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TopicThe AVGN.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:39:03 PM
#26
luigi33 posted...
I think James at his best is when he's talking about his passion: movies. Giving interesting insight and easter eggs that nobody ever noticed before. He's still IMO my favorite guy for that.

Honestly I think that is more entertaining than his AVGN thing. I LOVE Cinemassacre's Monster Madness series.
The dude unironically made an entertaining 10 minute video about a piece of cardboard

His passion for movies is infectious

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:21:28 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
I dont like preachy games that punish me for killing things, as a rule. The difference between Undertale and games like Dishonored as both do that is that Undertale doesnt really have anything appealing to me to offset that.
Not only does Undertale not punish you for killing things, it actively rewards you with extra health.

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TopicThe AVGN.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:12:48 PM
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I disagree on James' old stuff not holding up

Aside from the crudeness which is personal taste of course. He was ahead of the curb on this. He was making that kind of content before Youtube existed. A whole generation of "Content Creators"were inspired by AVGN or inspired by guys who were inspired by AVGN.

It's kinda silly to go "Man James making fun videos in his basement in the mid 2000s doesn't hold up to 2023 production quality" no shit.

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TopicUndertale.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:06:55 PM
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Define "as people say"

It's legit a good and heartfelt little game.

The "Best game ever made." crowd are a little much

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:05:56 PM
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I like that every poll option got at least 1 vote :)

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TopicReading R/Conservative right now is fucking cathartic.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:04:32 PM
#132
The GOP congress is literally currently blaming the Democrats for not saving them from themselves.

"It's the Democrats fault we're so shit"

They're saying that without irony. Blaming the Dems for not voting for a Republican Speaker.

Even in their internal logic it doesn't hold up, why don't the Republicans just vote for a democrat speaker?

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TopicBDSM (Well Sadomasochism at least) is technically illegal in the UK
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 5:42:55 PM
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Vanilla sex can result in death

Who gets to decide that someone can't consent because obviously they're wrong since you disagree?

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TopicPitbulls attack old man. Woman fights them with umbrella, a man uses wire, etc.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 5:34:07 PM
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Bears are not dogs

Stop making excuses for being for being lazy and incompetent and train your dogs

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TopicPitbulls attack old man. Woman fights them with umbrella, a man uses wire, etc.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 5:25:15 PM
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Considering my trained dogs would never hurt anybody because they're trained, I'd do so happily

P.S Stop making excuses for being for being lazy and incompetent and train your dogs

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TopicPitbulls attack old man. Woman fights them with umbrella, a man uses wire, etc.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 5:11:14 PM
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Shadow_Don posted...


it literally does not matter how you raise a Shih Tzu with respect to its potential to do harm
"I don't need to train my Shih Tzu" is pathetic.

Train your fucking dogs

And tell the owners of the dead cats how non dangerous your untrained Shih Tzu was after it killed them.

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TopicBDSM (Well Sadomasochism at least) is technically illegal in the UK
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 5:06:07 PM
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streamofthesky posted...


As far as overall... I do think there should be limits to what can be "consented" to, and if a sub is asking for or agreeing to extremely harmful or dangerous activities, the dom has responsibility as a human being to not go along with or encourage it. "Consenting adults" is great, but some people are incapable of consent (drugged, significant mental illness, under coercion, ...whatever the current politically correct term for "extremely low IQ to the point they can't function normally" is, etc...).
This is kinda poor arguments. It's a non-sequitur

If someone is mentally ill or drugged they can't consent: Fair they can't.

But you started out by saying that "some things can't be consented too" which has nothing to do with drugs or mental illness

If they're sane and sober and not under coercion, what should they be banned from doing to their own body?

I'm with the libertarians on this one. You are not the property of the government, that's unironically communism at it's highest.

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TopicSouth Africa claims England isn't shit as they head into their world cup game.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 4:55:24 PM
#9
SA win by 1 point

Excellent game let down by an awful ref call at the end who handed the win to SA

But man if SA play like that next week, NZ is gonna eat their lunch

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TopicSouth Africa claims England isn't shit as they head into their world cup game.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 4:42:28 PM
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England are still in the lead but SA is pushing them to the limit

10 mins left. SA have the momentum but they need another score

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TopicSouth Africa claims England isn't shit as they head into their world cup game.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 3:54:09 PM
#4
Half time and England lead 12 - 6

Will South Africa eat their words?

New Zealand absolutely dominated Argentina so winners today face The All Blacks in the final

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TopicWhat comes out from inside your Birthday Cake? Pick a number 1-23
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 3:40:18 PM
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AlveinFencer posted...
Picked 21 because of Blackjack.
"...Great cosplay."
In this scenario, It's not cosplay

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 3:05:10 PM
#62
Seaman_Prime posted...
I liked it now im just waiting for Deltarune to be complete
Cya in 2040 XD

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TopicThe AVGN.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 2:30:36 PM
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Quezovercoatl posted...
I mean, I'm no expert on his life; he might not now, but there's no way he wasn't more interested in video games when he started avgn. He has enough believable memories and thoughts on games and I find it difficult to believe he'd start filming himself talking about something he didn't give a shit about even as a one off side project.
All those are from games he played in his childhood. Like Dr Jeykll and Mr Hyde and Castlevania.

When he went to Uni to learn about making films, he never really looked back on video games. Everytime he doesn't have childhood memories to look back on, the videos really struggle.

Also a lot of his takes came from Mike. Who really is a big gamer.

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 2:27:36 PM
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ArtiRock posted...
They do the same things. Yes.

Well they factually don't at all aside from a vague "They all involve making mean moral choices"

In which case every game is the same thing as Pacman since they all involve inputs.

UnfairRepresent posted...
It's just some very strange opinions.


ArtiRock posted...


Dude, this is super delusional. It's more that I'm not hanging around all day because I do things besides spam refresh to see if someone responded.
I mean you literally asked me to respond to you and then have been responding in length all day. Each time just avoiding elaborating on the very very very strange takes you have.

The "I don't have time for this" rings about as hollow as someone saying the Genocide Route of Undertale and Selling Fenris to a slaver in Dragon Age 2 is the same thing cuz they're both "mean"

Oh wait.

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 1:58:27 PM
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You didn't "compare the 2" you said they were the same thing and that games do what Undertale did all the time.

And the "genocide" vs "pacifist" thing can basically be summed up as "good" or "evil" routes that you see so very often in video games.
KOTOR, KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol, Fable 1-3, Jade Empire, Dragon Age all of them (they don't specifically monitor them, but the game keeps track of them for you). That's like... 10 right there. All pre 2015. Like seriously, this wasn't breaking any new grounds. Like... Every Bioware game made it a thing, and that's before you even count games like Wasteland or Fallout or anything that tries to resemble DND.

When I directly asked for an example that actually did the same thing Undertale did, you went sheepishly quiet. Just like you went sheepishly quiet when asked for examples of art inconsistency or when yourself accidentally defended the equipment system while arguing for its removal.

The fact you're backtracking now (although a good thing) just proves how strange and silly a statement it was.

It's just a cornucopia of very odd takes.

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 1:02:37 PM
#52
ArtiRock posted...
I don't even think they're necessarily shit takes.

Well you shouldn't, they're yours XD



The op is exactly why people even have an adverse reaction to the game at moments because instead of having proper discourse, it's over hyping the game while ignoring the lacking or even grating aspects of it.

The OP was asking people why they never played it.. It wasn't hyping or ignoring anything

Other than pointing out it got critical acclaim I guess. Which it did.

Eab1990 posted...


Arti's giving some shit takes, but I feel like you could also present better arguments for Undertale's case.

I have at no point presented an argument for why Undertale is a great game.

All I did was (when directly asked to) explained why I thought some incredibly strange opinions were strange. IE:

"The Genocide route is the same thing as picking closed fist moral choice options in Jade Empire."
"IT would be better if it removed equipment."

Those are very very very very very strange things to say.

I have at at every point stated that there's nothing really I can add to an opinion on whether the game was good or not. The topic isn't even about whether the game is good or not.

Just more curiousity about why gamers on a gaming site haven't played a short/cheap game that most people who touch it tend to widely belove.

Would be like asking people why they've never eaten pizza.

And someone comes in and says "Eating Pizza is the same thing as surfing while you're on fire."

And i'm like "What a strange thing to say." I'm not defending or attacking pizza beyond that.

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TopicStarting Resident Evil 4 remake
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 12:19:00 PM
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I still need to play seperate ways

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TopicThe AVGN.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 12:07:07 PM
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VGAddict90 posted...
Here's the video, in case you want to watch it for yourself. Warning: it's long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-fSWys71E&t=10528s
I'm glad that the video says "quality" considering AVGN never really fell XD

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TopicBDSM (Well Sadomasochism at least) is technically illegal in the UK
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:58:14 AM
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The five appellants engaged in sadomasochistic sexual acts, consenting to the harm which they received; whilst their conviction also covered alike harm against others, they sought as a minimum to have their mutually consented acts to be viewed as lawful. None of the five men complained of any of the acts in which they were involved, which were uncovered by an unrelated police investigation.

The physical severity was not disputed. Each appellant (having had legal advice) pleaded guilty to the offence when the trial judge ruled that consent of the victim was no defence.

The question approved and certified as in the public interest on appeal was whether the prosecution had to prove (in all similar cases) a lack of consent on the recipient's part. The appellants argued against conviction under the Offences against the Person Act 1861 as they had in all instances consented to the acts they engaged in (volenti non fit injuria), that as with tattooing and customary-site body piercings their consent would be directly analogous to the lawful exceptions laid out by three cornerstone (and other) widely-spaced precedent cases.

The certified question of appeal which the House of Lords was asked to consider was:
Where A wounds or assaults B occasioning him actual bodily harm (ABH) in the course of a sado-masochistic encounter, does the prosecution have to prove lack of consent on the part of B before they can establish A's guilt under section 20 or section 47 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861?

The Lords by a bare majority, two out of five dissenting answered this in the negative, holding that consent could not be a defence to these (typically overlapping) offences.

Lord Templeman stated:
"It is not clear to me that the activities of the appellants were exercises of rights in respect of private and family life. But assuming that the appellants are claiming to exercise those rights I do not consider that Article 8 invalidates a law which forbids violence which is intentionally harmful to body and mind. Society is entitled and bound to protect itself against a cult of violence. Pleasure derived from the infliction of pain is an evil thing. Cruelty is uncivilised. I would answer the certified question in the negative and dismiss the appeals of the appellants against conviction.

His judgment examined the acts to be "unpredictably dangerous and degrading to body and mind and were developed with increasing barbarity and taught to persons whose consents were dubious or worthless".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Brown

Basically arguing that BDSM shit is so cruel and unusual that it doesn't matter whether you consented to it or not.

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TopicIt's amazing how many people allow themselves to be interrogated by police
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:47:39 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
I actually watched the 46 minute video that the one dude posted in this topic.


It's a great video . I reccomend everyone watches it. Even outside of the US it's still valid advice

You gain NOTHING from talking to police and risk endangering yourself. Communicate through your lawyer and or have them present. Your lawyer is smarter and more experienced than you. You lawyer will have dealt with police before and knows the process.

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TopicIt's amazing how many people allow themselves to be interrogated by police
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:45:17 AM
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I mean there was that case where a black guy told the police "I need a lawyer, dawg."

And the police refused to give him one, continued to interrogate him until he confessed. Then in the following lawsuit a court ruled that it was okay because the police thought he was asking for a lawyer who was a dog. Which the police can't provide and therefore isn't a violation of his rights

No I'm not making that up.

There's different tiers of justice in this country. If you're poor and black, you don't have rights and police can do whatever they like.

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TopicThe AVGN.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:41:25 AM
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VGAddict90 posted...


Was the AVGN always just a stepping stone for James to get into filmmaking?

Kind of. Although it's less of a stepping stone and more of a coincidence

He always wanted to make films, has made films since he was a child.

AVGN was a side project that took off. But films always was and still is his passion. He really doesn't play games all that much.

It's not like he made AVGN so he could make a film tho.

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TopicPitbulls attack old man. Woman fights them with umbrella, a man uses wire, etc.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:39:31 AM
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Anyone who says "It doesn't matter how you raise them" knows nothing about dogs and gets all their opinions from social media.

I'm seriously concerned by any dog owner on the planet who doesn't train their dogs because "It doesn't matter how you raise them"

That's beyond a red flag. That's like if the red flag was do gigantic it caused it a contential shift when waved.

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TopicIt's amazing how many people allow themselves to be interrogated by police
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:35:19 AM
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It is a disturbing universe were civilians need to be trained in how to deal with the police rather than police being trained how to do with civilians

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TopicWait, so the Israel/Palestine conflict is because of the UK!?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:30:03 AM
#21
Ivynn posted...
Israel/Palestine
India/Pakistan
Some of Africa's troubles

to name a few

ai123 posted...
The Middle East, Cyprus, India/Pakistan, Ireland (sort of) . . .

British policy was 'we're going to fuck off now. If you could just fight amongst yourselves for a bit, instead of blaming us for all the shitty Empire stuff, that would be great!'

Egypt/Sudan as well

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 11:09:45 AM
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ArtiRock posted...


This sounds like a personal problem. Like again, in Dragon Age, there are some weapons that do have significance. Your base sword in the human origin has significance. In Fire Emblem Binding Blade, some of the weapons are references to characters from the manga that was made. Not everything needs to have a pun as well, but some can and do.

For sure. But a blurb telling you that Yusaris is the blade Dane used to kill Fenshal and the werewolf is not the same thing at all as what Undertale is doing. Where EVERY item tells you something about personalities of the kids who fell. Who were all murdered. The path you're walking now. It all ties back to you, what's happened in the underground, what's happening directly around you. All without words. It's tight as a walnut in a corset.

I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down. If Undertale added a new weapon called "The Hammer of Leonardo" which had a blurb (or a NPC) who told you "177 years ago Leonardo used it to defeat the Tyrant melakajajaja one Tuesday" that weapon has "Significance" but provides nothing to the narrative Undertale was weaving.

You're mixing up "Well both these RPG items have lore" the same way you were mixing up "Well both playing as Renegade in Mass Effect 2 and the Genocide route involve making "bad" choices so they are the same thing."

This is what I was refering to about the lack of imagination. It wasn't an insult. It's about the the different ways people's minds work. You're very literal and rigid in your thinking.

The tutu (one of about a dozen items in the entire game) belonged to a girl Asgore murdered and it and the ballet shoes not only effect your attack and defense but also tell you a little about her in a short tight story about one fantasy adventure which is demonstrated to you wordlessly... is the same thing as a dagger (one of about 1000 items in the game) having a blurb of lore in the equipment menu of something someone did with it at some time in a grandiose globtrotting RPG adventure where every 20 minutes you're doing something different with different people in different places.

You see that as the same thing because they're both "Items and lore." and don't see how other people are picking up the worldbuilding, atmosphere, pacing and character focus that is being put down

ArtiRock posted...
The worldbuilding is actually kinda garbo in Undertale. That's literally what I'm saying, it's not that great.

I feel like you're even less imaginative since your response to getting a counterargument is to insult the creativity / intelligence of the person rather than attacking the argument.

I've not insulted you once and I have repeatedly said over and over that opinions are opinions and there's not much I can say to them.

If you say you think Undertale's storytelling is garbo, that's your view.

It's just the "Genocide route is the same thing as a binary moral choice in fable" or "Remove the equipmenet system to improve the game" takes that are very very strange opinions.

There's contrarian and then there's completely random.

ArtiRock posted...
Equipment that does something significant when you acquire it wouldn't improve the gameplay???

That's literally what you were arguing to remove x_X

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 10:55:54 AM
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Turbam posted...
Choosing to not enjoy something because a fanbase for it is bad is really fucking weird.

I mean I sort of get it.

I like Dark Souls but the fanbase is so utterly toxic that I completely understand why it puts people off. I mean a lot of Dark Souls/Fromsoft fans actively try to keep to new fans out.

Part of the fun of getting into something is sharing and talking about it with other people. It's a serious blow if you don't like most of those other people.

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
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10/21/23 10:48:36 AM
#43
ArtiRock posted...
Several RPGs have had weapons that have storyline significance. This is nothing special in the least. A lot of western RPGs weapons will have significance and aren't just "some random weapon you buy at the store."

If you say so.

I can't really think of any where every Item/Weapon in the game was tied in so succinctly to the worldbuilding and tells you something about the other characters + your role in the world wordlessly. Considering most RPGs are larger in scale, they can't do that. I also can't think of any where they also use them all as puns.

The gameplay, worldbuilding, meta-narrative, jokes and atmosphere all blend together in well crafted game design you can only really get from a really short game made a couple of people. Final Fantay can't be that compact and dense because it has to be grandiose. So it doesn't try to be.



Which isn't particularly interesting. And I have no idea why you'd even count this as something that's significant.

Well as I said, it's an opinion thing. If you don't find characters, carefully crafted game design, worldbuilding, storytelling without dialogue, tone, atmosphere etc significant. That's up to you.

But considering you can't tell the difference between the Undertale Genocide Route and "Corrupt" Fable 2 playthrough, "Because they both are "bad" routes." I feel like you're just not really that imaginative as a gamer.

Which is fine.



Using equipment as items has been a thing in several RPGs from as early as games like Final Fantasy 1. You can't be serious on thinking this is interesting. It's an indie game. And Japanese games tend to have a ton of puns.

I like that you want to remove it but then simtaniously bring up that lots of good games (curiously you can't name any tho) all do it.

Ok.. As I said. Strange.



No. I said... It barely has much outside of slight differences. Hence me saying "Paper Mario" style upgrades, as Paper Mario upgrades are simplistic and nature and generally change things about attacks. IE, you put on a badge that makes you immune to spike damage. There's no attack increase, but changes how you can approach combat differently. You can now jump on flying enemies with spikes. I meant what I said, and you confirmed it with what you're saying.

I don't see how that change would improve the gameplay at all, meanwhile it would make the gameplay, story and worldbuilding signifcantly worse...

No, it's kinda like playing a game and being told that the differences between a red and blue soccerball are super significant because the red ball is owned by Marco and the blue ball is owned by Luis.

It's not like that all but ok.

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
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10/21/23 10:40:07 AM
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ArtiRock posted...


Yes, and when a person could potentially go through a game and not notice the effects of equipment, that literally solidifies my argument through your own acknowledgement that people could possibly not pick up on what equipment does.
For sure

Undertale rewards you for being curious and invested. I just don't think that's automatically a bad thing.

ArtiRock posted...
Because that's what it is.

Oh is it? Well you convinced me.



A non-lethal playthrough of MGS2 is significantly more challenging to do.
It's almost as if solely being challenging wasn't the intended goal.

I love MGS2 but a non lethal run of that game is just perfecting the stealth mechanics and abusing the Tranq. It's got no real story, meta or gameplay varation. It's just a fun way to play. Raidan is still Jack The Ripper. Escorting Emma still sucks.

ArtiRock posted...


It's a shitty metanarrative that shoots itself in the foot.

"Friends" yes, the people that were all trying to kill you. That's exactly what I would call a friend. The people that you could spend most of it running from when combat presents itself.

Actually very few of them are trying to kill you. Pretty much only Undyne and Flowey. And if you constantly run you don't get gold and if you don't keep the bandage on, running will be unsuccessful.

You're arguing from a point of min-maxing rather than roleplaying. Sure you can Look up the strats for each boss, flee every fight and cheese the pacifist run but only if 1. You figured out how to do that by getting invested or 2. You googled it.

Feels like complaining Fallout 1 sucks because you can complete it in 7 minutes if you google what to do first.

Niether of which would be an earnest playthrough of the game from someone who is learning about the world and characters. I feel like you never read the text to learn what the enemies were doing when the fight happened.

ArtiRock posted...


KOTOR, KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol, Fable 1-3, Jade Empire, Dragon Age all of them (they don't specifically monitor them, but the game keeps track of them for you). That's like... 10 right there. All pre 2015.

None of those did the same thing Undertale did... WTF. You're just naming games that have "moral choices"

Like seriously, this wasn't breaking any new grounds.

Then name 7 games that broke the same ground.

No the option to pour blood in the Urn of Sacred ashes in Dragon Age Origins is not the same as the Genocide route in Undertale. WTF?

There's no option in Dragon Age to murder all your friends in an incredible grind, missing out on half the game, fundamentally changing the gameplay, just to see new content based on metanarrative of the player becoming detatched because you're no longer invested in the world.

This is what I mean, your opinions are very very strange.

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TopicWait, so the Israel/Palestine conflict is because of the UK!?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 10:27:13 AM
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There's a disturbing amount of modern day global conflicts that started (or were exasperated) by the British empire being really bad or vague at defining lines on a map.

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Topic"Former comedian."
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10/21/23 10:26:13 AM
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Or that they just retired....

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
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10/21/23 10:09:23 AM
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Well it's opinions so I can't say they're right or wrong. If you said "I don't like it because there's no character in the game called Johnny Hotpants" then I can flat out say you're wrong. But I can't really challenge the way you felt about stuff

Gear in the game is so basic that even bothering to have an equipment system on offense and defense may as well have been something as simple as a Paper Mario style upgrade.

The gear in the game (as well as being puns) has a profound impact on both the gameplay and the meta-narrative. They belong to the previous murdered children who walked the path that you did. Every item telling you a little about their personality and having an effect on gameplay beyond just a stat boost.

For example the starting item, the warn bandage has terrible defense stat and no combat perks but allows 100% successs rate of fleeing. Other items regardless of damage stat will also have different rhytms or amount of attacks to appeal to different play styles. Or might sacrifice some defense stat for increased I-frames or deceased enemy attack time. Or it might increase the effect of healing items.

You can also use the equipment as an item in battle. The Stick for example can be used repeatedly at the game in actions with enemies at the cost of an inventory slot. Something you'd only learn if you were curious and exploring the world (Or googled it, you filthy cheater you!)

And this is all presented solidly in a gameplay mechanic wrapped in jokes/puns.

If you played the game but didn't pick up on either the story or gameplay connotations of your decisions and then wonder why they even have a equipment system because all it effects is the "stats"... That's just a really strange take.

Something the game never explicitly tells you but you pick up by playing. And the response of "Why even have equipment!" seems very very very very strange....

It's kinda like playing FIFA and saying you don't understand why they even have a soccerball.



The graphics are actually terrible. And I don't mean because they are simple, I mean they are actually bad. Inconsistent, ugly, and in some instances just having really jank perspectives.

With the one notable exception that's supposed to be inconsistent (And I suppose arguably So Sorry) I can't really think of any graphics in Undertale that are inconsistent or ugly. Undertale has some of the tighest and most consistent art/music in all of gaming, largely considering 95% of the game was made by 2 people.

But as I said before, that's an opinion thing, I don't get what you want me to say to that.

Do you feel the same thing about Cuphead?

And the "genocide" vs "pacifist" thing can basically be summed up as "good" or "evil" routes that you see so very often in video games.

I mean at the very base level yes, "kill everything" is obviously bad and "Don't hurt anyone" is obviously good but reducing the story/gameplay down to that seems pretty silly.

I would hardly say the Pacifist playthrough of Undertale is the same as a non lethal playthrough of MGS2 or that a genocide one is the same as a normal playthrough of MGS2 for example.

Unlike a lot of games "Pacifist" doesn't mean relying on stealth or abusing a KO weapon like a no kill run of Deus Ex. You have to actively figure the monsters out and how to befriend them which demonstrates your curiousity and getting closer and more attatched to the world. It's a fundamental shift in the gameplay and expectations of the player. You even have to back track and hang out with the characters to get to know them. Most games including RPGs don't even give a second thought about the enemies beyond their battle. The big inspiration for Undertale was that Toby Fox felt bad about massacring all the interesting cute creatures in Earthbound.

And especially genocide which is never even presented as a viable "route" to playing the game. The entire thing is a metanarrative about Flowey representing the player growing dettatched. Most games don't even have metanarratives at all, and the Undertale genocide route consists of spending a long time (probably hours on your first run) grinding enemy fights that are dull because at this point you know how to beat them and have tons of HP for literally no reason in a way that's purposefully supposed to be boring. Large sections of the game are literally missing, most bosses don't fight back and it's long ardous grind. All for some extra dialogue and 2 boss fights.

You massacre your friends and prove the world doesn't mean anything because you don't care anymore and just wanted to see the small bits of additional new content that are "different" because it's there. Yet you claim they happened so very often in games?

Name 7 pre 2015 games that did that.

It's just some very strange opinions.

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TopicIs this man mentally stable?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 9:35:32 AM
#13
I wonder what his views on Israel and Palestine are.

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TopicImagine a world where Mr Rogers ran for President with a Trump personality
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 9:25:02 AM
#10
Dark_Arbron posted...
Someone get ChatGPT on this right now. I want a fanfic.
I just asked and Chat CPT to do one about Mr Rogers if he was Trump and... well it got weird fast

Once upon a time, in a picturesque village nestled in the heart of the French countryside, there lived a young girl named Mr Rogers. She had curly brown hair, bright green eyes, and a heart full of curiosity. Mr Rogers' village was known for its lush vineyards, charming cottages, and breathtaking sunsets, but it was also famous for a legend that had been passed down for generations: the legend of the dragons of Bordeaux.

According to the story, deep within the forests surrounding the village, a group of friendly dragons resided. These were not the fierce, fire-breathing creatures of most tales, but rather gentle and wise beings who protected the village from harm. The villagers believed that the dragons' magic was what made their vineyards prosper, and their grapes the sweetest in all of France.

One warm summer evening, Mr Rogers decided to explore the forest on the outskirts of the village. She had heard the dragon legend many times from her grandmother and, being a brave and adventurous girl, was eager to see if there was any truth to it. Armed with a basket of freshly baked bread and a few sweet plums, she ventured into the woods.

Mr Rogers walked deeper into the forest, following the soft rustling of leaves and the melodious songs of birds. As she ventured further, she noticed strange markings on the trees and peculiar stones placed in intricate patterns on the ground. These signs gave her hope that the legends were true, and she continued her journey.

The sun began to set, casting a warm, golden glow over the forest, and Mr Rogers found herself in a clearing bathed in a soft, ethereal light. Suddenly, she heard a gentle rumbling from behind a large oak tree. Peeking around the trunk, her eyes widened in amazement as she saw three majestic dragons.

The dragons were unlike any she had imagined. They had emerald-green scales and eyes filled with wisdom. Each dragon was different, one smaller, one sleek, and one adorned with delicate patterns on its wings. They seemed to be enjoying a peaceful conversation among themselves.

As Mr Rogers observed them, her curiosity got the better of her. She timidly approached, offering the bread and plums as a sign of friendship. The dragons turned their heads to look at her, and their eyes twinkled with a hint of recognition. They graciously accepted her offerings.

Mr Rogers, with her kind heart and gentle spirit, began visiting the dragons regularly. She would bring them treats, sing them songs, and listen to their stories of the world. In return, the dragons taught her about the secrets of the forest and the harmony of nature. They showed her the magic that flowed through the vines and explained how their presence protected the village.

As the years went by, Mr Rogers' friendship with the dragons deepened. She introduced them to her family, and the dragons allowed the villagers to witness their magic, bringing prosperity to the vineyards year after year.

Word of Mr Rogers and her dragon friends spread beyond the village, and people from far and wide came to witness the magic of Bordeaux's dragons. Mr Rogersand her dragons became the stuff of legends themselves, celebrated for their friendship and the enchantment they brought to the region.
In the end, the dragons of Bordeaux and the young French girl showed the world that even the most mythical and magical friendships can bloom in the most unexpected places, teaching everyone the true value of harmony, understanding, and the magic that lies within the bonds of friendship.

I think I broke it...

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 9:18:53 AM
#35
Cynrascal posted...
How about I just don't have an interest in it at all.
okbutytho

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TopicWhat comes out from inside your Birthday Cake? Pick a number 1-23
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 9:18:17 AM
#11
bigtiggie23 posted...
You know what number I had to pick, now I have a personal Messiah.
I think Christians would argue Jesus is everyone's personal Messiah

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TopicRon DeSantis hired agents to lie about immigrants.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 8:05:54 AM
#3
VGAddict90 posted...


Why isn't the DOJ on this?
There is a two tier-justice system and right wingers very rarely ever face any kind of consequence for anything

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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 8:04:23 AM
#30
ArtiRock posted...
Gear in the game is so basic that even bothering to have an equipment system on offense and defense may as well have been something as simple as a Paper Mario style upgrade.

The graphics are actually terrible. And I don't mean because they are simple, I mean they are actually bad. Inconsistent, ugly, and in some instances just having really jank perspectives.

And the "genocide" vs "pacifist" thing can basically be summed up as "good" or "evil" routes that you see so very often in video games.

These are some... interesting opinions.

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TopicWhat comes out from inside your Birthday Cake? Pick a number 1-23
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:55:53 AM
#1
It's your birthday!

The party is going well and this gigantic Birthday Cake is wheeled out.

There's a few moments anticipation as you're about to cut the cake when suddenly the following bursts out of it:

1: A Bear.
https://i.imgur.com/ajYYexL.png

2: Donald Trump
https://i.imgur.com/3ZUebY7.png

3: Thousands upon thousands of pennies
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/7/AAZiH8AADWmB.jpg

4: Rayquaza
https://i.imgur.com/d0v9pSP.png

5: A Drunk Prostitute
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/1/AAZiH8AACuCn.jpg

6: The Riddler
https://i.imgur.com/aMokt8V.png

7: SSSniperWolf
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/6/AAfOu0AAE7xy.jpg

8: An Aligator
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/1/5/AAZiH8AADMtz.jpg

9: Your Best Friend's Mom
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/8/AAZiH8AADWmC.jpg

10: The Cops
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/1/AAZiH8AADQ1L.jpg

11: Rachel (Resident Evil)
https://i.imgur.com/Bar4k7J.png

12: Beyonce and Rihanna
https://i.imgur.com/0Wo0xIg.jpg

13: First Contact With Intelligent Extraterrestrial Life
https://i.imgur.com/3axrqwB.png

14: Spiderman
https://i.imgur.com/nhfiZ2l.jpg

15: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
https://i.imgur.com/hrAsRVa.jpg

16: Dagoth Ur
https://i.imgur.com/pwSBCjE.png

17: Cake.... I mean what where you expecting?
https://i.imgur.com/fWYonKZ.jpg

18: Commander Sisko and Dr Bashir
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/9/AAZiH8AADWmD.jpg

19: Omega Weapon
https://i.imgur.com/JvecfQh.png

20: Amber Heard
https://i.imgur.com/aHE0rqY.jpg

21: Tifa
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/8/9/AAZiH8AADQhJ.png

22: Micheal B Jordan
https://i.imgur.com/NYwn01T.jpg

23: Jesus
https://i.imgur.com/xVLuaED.jpg

How do you react?
What do you do?

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TopicImagine a world where Mr Rogers ran for President with a Trump personality
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:51:53 AM
#2
i mean if he has a Trump Personality it's not Mr Rogers

It's like saying "imagine a world were Jesus conquered Spain with Tanks and Machine guns."

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TopicIt's amazing how many people allow themselves to be interrogated by police
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 7:05:01 AM
#30
If you ever watch Bruce Rivers (Real life Saul Goodman) pretty much 30% of every video he does is about self-snitching and telling people over and over and over to never talk to police. Call their lawyer

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TopicIs Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (2023) the most progressive game ever made? SPOILERS
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 6:40:26 AM
#34
superbot400 posted...
What did you mean by this? In what ****ing universe is supporting a country that got invaded by Russia is progressive signaling.
Our one sadly

The right wing is very pro-Russia and pro-Putin. If Trump waspresident, Ukraine would not have support

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TopicThis TED talk caused a controversy such that TED almost didn't release it.
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 6:24:07 AM
#10
myztikrice posted...
Thought this would be about actual color blindness, shame


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TopicSo it's been over 8 years now, why haven't you played Undertale?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 6:10:45 AM
#22
I'm surprised so many people on CE played it and didn't like it.

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TopicWould it still be vegetarian to eat a Weepinbell?
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 6:08:02 AM
#1
Weepinbell has no meat. It's alive but so are all plants.

But it is intelligent, at least as intelligent as any goat. So it's not vegan, but is it vegetarian?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/5/AAZiH8AAE9Sz.jpg

What do you think?


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TopicGGOA Plays: Resident Evil 7: Biohazard -ongoing spoilers-
UnfairRepresent
10/21/23 6:02:04 AM
#74
Yeah Joe Baker is possibly the toughest non infected character in all of RE.

Why you only playing in October?
GameGodOfAll posted...


Why was Chris' called Not a Hero btw? Chris is like the biggest hero in the world and has saved the planet anywhere between 3 and 6 times.

Yeah no idea on that. Chris spends the entire game being ridiclously heoric.

I think it was because he was working for Umbrella but the game did absolutely nothing morally grey or non-heroic at all. He's literally the most heoric character in the series.

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