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I mean one of the two exceptions was a dude that literally left the entire continent immediately so, yeah.

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That's interesting since they changed the name in the localization but they made sure to change both of those to the same thing.

Wonder if they had some kind of insider input on that one or they just noticed too and were covering their bases

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I actually don't think it plays in 5-3, but I would love to see a video proving that wrong. Don't know about 5-6 but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't play there either

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Yeah it actually kicks in right at the same time they reveal the main twist and Apollo starts explaining the whole convoluted situation lol

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I thought 5-2 was mostly a sleeper until the TWEEST which was legit amusing. Also that scene was one of the only instances where Confess the Truth plays in DD and that's a pretty epic song lol

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People talk about 3rd case syndrome but I realized that I had a harder time coming up with a top tier 2nd case than I did 3rd case

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Considering they only hype the prosecutor on one account and that's the fact that people DIE MYSTERIOUSLY when he gets involved is that you saying that you hope more of your clients die in the 2nd game lol

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That's not even supposed to be a point of confusion

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Yeah, that was pretty blatant padding. There didn't really need to be a 3rd chapter for the first case. Overall I liked it though. Thought her breakdown would involve showing her eyes though. I like how her mask changes expression though.

It felt more like they really wanted to implement the teeth marks vs knife cut idea because it is kind of a neat difference but they didn't know of a good way to get to that point.

Also did anyone else find it unnatural how everyone just straight up ignores the possibility that she could have poisoned the cup instead of the bottle. Like it's fine that she didn't but you need to at least address why she couldn't have done that in the story because it feels like a logical hole to straight up go the bottle wasn't poisoned=no poison at all. I swear the fact that she conveniently removed her glass from the scene was like one giant red herring to mislead the player in that direction too but they don't ever explain why that path is a dead end.

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Episode 1 is definitely the longest Episode 1 by far, but 2 actually felt kind of short for episode 2 standards

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Well that's most likely because a lot of people checked out of the series after 4 so the overall number of people even playing 5 and 6 are much lower

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GAA2 was voted as the 2nd favorite game in the series in a Japanese survey even though it's not even part of the main series. I'd say that says a lot

https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/research/articles/212106/ for reference

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In the sense that it's not explained in the story, yeah. You have to fill in the blank yourself

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It's not about controlling them or not, it's about whether that would be possible without changing reality. The entire point of the Azure Tree was upgrading her so that she has the ability to straight out rewrite reality which would allow her to do things that would otherwise not be originally possible.

Without it, the only thing she can do is operate within cause-and-effect that already exists. It's quite possible that the 'result' of Joachim living does not actually exist period in the current cause-and-effect possibilities without first having to rewrite reality in some way.

In fact, the entire point of joining Maribel's plan in the first place was because out of all the possible realities that she read, it was apparently the only one with a decent future. That entire act itself should show you how limited she was in what she could do without first getting Maribel's assistance. That's actually an interesting scene(where it shows her right before she calls Maribel at the start of chapter 4) because your first time through you're like ??? since it's kind of cryptic but if you go back to it with the full story in mind it's like "ohhh, so that's what she was talking about."

After becoming the tree she most likely was going to rewrite reality into one where not only Joachim was alive, but also a bunch of other people. Like, that was the point

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she could have chose a way he didn't die or prevented his death if she wanted to

First, you don't know that.

Second, are you seriously saying that not saving someone is the same as killing them or was that just a weird attempt at a joke

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Regardless of the fact that she obviously wouldn't just want to straight up kill someone, I think there's the issue of if she'd even be capable of something like that at that point.

The game conveniently never tells or shows us what exactly it is that she changed to cause this difference but my favorite theory is that all she did was make a butterfly go into Colin's path causing him to chase it thus causing a chain reaction that led to all the differences. A literal "butterfly effect". A change on that scale would be a lot minor than say, erasing someone so it's plausible that in an incomplete state she would be able to still do something like that.

(On that note, I've seen a lot of people be under the impression that she made this change retroactively after the ceremony that turned her blue and powered her up, but I think it's pretty clear from the text that this is a change she made before any of that actually happened. Just in case this talk of "incomplete" is confusing someone.)

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Also Joachim was already gone at the time that happened.

Or are you proposing that an instinctual release of her incomplete powers derived from a primal emotional response should also have the ability to pinpoint control what she changes whenever she wants because I don't think it works that way

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I definitely thought the ending portion felt like a botched rush job but in the end it's a minor problem in the big picture

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What a loaded poll jesus christ

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Would actually be curious to see a poll between Apollo's AJ, AA5, and AA6 objection themes lol

The only reason I hesitate to vote for AJ here is because there are 2 other rockers just like it coming later anyway

The same for 3's theme since I view the new themes basically just an upgraded better version

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CS1 is overall a well-balanced and good OST. It just doesn't have as many standouts that really jump out. Though arguably if you look at the average quality of every track it's one of the best in the CS series.

It's just missing a Blue Destination/Spiral of Erebos/To the Future

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I'd take GAA's actual Allegro over the Closing Argument theme but I can see why you chose that one instead since it is more distinguished from Moderato

GAA actual Allegro might legit by my favorite though

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I think you're misremembering something. Garcia doesn't have anything to do with that. Are you thinking of Marconi?

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...What thing with his brother's badge?

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Leonhart4 posted...

this joke has always annoyed me because the biggest Friend is Joey

Well if you go by height instead of overall build then it really is Ross

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Speaking of spoilerish The GAA2's new prosecutor theme is great but I definitely wouldn't include that on the list either lol

This might actually be the hardest one so far because Godot, Blackquill, Van Zieks, and to a lesser extent Klavier are all in the same general range for me.

The Edgeworth/Von Karma themes give off a nice triumphant feel but they're kind of repetitive as music

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2002 is a better song but 2001 is the OG that had a bunch of arrangements made of it and is basically the main theme of the series at this point. Voting for that one feels like it's voting for the leitmotif in general and I wouldn't call that overrated.

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5-5 isn't even my favorite but there was obviously so much effort put into it that I kind of have to vote for it lol

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Also wondering if Partners is going to count as a character ability song because I fucking love that one

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Hard not to vote Revisualization just based on how it's always hype as hell when it plays. As an actual song though I'm pretty sure I'd take Mood Matrix instead

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That is correct, although more specifically Sword Cassius > Loewe was never stated, it was just stated that Cassius is somewhat inferior to him without his sword. That doesn't necessarily translate to him being superior to him with his sword, it's still possible that they could just be equal. It would be more accurate to say Cassius w/Sword >= Loewe > Cassius w/Staff.

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I don't think you can draw that conclusion based on just the order you fight them but we do get the answer to that eventually both through the narrative and the words of the director. I personally got the impression that Cassius was stronger which is apparently incorrect, at least at he last point they were both alive lol

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colliding posted...

Renne sucks

I mean yeah that was what the door was about wasn't it

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Damn I was the only one to vote for GAA2.

That's so good though

Oh wait I just voted for the wrong one lol

Well imagine there's another vote for The Adventure's End

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Cornered Heart was one of the best songs in that game so

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To be fair the identity of that masked character was already spoiled before the game even came out if you watched pre-release videos and had working ears. They didn't really try hard to hide it lol

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Kind of sad to see Garan in E her prosecutor form is just so stupid and ridiculous I can't rank it that low

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The Investigations crew taking up over 50% of the poll percentage whoop whoop

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I'm more put off by Nahyuta's hypocrisy than his assholiness. "how dare you defend this person you're going to hell btw trying to pin the crime on an obviously innocent person is totally cool and awesome don't @ me"

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Would be between Blackquill and van Zieks for me and the latter isn't even on the poll so

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I'm actually surprised 2-4 is kicking 1-5's ass. Seems like the 1-5 villain is always brought up as a favorite whereas 2-4 always seems to get ignored.

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Also "pick the evidence you present and pick the person you present it to" is one of my favorite evidence presenting moments because the open-endedness makes it feel more satisfying(even though it's not actually difficult to figure out)

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5-1 was an inch off from shooting and killing an innocent man(literally only survived because of a practical miracle) despite being part of law enforcement so I'mma have to dock points for that.

The only reason I'd vote for 4-1 is because of the memes though

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I mean, it's a spoiler in the same sense that knowing Anakin becomes Darth Vader going into Star Wars 1-3 is a spoiler.

It's kind of a "duh" spoiler, not something I'd say that really needs fixing. In order to not make it obvious you'd have to change more than just the ending.

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I mean, I guess he's normal if you ignore what he tried to do in his case

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Surprised Lloyd is doing fairly well just based on Zero. He didn't really grow on me until Ao. Though maybe most of the voters already played Ao, I dunno.

Randy is still top dog though

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There are definitely some good doors but saving them all to do all at once sounds like it could get tiring. Balancing them evenly throughout the entire game would have been better

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Yeah how you gonna call out a Damien voter and ignore the Wocky voter

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It helps that the villain of 6-2 was such a hateable piece of crap that it made you feel bad for the defendant even more

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Damn what a solid list. If it wasn't for Filtch they'd all be winners.

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