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asdf8562 posted...

I dont why Im giving you a serious response at all honestly.

I don't why either.

This whole "I'm going to ignore your points and pretend your a troll so I can dismiss you." is what children who know they are wrong do.

Stop doing

Everything about the post I quoted alone was intectually wrong for suggesting racism for the most part died or even mostly died after the 1960s.

I don't think Racism will ever die. But that was never what the topic was discussing

It didnt die, it went in the closet. You say stuff like less segregation and race riots like while ignoring with each passing decade the idea of being openly racist became less exceptable. As such, a racist could not openly be racist and had to go in the closet about it or perform low key roundabout acts.

I think it's lazy and disiegenious to say "Well sure we were equals and the law was equals and people treat each other better and now we have Nazi parades, calls for segregation and race riots. but actually nothing has changed it's just in the past all the people who thought these things did so secretly in private! Now they do it openly in public!"

Is just a lazy handwave. For one thing even if we acccept it. The difference between closeted private whispers and literal public demonstrrations and laws is gigantic.

For a second, it's completely pulled your ass to go "Well everyone secretly actually thought X and just never admitted it." as you can say that for literally everything.

In fact that's literally the logic extreme femminsits use when they claim all men are rapists.
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She comes round for dinner one day to introduce you to him and says "Hey Daddy, this is my new boyfriend, Hieronymus Amminusnextius."



"We met at the library, he chased down that kid, you know your friend Wesley's son for having an overdue library book."

He bangs his hand on the table an goes "HE should have paid the fine!"

How would you react? Would you approve?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

So what specifically has Admiral said that's been so horrible that it would lead someone to believe that he'd do anything but condemn pulling a firearm on an innocent child?

You're conflating two different statements here. Admirial defending this "prank" and Admiral being a horrible person are different things. The point is people don't hate him because he is "right leaning" they hate him because he's defended people who have done worse to children on several occasions.

You're modded if you quote him but ask him yourself about the Catholic Church rape victims or the little boy who was sodmized by his school mates.

He's also defended ethnic cleansing and race-based discrimination.

He's made frankly bizarre claims that women invented fraud in the 20th century.

He's been literally angry that Muslims have written books about the Christian faith.

Among others.

Don't use "You just hate conservatives!" a shield to defend legitimately horrible nasty people. That just leads you to insult conservatives by claiming conservatives are horrible nasty people. Which just isn't true.

No one is mad at The Admiral because of his views on what Tax Cuts the rich should get, i don't think anyone even knows what his views on Tax Cuts for the rich are. Nor do they care.
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LightningAce11 posted...

@UnfairRepresent Admiral used to be left leaning??

Yeah.

When he started to used to pretend to be a liberal and start every post with "I'm a Liberal but" and then trash Liberals. When that facade died he claimed to be a left-leaning moderate.

Now he admits to be conservative and spends 97% of his time openly defending Trump and attacking liberals.

You can thank me for exposing his honesty.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Bluebomber182 posted...

thoughts?

@The_Admiral
@Capt_Circus
@Caution999

Why are you asking them their thoughts? Do you think any of them would actually approve of what the guy in the video did?

I know people here have a hate boner for Admiral (and other people who lean to the right), but yours is so big that you apparently think he might be okay with pulling a gun on random black kid and making him fear for his life.

People don't hate Admiral because he leans to the right (fun fact, he used to pretend to lean left)

They hate him because he routinely expresses horrible horrible horrible attitudes. Namely about women and children. Saying those are common right wing thoughts is insulting to all conservatives and a bigger attack than any liberal has lobbied at the right.
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"We've sent this video to law enforcement immediately... but also we thought we'd share it across the internet because it's a hilarious story and if someone shoved a gun in your face when you were a child I'd bet you would love to know the world was watching"

Jeez those guys are assholes.
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Caution999 posted...

Trump could have burned a Neo Nazi alive, a

That would be horrific
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Doom_Art posted...

It would've been better if

- It didn't take him 2 days
- He didn't have to be shamed into it
- He didn't immediately attack the media after

That's not what I asked though

Are you satisfied?
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asdf8562 posted...

The translation Im getting from all your post. Closet racist are aok!

Thats because you're intentionally intellectually dishonest.
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CNN unhappy with Trump

Breaking news!
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LightningAce11 posted...

What about you, Unfair? You never give your opinion in these topics.

I usually do.
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EternalDivide posted...

Well it doesn't play into the far left "Trump is an extremist/idiot/man child/racist/homophobic/loose cannon/embarrassing/blah blah blah etc.etc." echo chamber group think, so of course no one on here or in the media is bringing it up.

Kinda does actually.

A fat loudmouth waved his dick around and the world laughed at him

So in response a fat loudmouth wave his dick around and the world laughed at him.

Trump handled NK like a buffoon.
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Did Donald Trump satisify you or are you still not content with his words and actions as it relates to Nazis and the KKK alt-right.



What do the Liberals think.
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creativeme posted...

can't it be girls?

Possible but unlikely. Think how male dominated sailors are and you think space will be different

how much rations? like is it enough for 4 people to live but are starving the whole time? 52 hours you can live on just water so rations aren't much of a problem.

Plenty, it's an escape pod

also depends on are they friends or just random people?

The ship is gonna blow, you don't have time to send out invites
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Wait people were expecting NK to actually do anything?


Wait TRUMP thought NK was actually going to do something?

Wow people are stupid.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Sure sometimes in some games they have plots and are like super evil. But in most they are just there. Eating sandwiches, going about their day. Sometimes even behind locked doors or puzzles.

The only time I remember that actually happening is SOTN.
Dracula and Orlox were both just sorta loafing, and I'm pretty sure Galamoth actually was taking a shit.

He's another Superboss that appears to be literally trapped inside his room
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ImmortalHogRide posted...

RECON64bit posted...

The fact that these women wear pitch black burqas in the blazing sun is crazy to me. they must stink and sweat like crazy under there.

This was Iran in the 60s.

But nope, they are not oppressed by religion at all.

That poor lady is about to be it by a car :(
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JE19426 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

You'd beat up little girls?

Teenagers aren't little girls.

WTF
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Deadpool_18 posted...

ItsYourFault posted...

wtf is yoda?

I swear to god CEmen are the only people in the world that are this ignorant to the mainstream.

He's a sigless user
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boxington posted...

CQC and tranq gun, so I could get the camo.

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Hey look it's someone pretending to be me #45897

I'm sure the mods will clamp down on this one, let's just wait
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Conflict posted...

Yeah I've seen people unironically say he caused the divide that's going on right now

When you are elected as the leader of a nation you take on the responsibility of that nation.

That's the reason millions of people put the burden of the direction of the nation on their leaders.

And while you will momentarially deny this because Obama is in your tribe. In a week's time you'll trash Trump using the same logic and 10 years ago you trashed Bush using the same logic.
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psvitantifail posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

psvitantifail posted...

I don't get it

Lol? They're laughing at this trash book.

Why are they cats doe?
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Darmik posted...

Nobody said that race is the only thing you consider when dealing with other people. It's one of many factors.

and welcome to the 1940s logic we have come back to.
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Darmik posted...

I don't care what you believe.

Demonstrably you do.

And it's also pretty demonstrably that niether you or TC can actually name or think of many users who actually defended literal nazis
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Remember when CNN was the respected network?
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Honestly if every rapist had to pay their victim a million dollars there'd probably be a lot less rapists out there
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gamepimp12 posted...

Obama being both the first black president and the first internet president

I'd say Bush was the first Internet President.

gamepimp12 posted...

Also the concept of colorblindness only works when everyone gives up every single cultural items and becomes generic gray blobs

I don't think the colorblindness ideal was to pretend that race doesn't exist. It was say that race doesnt matter and that everyone is the same, as equal human beings

That was the belief the Civil Rights era started to make mainstream and grew until about 2009 and now that belief is being replaced with the pre-60s mainstream thought of race is vitally important, a big divider and a part of your identity.

Whether you like that change or not (most users in this topic like that regression) it is bringing race relations back to the past.
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boxington posted...

seven is kinda an arbitrary number

I picked 7 because I can name 2. So I'd accept 5 although I would be dubious.

Were as 7 to me seems ridiclous yet at the same time is really really low. So if it happening all the time with many users it should be easy to do.
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scar the 1 posted...

In all fairness, UR, do you really think it's unthinkable that this topic is referring to recent Charlottesville topics?

Not at all sine thats what kicked off the Nazi discussion in the first place but TC is asking why people sympathize with Nazis and I don't think many users on this site do

I think they are intentionally conflating Jontron fans with people who want to kick Jews and Blacks out of the country and privatize everything.

Because life is simplier if you do that, it's easier to hate people if you think of them as evil nazis and not just a fat dude who plays video games and disagrees with you about immigration laws.
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Darmik posted...

So there should be several quotes that added to this event occurring right?

If you say so. I think what he didn't say is more important that what he did say.

But even what he did say, it's over the course of 8 years as a leader. Repeated gouging and playing to audience.

Off the top of my head, things along the lines of:

"There's no doubt that there's some folks who just really dislike me because they don't like the idea of a black President"
"People often only disagree with me because I am the first black President"
"Trayvon could have been my son"
"Yeah we tortured a few folks."
"I am Black Man who grew up without a Father""
"Just in case anybody is still debating whether I'm black enough, I think that settles the debate"?

Just imagine for each one, it's JFK talking about being Catholic.

I don't know why this is hard if he's directly responsible

No one has made this claim.

All you have done in this topic is made up stupid things nobody has said and then just said nonsense until you make up another thing nobody has said.
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Settle a debate we're having in another topic:

Can you name 7 users who have defended actual Nazis?

Don't say their names. Just a simple yes or no

And we mean real Nazis, not like guy on facebook said he doesn't like transgenders PewdiePie level "nazi"
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Settle a debate we're having in another topic:

Can you name 7 users who have defended actual Nazis?

Don't say their names. Just a simple yes or no.

And we mean real Nazis, not like guy on facebook said he doesn't like transgenders PewdiePie level "nazi"
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Darmik posted...

There was an attempt to name a topic to name and shame the users but it got moderated.

Where have you been?

Working.

I know that's an alien concept to a lot of CE.

But I still don't believe you can name 7 users who defended Nazis.

And I mean actual White Supremecist Nazis. Not Jontron "Nazis"
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Darmik posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Direct quote of what? What are you even on about?

A direct quote from Obama that set back race relations.

Nobody is claiming that there is one direct quote that rebooted the Nazis and the KKK and caused riots and segregation promotion.

No one said anything like that at any point

That's something you made up then pretened people said just because you had nothing of value to say.

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

Also, I'll save the usual lazy excuse of saying "racist whites don't like a black president," as this opinion was also shared by the majority of black people.

I mean, you realize that doesn't counter the point at all, right?

It's the Admiral. If you're waiting for him to counter a point your children will die of old age.
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Darmik posted...

I can't because I'd get moderated.

I'd say that was awful convient but in fairness you're probably right since I can name 2 and one of them for sure would mod me if I pointed them out.

But still I don't believe you. Your excuse is just that, a good excuse.
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Darmik posted...

That was one of your examples. The only thing that was really relevant to anything and didn't require me to imagine things.

Yeah, it was an example of when America was scared, uneasy and tense, looked to Obama for leadership and instead of uniting people he stoked the fires of tension, esclated everything and defended a criminal.

That didn't really help anyone with anything. Even most die hard liberals admit Obama fucked up handling the Trayvon Martin thing

Still waiting on that direct quote.

Direct quote of what? What are you even on about?

No point humoring your inane rambling.

This your idea of respectful debate? Ignore all points, throw Ad hominems constantly, ask leading questions then literally post shit that makes no sense....

And you wonder why your tribe lost to the other tribe in the election contest.
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Darmik posted...

People have been sympathizing with literal Nazis the last few days here. Try to keep up.

Name 7 users

CrimsonRage posted...

wut

ok maybe I was assuming but....wut

Only you and 3_worst+_blaster mentioned it.

And that was only after others already brought up how "nazi" is being used to mean "Guy I dislike" "Guy with different opinion" and "Guy who is smarter than me"

Which is why a lot of people on the internet "Sympathize with Nazis." the people who are getting Sympathy often aren't Nazis. They're just dudes who upset the left that week.
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Darmik posted...

Maybe these Nazis never got over Trayvon Martin getting murdered

Trayvon Martin never got murdered.

And Nazis wouldn't care if he was.

You're not even making sense anymore.
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Yeah I didn't think you'd have an actual retort, point, argument or thread of logic either.

Gotta protect your tribe tho.
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Darmik posted...

So you'll criticize Obama for making statements that lead to racial divides...while not providing any.

Well for starters I haven't criticized Obama so that was a straight up lie.

You also keep rewording your questions.

That said people though out the topic have already listed many. you just were too lazy to read them

I mean an earlier post pretty much already responed to this:

Remember JFK was hated on because he was Catholic.

Know how that bias died down? Because he didn't make a big deal about it and act like there was a divide amongst people. He just treated as Christians as the same.

Imagine the backlash that would have occured if JFK did a "Some people just hate me because I am Catholic" speech like Obama literally did:


Well that's purely a matter of speculation. There are no solid answers to that.

But in my opinion: Well i already mentioned the fact he literally did speeches about being black and about how people don't like him because he was black.

Making a big big big big big deal about your skin color and how different you are and how you're seperate from others because of it just reinforces walls between people.

Others have already mentioned his refusal to condemn Trayvon Martin for attempting to murder an innocent man while a very confused, divided and scared America looked at him for guidance. He just pussyfooted both the emootional and the reasonable sides into further seperation.

His open support of the Black Lives Matter faction that was intentionally trying to divide people.

Basically every time (which was bi-monthly if not bi-weekly) he made it a vitally relevant fact whether or not the people or issue he was dealing with was about black or white people and how different they are.

Also the ultimate irony of barely even mentioning anyone who wasn't white or black. Just focusing on those groups. To find Obama even mention Asian people or Hispanic people you have to search for speeches directly at centers or groups designed for Asian or hispanic crowds.

Yet if it was a speech about Healthcare or trade he'd find a way to bring white and black into it.

On the flip-side I already gave the JFK Example. How easy it would have been for him to make people hate Catholics more.

I think if Obama had never made a big deal about "Black and white" treated people as people. Did speeches and made points as if everyone on Earth was green and just laughed off the racists who hated him instead of making a big deal about them (and thus legitimazing the seperation and division they claim existed) it got brought back.

Imagine a world where instead of getting on a mic in front of millions and going "People hate me because I am black." a man says "Hey maybe we shouldn't put people in prison for smoking pot."

And then imagine how people 5 years down the line act differently due to those statements

Obama made many people especially white and black people think that there race was a big big deal and something that seperates and divides them from people who are of different races to them.

This is one of many factors that helped shape the path of people caring way too much about race. A more savvy leader wouldn't have paved that road.
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CrimsonRage posted...

This topic is specifically about the Charlottesville incident.

...

No it wasn't


why do some CEmen sympathize with Nazis? lmao


topic

That was it.

Don't lie just because you lost. That'sthe mentality that ultimately creates Nazis.
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Well he's not wrong but:

3rd_Best_Master posted...

I love how he can respond to the criticism surrounding his weak denunciation quicker than he can give a statement denouncing white supremacists.

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Darmik posted...

How about you point out specific quotes from Obama that inspired people to become Nazis?

How about you either join in a debate or ask a question that isn't simutaniously leading and stupid?

dj4242 posted...

Obama was a failure as a president

I thought he was pretty good.

Bishop9800 posted...

And no I'm not making assertions. I just asked a simple question. So do you?

You're ignoring the actual discussion to just say stupid shit.

"I don't like apples."

"So by saying you don't like apples you mean that you think Joe Biden kills children?,,, Hey I was just asking a question!"

It's dumb and insulting the intelligence of everyone. It's just a lame evasion and admission that you have no actual point but feel like Obama or at least the left is part of your Tribe and I am not, so I must be attacked/degraded and your tribe defended.

Let that mentality go.
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CrimsonRage posted...

We're not talking about them, goob.

I was in the post he directly responded to with his incredibly stupid post.

He responded to "People are calling people Nazis who actually aren't just to justify being a dick to random people. Which is bad."

With "Well actual Nazis DO exist!"

Which isn't a response to that point.

A lot of the users people like CE will claim "Sympathize with Nazis" actually just Sympathize which PewDiePie getting canned by Disney for wearing an SS uniform in an unfunny comedy skit
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Bishop9800 posted...

So you do believe that this is all his fault.

sO you believe James Arnold Taylor poops on little girls faces.

I can make random assertions too

Darmik posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Personally I think it's a stupid oversimplifcation to use a word like "fault" but he did utterly fail to prevent it and unite people.

How is Obama supposed to bring Nazis and White Supremacists to his side?

That's a stupid question.

But the point you're trying to raise has been disussed throughly during this topic, you've elected not to bother reading it.

Short answer is: There is no short answer but a better start would have not dividing people and promoting the importance of seperation via race and promoting to think of, look at and treat people differently based on race. Which fed right into those prone to emotional racial tensions fears.

Hence the start of this topic being progressives snapping about the evil white man
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Darmik posted...

The terrorist attack in the 90's was a lot worse than this rally. You're acting like race relations were great before Obama. They weren't.

"Great" is more vague wordings.

The idea here is that race relations were "set back."

Which I think is pretty hard to argue they weren't. Even your own points accidentially demonstrate that. Attitudes from the 1930s are back in style. Groups that haven't been around for decades that were dying are back in force.

Progression has pretty much halted in several areas. Tension is high.
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The Deadpool posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Considering you have to go to the 90s to even find anything comparable, that shows why it's a recent problem.

The fact there's an old example of the problem proves that it's a recent problem?

Proves that problems are regressing, yes

Bishop9800 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Who is to blame is speculation. But it happened under Obama's leadership and he failed to prevent it.

So it's his fault that the racist came out durin g is time?

Well that's a matter of opinion ultimately.

Personally I think it's a stupid oversimplifcation to use a word like "fault" but he did utterly fail to prevent it and unite people.
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