so emotional. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886833917] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>They didn't have enough money (nor the time to take off of work) to carry the baby to term either. And to a smaller extent the woman is in her late 30s and that's pretty late to even consider full term pregnancy without possible complications. Again, it was a matter of "protect us and our family or save this unborn zygote," and there were way too many negatives that outweighed the positives.</quote> No time to take off work? Dafuq? Maternity leave? Carrying the baby to term is as simple as eating a little more food every day - doctors recommend 450 extra calories a day in the 3rd trimester (that's less than a big mac, spread out through the whole day). Late 30s is by no means late to consider pregnancy without complications. The problem is usually getting pregnant in the first place, as women are approaching 40. Fucking awful excuses.</quote> Jeez, guy. No need to get so emotional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/18/17 3:07:55 PM #305:	Vindris_SNH posted... Maternity leave? This doesn't really exist in america. Many places offer it, but it's not really "leave" it's more like a paid severance as most women do not get their jobs back. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886833919] in Whether yo... [t:75774151]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Maternity leave?</quote> This doesn't really exist in america. Many places offer it, but it's not really "leave" it's more like a paid severance as most women do not get their jobs back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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