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UCF lost to nobody
Wisconsin narrowly lost to Ohio State in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play

Except against real opposition they didn't look impressive. They didn't play a ranked team until November. In their 3 games against ranked opposition in November they beat LSU, very narrowly squeaked past Miss State and then got beaten by Auburn.

Prior to November they had the Baylor schedule of the last few years of beating up on bad teams.

They beat Miss State by 7 on an end of game TD after being down in the 4th. They also only beat A&M by 8

Bama had 3 40+ point wins. Mercer, Ole Miss and Vanderbilt.

From November onwards (i.e crunch time) they did not remotely looked way worse than early season

I thought I was being pretty clear in the fact I didn't consider Alabama a top 4 team at selection time because they weren't.

It's not like I'm saying UCF with hindsight. I put my money where my mouth is and bet on UCF to beat Auburn outright, not even with the 11 point spread

I don't care that Alabama are from the SEC. From body of work they didn't deserve it. Their resume wasn't good and they lost their only match against meaningful opposition which is the same as Wisconsin except Wisconsin's loss was closer and in a conference title game Bama didn't play in.

They also have the same number of ranked wins as UCF and that's being generous imo since Miss State were only borderline ranked and USF inexplicably are not.

SEC are national champions because they got in.

Unbeaten team beats nobody all year then loses to a 2 loss Top 5 team in their final season game. Applies to both Alabama and Wisconsin, difference is Alabama got in despite Wisconsin's loss coming in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play. Both have similar SOS on websites that I checked.

Do I think Wisconsin should have been in? Not really but neither should Alabama.

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

So basically what I have read from the press is that the SEC is great because they won their playoff bowl games however you should not take the big 10's performance as meaningful becasue bowl games are not a good measurement for judgement. Also, the committee got everything right.

Checks out.

Basically this. I still think the SEC in general is overrated with Georgia and Alabama being better than I gave them credit for

It is also a travesty that UCF weren't given the chance at the playoffs. They beat the team who beat both the finalists so nobody can say they were out of their depth. Would they have won? Probably not but for me it ruins the legitimacy of the eventual champion through no fault of their own. We have a huge gaping gap between season end and bowl games to sort this shit out with an extra game if there's any doubt. They could have played Alabama in that period for that 4 slot. Of course it wouldn't ever happen but theoretically it's possible when there's a question mark.

What more can UCF do? Be in a power 5 conference? They tried that and the Big 12 got cold feet and cancelled the whole thing. Play a stronger out of conference? That is planned years in advance and no big teams are going to want to schedule UCF now. Win more? They have a Fiesta Bowl and Peach Bowl win in the last 4 seasons which is better than a ton of marquee schools in the same time period.

The system sucks for non power 5 schools as they can't get into a power 5 even when they want to and they can't consistently stay good because recruiting is so much harder especially when the power 5 come calling for your coach after a good season

UInstinctVegeta posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

I'd have gone for that on 4th and 1.

Why?

You are a team that has been called for 1 penalty (at 59 minute mark mind you) all game that has also gone to OT....

Short of throwing a pick 6 or fumbling away for 6 you ARE winning this game. Unless you are short on 4th down

They made the FG so it's whatever but if you have a 550+ yard 45 point scoring offense, I think you're just as likely to make the conversion as you are the FG. And if you convert you have a great chance of winning

That was exactly what I thought when it happened but he only threw the ball because he knew it was a freebie

I'd have gone for that on 4th and 1.

Don't know why you don't run it there.

I don't think it makes OT. I think Oklahoma get to field goal range

Would it kill you to actually be impartial

If it's an incomplete pass then it's intentional grounding.

If it isn't intentional grounding then it's a fumble not a pass and Oklahoma has the ball all the way down the field.

You realize if it wasn't a flag then it's a turnover right?

That was such an awful throw.

Yeah they were woeful in that 3rd quarter.

I don't think it includes today's game but here is the records for each conference against other power 5 conferences this year (Doesn't appear to include Notre Dame either)

Big 10 - 14-5
Big 12 - 8-7
Pac 12 - 7-9
ACC - 10-13
SEC - 7-12

The SEC is ridiculously overrated this year anyway. I think they are 8-12 against Power 5 (plus ND) and their only ranked OOC wins were NC State and Notre Dame (by 1 point)

They got by on name value and most of the conference doing just enough of a circle jerk of mediocrity for them to look like 'good' wins when they weren't.

SEC OOC wins: Notre Dame, NC State, Louisville, Georgia Tech x2, Syracuse, Kansas State, FSU
SEC OOC losses: Wake Forest, Northwestern, Texas, Louisville, FSU, Clemson x2, Purdue, California, TCU, UCLA, Michigan, Troy

Like I don't have a problem with Georgia being in. I have a little bit with Alabama being in (who beat nobody). I get they are in because every body else shit the bed so it's ok I guess. But the SEC really was not good this year, I don't know why they were favored in both these playoff games.

EDIT: I forgot they picked up the Michigan win today too

Also aren't we forgetting the fact that an Auburn defender picked up the UCF RB and then spiked him on his head to no penalty. Which was way worse than Tre Neal going shoulder to back and then debatably brushing the front of his facemask

It absolutely wasn't.

Also just to put it into perspective how big a turnaround that is from the UCF team

51 players on that team were part of the team that went 0-12 2 years ago.

The game was evenly called, there were missed calls in either direction. Nobody got screwed. The difference was the turnovers

Like are you an Auburn fan or something? I don't know how you can say that is an undeserved win.

Now that's targeting

Yeah I'm amazed there was no flag on that

ChampionCloud posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

That wasn't targeting

Direct helmet to helmet contact to a defenseless receiver?

Except it wasn't helmet to helmet? Like I don't know what to tell you if you think that was helmet to helmet. I'm trying to find a replay on Twitter without any luck

That wasn't targeting

Hoping for UCF, Clemson and Oklahoma wins as I have them in a 3 way bet. Got +2000 on them.

I think I'm probably one of very few people that actually thinks UCF will win

LSU play Notre Dame

Caldwell gone

I'm still a ton of money up for the year but could have been more. I lost Big Ben, Bell, Hopkins and Adams this week (although I guess Adams and Hopkins might not have played anyway). It looks like I'll lose by about 20 and Cousins got me -0.6 points. If i grabbed Jimmy G instead like I would have if I realised Rams were resting everyone then I would be down by 1 right now

Oh yeah im not happy about that either but I'd have lost over the 2 week final even if playoffs were pushed forward a week so can't use that as an excuse.

Usually I convince him to do finals in week 16, all the other leagues are at least

I'd like to thank Kirk Cousins for losing me a playoff game for the 3rd straight season. Twice via playing him and once by him blowing up against me. Next year I'm gonna grab him and sit his was on my bench so it can't happen again

I guess technically I haven't lost yet but its likely and if Cousins had got even close to projection it would be like a push right now

Like Bridgewater isn't even good to begin with and never has been. He's also coming off a serious injury so I don't understand why there's even a debate

Xuxon posted...

wait why did they push every relevant game back to 4:30? there isn't a single game worth watching now.

Don't they do it for fairness purposes?

Punnyz posted...

off topic but did you ever check in about getting that red bull street fighter stuff, @ShatteredElysium?

you kinda vanished for weeks after you posted you saw them

They said it was promotional and they didn't own the cutouts so couldn't sell them to me.

Because Zelda is like an action/adventure RPG hybrid with no party members and isn't turn based. That is not my type of RPG. I want stats, turn based and lots of characters

Not really, not my type of game

Wouldn't put either on my list because I haven't played a Nintendo console game since I last owned a Nintendo system which was the GameCube and even that I bought after it's production had stopped

Not everyone plays Nintendo games, I don't see the issue with not having them on the list. I have literally never played a Zelda game

5k exp to get to level 3 as a Mage. That's quite a lot of killing unless there's some quests that give decent exp for only killing a few things

Also where on earth does the lore come from? I see on the wiki characters have backgrounds and I see on reddit people discussing storyline. But I don't see where I actually find out any of the story in game? Or isn't there anything in game and it's all supplementary materials?

Had to switch to my US PSN account because the 10 loot boxes I got with the game wouldn't activate on the EU account. Typically I only got 1 Legendary out of the 10 (free with game) + 6 (login bonus) + 7 (Leveling up) whereas on my EU account I got 2 Legendaries in the first 10 boxes (4 from level, 6 from login). Probably need to keep using my US account though as it's a pain in the ass to add funds for EU PS Plus from the states.

More game related question. How many heroes do you actually have to get good with? Like 2 from each category or is 1 from each category enough?

I don't get why you're upset. From what I read he fights Jiren but survives and then teams up with Goku and from the timeline he survives 2 minutes which is ridiculously good.

There's nothing saying he was eliminated and unless you expected him to eliminate Jiren like right away then him fighting him and surviving is pretty much the best amhe could hope for.

It could be worse, could be a Frieza fan. Spoilers suggest he can't even beat Dyspo solo as he needs Gohan's assistance

Seems like playing against AI is best way to learn characters before playing for real. Forces me off Reaper as well as he's always Insta taken from what I've seen but I'm clearly better with him and Soldier than the others I've tried. Not tried any tanks yet which is probably next step

Got 2 legendary skins so far. Bastion and Roadhog winter ones

That evil laugh was amazing. Like how many years do you think Ted Danson had that laugh up his sleeve and nobody ever asked him to do it. Apparently it wasn't scripted either. That and Eleanor's 'Ya Basic' gets me every time.

I did guess the twist early but was kinda hoping I was wrong. The twist was a perfect way to freshen things up for season 2 as well, I'm only like 4 or so episodes into season 2 though

I've soloed as Bard before but it relied heavily on abusing wands and recharging them via selling/rebuying and also stealing Algernon's Cloak to charm the shit out of everything

In my 4 leagues this year I came:

1st (after starting 0-6, I then won out)
3rd (10-4 regular season)
3rd (10-4 regular season)
Currently losing in a 2 week long championship game (9-4 regular season)

I drafted well in all 4 really but had to do some waiver acrobatics in the league I won. My entry fees for the year were $190 (1 league was free/no prize) and I'm going to walk away with $940-1190 so pretty decent year.