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That's mainly my argument. Waluigi fans have more reason to be vocal because they had more hope than Bomberman fans, and thus more likely to be disappointed.
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Zigzagoon posted...

If you want to argue that Waluigi would be next in line if they were to add a new Mario character. Then sure, that could be an argument, but Kirby had 0 new playables added from Brawl to Smash 4 so we can't always expect series to have new playable characters from them.

No, but that wasn't what I said.

I said that Waluigi logically would be perceived as more likely to get in than Bomberman.
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Nah, I'd take MWC, Vlado, and probably Ulti to get less.
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Zigzagoon posted...

Why did Waluigi have much higher chances to be playable than Bomberman? The only thing that could really prove that is Sakurai specifically saying he wanted to have Waluigi as playable before but ran out of time or something like that. (IE. Geno)

Just literally by actually being a Nintendo character, for one

Also Super Bomberman R was announced for non-Nintendo systems not too long ago, which also should have made his chances seem less likely since it takes away the "He's in an exclusive Switch game" logic.
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I will agree that there's the argument that all of this has started only because Waluigi was confirmed as an AT while characters like King K. Rool and Decidueye still have a chance at being playable. But the fact that Bomberman was even close to Waluigi (even ahead) in terms of people wanting him playable is actually probably the biggest thing.

Are you still referring to the same numbers you posted? Because you said that was before the Direct, so I'm not sure how Bomberman being an AT correlates.

I THINK his argument is that Bomberman fans aren't being so vocal now that he is deconfirmed compared to Waluigi's.

Oh, that makes sense

Doesn't seem all that logical, though. Bomberman didn't seem likely to begin with, and Bomberman was never an AT before, so Bomberman fans don't have as much reason to be vocal. Waluigi had much higher chances to be playable than Bomberman had, and was one of the most likely to be upgraded from an AT to playable, so they have more reason to be vocal. Especially since Daisy was added.
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Zigzagoon posted...

I will agree that there's the argument that all of this has started only because Waluigi was confirmed as an AT while characters like King K. Rool and Decidueye still have a chance at being playable. But the fact that Bomberman was even close to Waluigi (even ahead) in terms of people wanting him playable is actually probably the biggest thing.

Are you still referring to the same numbers you posted? Because you said that was before the Direct, so I'm not sure how Bomberman being an AT correlates.
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GANON1025 posted...

Hey I got the last report and it just made a new Final Chapter save so I don't have to repeat the final boss! Maybe that's a new thing for Final Mix

Oh, awesome to know!

I know in the original if you got any after the fact you had to beat the final boss as that character again for it to register. They must have changed it since, which is great.
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Keep in mind that if you didn't get Terra's during his story, you need to beat his final boss again after getting it
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But removing star tournaments isn't like removing story

It's more like removing Arcade and Survival and Trials
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I grind at the mysterious tower or whatever. Two three stage battles right outside, then all you gotta do is go in the door and right back out

The enemies don't give quite as much experience but it's a super quick pace. Great for grinding out abilities, too.
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That's part of why his plan was working

He had actually been talking about it the entire time, but everybody just thought he was senile
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Just imagine a keyblade war of all Xehanorts

And they all want the KEYblade
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Peridiam posted...

I also think it's kinda crappy that they have these opponents in the single player but won't let us play as them for several months down the line.

Also, this.

I defended it before I knew you actually faced them in single player
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To be fair, they were very smart from a business sense

The demo showed off the gameplay, which is great and made people go "I can't wait to see the other content!"

The problem is Nintendo was then like "Other content? What other content?"
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The single player is pretty much non-existent

Care to elaborate here? I don't have the game but I played three levels in story mode on my friend's copy yesterday and those alone were more meaningful single player content than I've seen in the entirety of all the other Mario sports games I've played. (Except for the Gameboy ones, those were awesome.)

The Adventure mode is basically repeats of the same three/four objectives for about 3 hours. And then they took out star tournaments. So once you've "Hit panels for X points!" or "Rally for X points!" about a dozen times, there's nothing else to do. Nothing to unlock or earn.

Star tournaments atleast gave you something to do, as it unlocked better versions of the characters.
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I don't think I've ever been as disappointed by a game before

The demo seemed great. Turns out the demo was of the only decent part of the game. The single player is pretty much non-existent, the gimmick courts are garbage, and the lack of actual options/settings is just... What the hell
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Found it. It was the Mega Man 8 race. They accepted the any% race but only included three of the four.

There was also a lot of solo submissions that also had stuff like "Would also race with X" which is always a nice way to include more people and yet didn't go with hardly any of those.

Between stuff like that and then them suddenly putting up the rule about not telling people why they declined them this year, it was sorta weird.

I'm looking at GDQ submissions, and it looks like usedpizza didn't submit Mega Man 8. GDQ's stance has always been that people can't volunteer others -- everyone has to submit.

Also, GDQ hasn't told people why they're rejected for years. That's kind of how it has to be when there's over a thousand submissions.

He did. He showed his submission page on stream where it was marked as declined.

EDIT: I also believe they never replied to any queries about it, though I'm not completely sure on that one since something about it upset him and he just stopped talking about it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

What is OoT Bingo?

There's basically a randomized Bingo card of stuff to accomplish, like "Get the Biggoron's Sword" or "Beat the Fire Temple"
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Found it. It was the Mega Man 8 race. They accepted the any% race but only included three of the four.

There was also a lot of solo submissions that also had stuff like "Would also race with X" which is always a nice way to include more people and yet didn't go with hardly any of those.

Between stuff like that and then them suddenly putting up the rule about not telling people why they declined them this year, it was sorta weird.
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dowolf posted...

...Or one of the participants suddenly wasn't able to come.

(and looking through the schedule, I'm genuinely not even sure what game you're talking about)

I watch the guy that submitted, nobody knows why they cut him. I'll have to look back what game it was, but usedpizza randomly got cut from a race that got accepted.
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I'm not a fan of some of the things they've been doing lately

Like, this year there's a case where they accepted a race, yet randomly cut one of the participants because ???

It was submitted as a 4 person race and got accepted as a 3 person race
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The 8 plus is pretty great
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slow motion reaction to being blinded by the light from villain FD's mirror, sending path slightly askew
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still slow motion diving
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no

don't

slow motion dive in front of credit card
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Sounds like they based it on Google Trends
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Yeah, I'd agree uniqueness is a bigger thing than continuity

I was simply arguing continuity makes people interested in movies like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and so on when they might not have been without it, whereas there's none of that whatsoever for Solo
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How is that disingenuous?

Thor Ragnarok was able to advertise explaining where Hulk and Thor were during their absence from Civil War.
GotG2 was coming off of GotG1 being a huge hit

Both of those were doubled or close to it by Black Panther

You're arguing it's more sound to believe that one cool fight scene from Civil War outweighed the other two enough to have Black Panther trounce them by THAT much, and it had nothing to do with any of the stuff Cly is saying?
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But no other movie after Civil War saw that kind of turnout, or even close to it. Black Panther is definitely an outlier.
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Black Panther was closer to doubling Civil War in domestic gross than not, so I'd say there's logic to the argument
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I mean I'm not saying Marvel is a "You HAVE to see this or else"

I'm just saying they all connect and that makes people want to see most of them. Like, if Avengers didn't exist and these movies didn't connect in any way, I don't think they'd be nearly as successful as they are. The fact that it's a giant connected universe makes people more interested in seeing movies in the franchise that they probably wouldn't have otherwise. There hasn't been a single Marvel movie that you could point at before it came out and go "This won't be relevant to any of the others."

Solo doesn't have that. It's strictly "Do you like Han Solo? Cool. If not? Eh."
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I don't think Ant-Man 2 will be very skippable

I mean I guess you could argue Ant-Man 1 was if you're going to argue "I'm okay with characters just showing up and being treated as if they're already fully established and introduction/backstory doesn't matter." But then you could argue that for pretty much every solo movie

But IW1 made a point to go "Oh Scott's not here because house arrest," and the AM2 previews are going "Hey look Scott's on house arrest," so the timelines are obviously going to line up in some way/there's pretty much no way he's not going to be in IW2, so there's a very good chance he becomes relevant for it

EDIT: Regardless, there's a pretty big difference just in the fact alone that Ant-Man 2 CAN be relevant, whereas Solo couldn't.
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Also, I think it's dishonest a bit to say none of Ant-Man mattered for Civil War.

It sets up how he has any contact with the Avengers whatsoever/why Falcon knows of him, and it makes the Giant Man reveal notable because of the fact that he spends the entire movie only being able to go small.
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Lopen posted...

Ant-Man was a minor part of Civil War

That's the only appearance he's made in any movie that wasn't Ant-Man.

I saw Civil War before it and it didn't matter even a little. I guess you could say for the first movie no one knew he was irrelevant but I think at this point no one expects him to matter so yeah I think it'll be a good test.

You really think people are going to go "Oh Ant-Man is relevant I can skip that" when its timeline is going to mesh into Infinity War/2? Really?

Comparing this to Solo is very strange
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Basically what I mean is that there isn't a movie in the Marvel franchise so far that absolutely cannot impact the plot/cause ripples in other movies, so people keep seeing them to not miss anything.

The Star Wars spin-offs have so far been events that have already happened in the past and have no bearing on anything happening in the future
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Lopen posted...

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The problem is Marvel doesn't do spin-offs. Every movie connects, so people are more likely to not want to miss them. A spin-off that has nothing to do with the next mainline movie is much more skippable, and it came out around movies people chose to see over it.

Not sure this is the whole reason.

I mean Ant-Man is so irrelevant to the overarching plot.

I guess if Ant-Man 2 tanks we'll see if that's matters a lot.

Not really. Ant-Man himself shows up in the Avengers movies and his powers/what he can do/the characters from that movie have relevance to the overarching plot of the franchise.
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My assumption is that they saw how well Marvel does with such a quick release schedule and figured... Hey, Star Wars is even bigger, right?

The problem is Marvel doesn't do spin-offs. Every movie connects, so people are more likely to not want to miss them. A spin-off that has nothing to do with the next mainline movie is much more skippable, and it came out around movies people chose to see over it.
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Yeah but as somebody who loved the online, I'd like to keep that retention rate higher so that it's easy to find people online for more than a month or two
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red sox, just a bit of advice

Stuff like this isn't "interesting discussion"
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Look, let's all just agree that nothing's worse than Papa Johns.

True, but I hate Papa Johns because of the shitty owner. I'm sure the pizza's fine.

But really, why is this level of scrutiny absent with all other fast foods - hell, all other foods period? I can't remember if I've ever seen online criticism against some guy who admits to getting burgers from a dollar menu, but with pizza... if it ain't some old Italian baking buffalo mozzarella in a wood even, apparently it's not worth pissing on.

It happens all the time on this board when people are like "I just go to McDonalds/Taco Bell/whatever" and somebody feels the need to "LOL i only go to local establishments, peasant."
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There's nothing wrong with Pizza Hut but I'll actually take Little Caesar's stuffed crust over Pizza Hut's
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I don't think anybody's worked up...?
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Make my emails grooooow!
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I wonder what would happen if they tucked in a provision that gave Trump the Megazord
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Rusev was one of the most likable people in the match and him winning was actually a surprise

"This sucks"
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I'm not too bummed about no unlockable characters since I like the "one a month" thing they're doing with the DLC characters. It gives you a reason to keep coming back instead of just unlocking everything at once.
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Strikers didn't have even half of that
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It even has the Street Fighter DLC model of being able to earn extra characters!
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It appears it hasn't been decided yet because it was just in beta or something, but they've been talking about a loot box system, basically, so I assume that's where all the "pay to win" stuff I'm seeing is coming from

Gross
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Xiahou Shake posted...

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Q: What is the Gougi system?
A: A system that when activated heavily change the flow of the match by granting special powers and abilities to a character (i.e. Giving a character unlimited Super Meter.) These effects carry over between rounds, so please look forward to dynamic and ever evolving matches!

Q: I want to fight without Gougi.
A: That is no possible; please understand that our goal for this game is to make a game where the battles change and evolve mid-battle. However, you can try experiencing the game without Gougi in Training Mode.

This sounds like a hilariously terrible idea - like, to the point I'd call this an unplayable fighting game just for that - but what about it is pay to win, exactly? Can you pay for broken Gougi effects or something?

I'm not sure if you buy Gougi directly or if you gacha them. Trying to get more details, but I know you buy Gougi in some manner.
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