Lurker > SwayM

2.Be born rich. AKA repeat step one.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

This would be so good without all that extra shit

Even the bonus content thing by itself would have been fine

What a waste.

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Lairen posted...

Its not fun.

I think games should delete themselves when you die. Ever. Thats realistic.

AlisLandale posted...

We need more micro-management. Individual bullet clips!

Realistic bullet damage! It was only a shot in the leg? Too bad! It knicked an artery, youre dead!

Respawn? There is no respawning in real life! Get that video game magic out of here. Trade in your game and never play it again, youve only got one life to live and you wasted yours!

;P

Do you both have problems with compartmentalization?

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Yes, and it doesn't have to work like a real life gun for a game like CoD.

Yet they model it, make it sound and behave as close to the real life version as their engine allows

They take liberties, but that isn't the point.

You've drawn a line in the sand and are just arguing based on the fact that most games haven't changed simply because "That's the way we've always done it"

And nothing to do with realism

Again

SwayM posted...

Right. And games should have more moment to moment variances in gameplay where someone enters a firefight with a full magazine and one with 1/3rd left. I think moments like that would create interesting dynamics much needed in a genre that hasn't had a lot of innovation in years.

See this post for reasons why this should be in more video games. Every FPS using the exact same concepts for no reason is stale. You shouldn't want things to be stale for absolutely no reason

And continuing to hide behind "Well it's not supposed to be realistic" isn't an argument. It's a line in the sand they cross it a moments notice. If you don't like it that's fine, but what you're arguing isn't logical.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

As opposed to treating absolutely every other aspect of the games as magic?

Without obvious examples like "extended mags" every AK-47 in every single game is going to look basically the same, shoot basically the same and have a 30 round magazine

It's not magic

It's a real life gun

This isn't a hard concept.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Yeah you kinda are. That's a very sim centric feature.

lol, no it's not

At some point FPS stopped being the original DOOM and started to become more like COD

Somewhere along the way, we never lost the idea that ammo is magic

This has nothing to do with a sim experience. I'm not asking for every game to have a mechanic that we can manually reload individual bullets into a magazine. Again, just more games would stop treating bullets like magic.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Being based on real life is not the same as being realistic.

Right. And I'm not asking for COD to be a sim.

But this, along with how much effort they put in modeling real world weapons. Including their ammo capacity and firing characteristics. This is a very, very very small ask. I just wish more games would do it.

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AzurexNightmare posted...

It's not in games

It is in games.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Which CoD is not.

Now you're just being foolish. It's based on real life. Stop being obtuse.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

CoD is an action game with military dressing.

Hence the phrase, remotely realistic.

If you're firing real guns, in "realistic" scenarios, then reloading should be somewhat realistic. The weapons sound, look, and somewhat feel how they're supposed to. The animations are all legit. Yet your ammo count is magic. That's such a small piece of it. I'm not asking for an entire re-imagining of what COD or any of these games are.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Reloading breaks up the action. If that action is your primary focus, then you should not have reloading. Reloading isn't bad per se, but it should be restricted to games that are trying to be more grounded, or it feels out of place

Right. And games should have more moment to moment variances in gameplay where someone enters a firefight with a full magazine and one with 1/3rd left. I think moments like that would create interesting dynamics much needed in a genre that hasn't had a lot of innovation in years.

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Most games do it because it's a bad mechanic and not very fun.

"Reloading isn't fun. Guns should just have infinite ammo"

It's not "fun" because you're spoiled by something else.

Obviously video games need to draw lines in the sand somewhere. But this has just taught people really bad habits and it's completely unnecessary.

Edit. Unnecessary isn't really the right term I'm looking for. In any game that paints itself remotely realistic, it should be in here. It should be standard in any COD, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, etc.

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Really realistic shooters like Arma and Tarkov do it

And then the odd game here and there.

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Like every time you reload a magazine with bullets still in it, those bullets don't magically empty out.

If you have a magazine with 10/30 bullets still in it, when you run out of full mags, that should come back. Along with the one you reloaded with 4, and 2 and 1, etc, etc, etc.

It shouldn't be about having a theoretical infinite amount of magazines that will just take scraps here and there from your total ammo count. You should only have as many magazines as you can carry, and only as many bullets in those that you shot, or taken the time to fill back up with bullets yourself.

Obviously some games are more "arcadey" than others and this is fine when it's all magic. But frankly, so many of these games try to push realism to a degree and stop short here. They should retrain people that twitch reloading isn't always a good thing, and you should keep better track of your bullets.

Just a thought.

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E32005 posted...

so this instead of a sequel?

They're still doing a sequel

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Island countries will also have a significant advantage in keeping people where theyre supposed to be in times like this

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Conflict posted...

I'd say there are other more concerning matters that need to be advanced before this

There is no place in this world for your shortsighted bullshit. Let someone tell you how things can be better. Big or small.

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DEKMStephens posted...

incurs a small fee

gross

Funkydog posted...

the lengthiest bit being taking it our of your purse/wallet and moving it to the terminal.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rvj8Cc35ss&t=1m49s

i have a wallet like this. I keep my debit card with the tap out at the bottom (or I guess at the top of the fan depending on how you want to think of it). So I literally dont even have to take it out of my wallet. I just hit the button, it fans out and I just hold it over the machine. Feels real good.

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Also covid has been the best thing for the drive through fast food experience. Seriously.

before covid the person at the window would try and hand you this whole ass debit machine, cords hanging out the window and shit. and I never wanted any part of the ownership of it. I would always just say to hold it or just try and tap it quick.

now they have the whole machine on a stick and I never have to touch the fuckin thing.

Thanks covid. You did one thing right.

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SiO4 posted...

Because first half the time you have to explain it.
Second people are trying to mash their card into the reader before you prompt the reader.
When you tell them to hold on a second they tend to pull their card away.
When the reader is ready they tend to sloppily tap at it until it finally works.

All while they could have just handed me the damn thing and it could have been done.

In my experience, the people who go on about the tap function are just control freaks....being helpful.

omg your system is garbage.

Heres how it works in the great nation of Canada. Literally everywhere you go except for maybe the odd mom and pop shop holdout.

Cashier: okay your total is $37.50
me: okie *tippie taps my lil card on the machine
*one second later
cashier: okay here you go *hands me the receipt and my items and Im gone*

Yall are 20 years behind us da fuck


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SK8T3R215 posted...

Wait 5 seconds for it to acknowledge card.

5 seconds????

It literally maybe takes one second if that here. 5 is a lot.

So what im getting here is you guys just got it and therefore a lot of places dont have the right machines yet?


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Choco posted...

as a german
what is that

The debit machine will have a little wireless spot on it, you simply place your card over the sensor and the transaction will automatically complete. No swipe, no touching the machine even. Weve had this for years well before covid.

CommonStar posted...

We do

My information may be faulty then

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Are you 20 years behind us?

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I just put my dog down 2 months ago. A lot of the decision making in the end wasnt just about his quality of life, it also became about the financial burden to me at some point.

Thats a shitty situation for anyone to be in. Weighing the cost of a loved ones life. Thats what they are though, loved ones. To anyone that wants to try and move mountains to buy one more day, I feel for them. Thats their choice to make but its a choice they will have to make. Its not easy, thats for sure.

Im appreciative of the fact we have the ability to choose when it comes to our pets. To not let them suffer a day more than they have to, dont even extend that to ourselves in most cases.

But a loved one should never be a financial burden. And Im talking principal here. It fucking blows how expensive vets and medical care is. And for that to even be in the equation is horse shit.

But again, its your loved one, your money, your time. What you choose is up to you and I dont judge anyone for their choices. Its a fucked up system no matter what way you look at it.

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FortuneCookie posted...

it was

Incorrect.

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Antivax

Anti-mask

Covid is a hoax

Age of Ultron is a bad movie.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You absolutely can blame the fanbase, at least partially.

Yes, the trilogy was incompetently handled by Disney. It's also a fact that the Star Wars fanbase is passionately volatile and Disney was relying on fan feedback to decide on what direction to take the trilogy, as any business is naturally going to do.

The one time where Disney actually let a director rock out on his creative vision, uninhibited by what the fans wanted or expected, it became one of the most hated films in the entire franchise and totally killed any interest in future films.

And while yes, you can't blame fans for not liking your movie, you can point out the fact that the Star Wars fanbase is generally adverse to anything that challenges their preconceived notion of what Star Wars should be and that's largely affected the direction the franchise has taken.

Also completely agree with this.

The fans arent completely out of the woods here. Being THAT toxic to your own property to the point the company to bows to your tune is never a good thing.

Because everyone has a different idea of what Star Wars is. Theres never gonna be consistency here.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Also, I will say that TLJ is retroactively made worse by TRoS trying to undo everything that it did, leading to the impression that there was "nowhere to go" after TLJ.

Would anybody have given a fuck about Snoke being killed off so suddenly if what followed was a movie of Kylo Ren fully taking the helm of the Big Bad, instead of just being a pawn in someone else's hands? Would Rose be such a negatively received character if they gave her an interesting character arc in the next movie instead of literally pretending like she doesn't exist? Could the Canto Bight sequence have been redeemed on some level if the themes introduced there (namely the fact that weapon profiteers and other opportunists are both-sidesing the war because they don't give a fuck about who the good or bad guys are) were expanded upon later on? I get that movies are typically meant to be standalone pieces but Star Wars doesn't exactly get that luxury anymore because so much of it revolves around universe building and people are constantly asking "What's next?"

Instead of at least justifying TLJ's place in the Star Wars saga, Disney actively made it worse, and in doing so made the entire Sequel Trilogy look bad. That was definitely the wrong play.

I couldnt agree more with this post.

The backlash of TLJ whether it had merit or not should have NEVER been met with actively trying to dismantle in the sequel.

Youre absolutely right. They should have, and easily could have continued the story threads and done the most with all the pieces they had.

It seems like sour grapes on JJs end that RJ threw away a couple of his mystery boxes. And like your post proves, it takes very little effort to look at the pieces they had and make a good coherent story and continuation from TLJ.

If you as creators believe you could do better. Do better. Dont try and make the previous work worse by undoing it.

Ives is before that TLJ would age like wine. I said it before we even had one trailer or idea of what ROS was going to be. I dont think its a perfect film by any means and I have my gripes. But I enjoyed it. And I think my point was proven hard by how bas ROS was and their choices directly in response to TLJ.


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but you do raise some good points about General Grievous. Excluding the original trilogy. Both the prequels and sequel trilogy handle their villains terribly.

Tons of wasted potential. Not enough build up. And are killed off so anticlimactically.

Maul. Grievous. Dooku. Phasma. Snoke. Knights of Ren. Hux. any Im forgetting?

Should have done a lot more with wha they had. All of these could have been a lot better on paper than what they ended up being.

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marthsheretoo posted...

Are you saying the main villain of the climactic film should've been a gaggle of characters that have been name-dropped once?

No. They could have had someone leading them from the First Order. Be it Kylo Ren or some other old white dude. But they could have had at least one full movie of character development and be a credible threat and thing of interest.

Point is, its JJs idea. He should have had some kind of plan for it. Trying to blame RJ for not utilizing JJs ideas is just silly when JJ himself has 2/3 movies to play with and did nothing with them.

JJ: Alright Here we have the Knights of Ren. They are like a bad ass rogues gallery established by Kylo Ren. Maybe potential Sith? Possibilities are endless Rian

RJ: Nah not my thing but you go nuts bro

JJ: uh...I guess well have one Stormtrooper remark how cool they are and then...well Im out of ideas here.

Hack city bitch. Hack hack city bitch

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marthsheretoo posted...

Now you have one film left to introduce a "new" group of villains,

And?

The MCU has shown you can let directors and writers go off and play and introduce 8 new characters in the 21st movie in the series and it can still be a cohesive, well told story.

Thats what happens when you have a plan in place and you trust the talented people youve hired to do their job.

JJ had a villain problem in 9 in the sense that RJ killed off his lame ass palpatine ripoff. So what does he do? Fall back on the knights of Ren? His own brainchild? Nah. Relegates them to useless henchmen levels and resurrects fucking Palpatine.

What a hack.

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closetkpopfan posted...

You do realize you could apply this same statement to Episode 8? RJ actively dismantled everything episode 7 set up, JJ turning right back around and doing the same to him was fitting. Both movies were garbage, but RJ is clearly the one who screwed things up.

For the better. He threw out JJs garbage ideas and opened it up to new possibilities. He still gave JJ all the thread in the world to play with and JJ still went and hung himself with it.

JJ had all these good ideas in 7 and then by 9 when the ideas are still on the table, clueless how to use them. Rey. Kylo. Finn. Nights of Ren. Poe. Good ideas. Good characters. Wasted.

And when he got close to a good idea in 9 he immediately undoes it in his own movie. Rey using force lightning to kill Chewie? Most interesting plot development since you put a cross guard on a lightsabre. Bitch you thought. Psych. Got us so good. Just a misdirection undone 5 minutes later.

No stakes. Nothing happens. Waste of everyones time. And just a boring heap of garbage in the end.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The Force did not choose Luke. Luke chose to believe in the force. Yoda reinforced anyone can use the force.

Lineage...

cjsdowg posted...

Being a Jedi has never been a blood thing pass down by just the right family . That happened once

Its literally the plot of the original trilogy. The prequels try and tell us some bullshit number of McMuffins in your blood determines your connection to the force. And the sequel trilogy retconned the idea that anyone could be a Jedi. We never get to see this idea play out.

cjsdowg posted...

That normally doesn't happen to any normal Jedi.

Weve seen such a tiny window of what a normal Jedi is

cjsdowg posted...

you can't be nobody and chosen one.

We never needed a chosen one plot, is my point.

cjsdowg posted...

What does your boy RJ do

https://youtu.be/UzeIb-TZo_I

This. This is exactly the kind of scene Im talking about. But this should have been in the final film of the trilogy, maybe why it was cut. At the very least it gave JJ room to have a scene just like this, though it could have been far more powerful.

At the end of the day, RJ pushed his character a lot father than JJ did. JJ started with some really good ideas. But when given the keys back to this car, he chose to drive it right into a lake.

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cjsdowg posted...

One most of the Jedi we know are no one , this isn't a new idea.
Two she can't be a nobody the force literally choose her, she is a choosen one.

First of all. Ima need you, and the rest of the internet, to finally understand that dismissing shit because its not a new idea is not a valid form of criticism.

Second. This as an idea hasnt been explored at all in the movies. Keep your extended universe out of this discussion cus I couldnt care less.

TLJ told us Rey is nobody. She comes from
some copy and paste desert planet. Her parents were drunks. Shes no one. Yet she wields the force like a Jedi Master. She is no one but makes herself someone through the force. The idea that TLJ is trying to imply is the force didnt chose her, she chose the force. Id like to see more of that personally. That anyone can chose the force, anyone can become someone, and lineages dont matter. And what you do with that choice matters. Because you can choose the light or dark side. They have all the building blocks right there.

Someone said in this topic well its not like JJ had a lot of room to work coming off TLJ

What a sad lack of imagination you have indeed.

JJ put the lightsabre in Finns hands too, remember. Right there in the force Awakens. Then, in his own damn movie makes him a smuck at the end of his journey.

Finn SHOULD have had a scene at the climax of episode 9 where someone once again calls him a traitor and defector and shame him for it. Instead he bites back about how he was raised under imperial propaganda. First order bullshit. Taught to fall in line. Never question shit. Be a Storm Trooper. Physically and mentally. How powerful could you make that message when he says he had the strength to say no, flip the script and think for himself. Make his own choice, try to do things right. Then not only that, he chose the force.

#MakeFinnAJediAgain

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May have been one of the dumbest things in franchise history.

Them actively trying to dismantle the work of the previous film and throw shade at it was a bad look on all fronts. Especially considering its by far the worst film out of all 9.

They should have 100% explored the idea that Rey is nobody. Anybody can wield the force.

Instead JJ chose some fanfic level plot. Also relegated their most interesting main character, Finn, to background character.

What a colossal waste of time for everyone involved.

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And this is why CE clearly should never be listened to.

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All the incels defending this shitshow in this topic now have egg on their face.

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There was just a thread calling out a ton of shit in the game as creepy and weird and imagine all the incels defending it here.

edit: its literally on the front page.

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Theres a lot of things to love about Shaq. I love his boisterousness to a degree, it can be quite funny sometimes. Google me is hilarious.

But its clear hes never outgrowing this competition mindset. And it makes him look very small sometimes. Which is aint easy for someone thats 71. But he does it on the regular.

Its just childish and In poor sport a lot of times.


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Heartomaton posted...

TC, bro. Broseidon. Bromeo. Broseph Stalin. I get it. I love eating meat, and I legitimately don't care that animals die because people eat it.

...But you're not winning this.

This isnt something to be won. CE has a funny way of thinking everything is a win/lose scenario.

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GrabASnickers posted...

You agree that eating meat is bad

I dont agree to this at all.

GrabASnickers posted...

There are going to be inefficiencies and energy losses there. If you give them better diets and more space it becomes a higher environmental cost.

This is very true. And why Ive been trying to remind people we live in an imperfect world, were never going to have a perfect solution to this problem.

Unless yall wanna eat bugs. Bugs are very energy efficient.

GrabASnickers posted...

There's also the health aspect too.

I dont actively follow any, but through my internet journeys Ive seen a ton of fitness peoples tell about their exercise routines and their meal prep. Not a single one was vegan or vegetarian.


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ThyCorndog posted...

so are we talking about not changing eating habits at all because you're never going to get 100%? is this some stupid futility fallacy?

It shouldnt be up to anyone but themselves to change eating habits

Again. Why waste time and energy on something were never going to agree on. What we do both agree with is that meat production shouldnt be cruel. Thats a fight we could win.

GrabASnickers posted...

Well it's not a 100% perfect solution, so we might as well not change anything"

If you were paying attention. Im all for changing things for the better. But we live in reality. Not this fantasy land where people are going to stop eating meat. We cant do anything about that. But that doesnt mean we cant do nothing either.


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ThyCorndog posted...

TC do you not know what supply and demand is?

Youre not gonna convince the word to not eat meat just like you cant convince a lion to do the same, as people are saying in this topic.

The better fight would be to standardize being as cruelty free as meat production could possibly be. Rather than try and win an unwinnable fight.

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Rexdragon125 posted...

Properly grilled mushrooms can be done up like tender juicy steak

Spoken like someones whos never eaten steak.

I will say some of the beyond meat burgers Ive had were decent. But other that that. There isnt a single substitute food that was remotely comparable to the real thing. And you can fuck right off with cauliflower anything. Its not this miracle substitute food lol. Its a boring, tasteless thing which cant mimic the texture of anything but itself.

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TheLiarParadox posted...

That's why veganism is about reducing animal suffering as much as possible

I dont have any problem with that. In fact. I think we should actively try and pursue this, meat eaters and vegans alike.

But just dont kid yourself in thinking youre saving lives by not consuming meat.

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ThyCorndog posted...

less animals die if everyone ate vegan

Animals die during the production of crops though. Thats the point. shit is gonna die. no matter what we do. Thousands. Millions of
animals. Even if the world was 100% vegan. Rabbits and birds are getting eaten up by farm equipment every day.

ThyCorndog posted...

that's not true at all. the dairy industry is already suffering because of plant milks like oat milk.

Suffering? Lets see some links.

Maybe they are who am I to say. But suffering is a large claim. Also milk substitutes arent strictly vegan options. There are a lot more people with lactose intolerances. There are a lot people who simply prefer healthier options and it has nothing to do with being a vegan.

But no one has been able to make a vegan cheese worth a damn yet. Milk and dairy products arent going anywhere.

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https://www.quora.com/Has-veganism-and-vegetarianism-had-any-tangible-impact-on-the-meat-industry

linking this simply for this quote.

Each year, 25,000 Holocausts-worth of animals are put to death for food on this planet. 25 ~thousand~ Holocausts-worth.

Dear lord. These people are serious too.

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https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2018/07/how-many-animals-killed-in-agriculture/

Unless youre growing 100% of your own food. Animals are gonna die.

ThyCorndog posted...

without having to actually kill an animal for it.

Theyre gonna have burgers at McDonalds every single day, the second you want them. You cant put the meat back on the cow. Youre not saving a single life choosing this diet.

If you think the production of meat is cruel, youre probably right and we should be taking more steps to actively make it better. But simply not eating meat means nothing to the lives of these creatures.

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Like 90% of CE topics are the same way lol. CE is edgy/contrarian as f*** and will do anything to troll the TC/OP. -Touch

Also plants are living. They also have to die to be on your plate.

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Like 90% of CE topics are the same way lol. CE is edgy/contrarian as f*** and will do anything to troll the TC/OP. -Touch

Funkydog posted...

Because I'd rather not have something die when it doesn't need to?

Its gonna be dead either way. I never understood this argument. Theyre not killing less animals cus vegans exist.

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Like 90% of CE topics are the same way lol. CE is edgy/contrarian as f*** and will do anything to troll the TC/OP. -Touch