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Tadamoto24 posted...

Patty_Fleur posted...

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'd put my kids before any woman.

Good for you. Personally I'd want to be a woman's number one. Not her stupid kids.

And this is why you should never be a parent.
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kayoticdreamz posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

Capitalism working as intended

it sure is capitalism's fault people are paying as much for their insurance premiums as they are for their mortgage

definitely not government's fault!

it sure is capitalism's fault people are taking on way too much consumer debt for things they don't nee. definitely not people's fault!

this, complete with the snark.

whats sad is the number of people who refuse to become enlightened on the issues. whats also sad is the number of folks that are going to blame trump for this despite the fact is is roughly 100 years of socialist/progressive/liberal policies that have been pushed through that have created this mess.

this isn't the mess of the conservatives....this is the mess of the liberals pushing high tax entitlements and over spending with reckless abandon and killing businesses with regulation after regulation and thus creating poverty and wel fare dependence. this is also the fault of so called conservatives in power compromising at every turn.

yet somehow the liberals here, and uninformed masses who probably shouldnt even be allowed to vote given how politically uninformed most folks are, will simply jump onto the latest antifa/BLM/anit-establishment anti-trump rally and blame conservatives.

all the while failing to realize it is their liberal ideology that broke the system in the first place.

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liberals will no doubt cry racism/sexism/etc. fine leave that as it may be(don't feel the need to argue that as it would be pointless). but the real point here is, we have bigger issues, like a country breaking apart thanks to your failed ideology than screaming at the top of your lungs about "equality" and whatever other feel good issue like "global warming". we can have an honest conversation about those issues AFTER the bigger fire of fixing a government that is filled with your BS entitlements and regulations and other stuff that is creating a perfect storm of death in america.

after that is fixed then we can deal with any so called cries of inequality and all that racism/etc.

Yep, gotta stop putting all those pesky regulations in place that prevent people from getting maimed, dying, or catching some kind of awful disease caused by exposure to some awful chemical while working. Also gotta do away with all those regulations that prevent companies from dumping industrial waste into the water supply so they can make a real profit.
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I prefer scotch. Bourbon is acceptable as long as it's good quality.
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Where are people going to learn that trickle down is literally economic voodoo. Look at what just happened in Kansas and we are going to try it on a national scale now.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Villain posted...

What about people who can't be vaccinated?

Everyone can be vaccinated...

Not actually true. People can be allergic to ingredients. My wife is allergic to something in the whooping cough vaccine. Which is why I get pissed off when morons don't get their kids vaccinated, now they are putting people I care about at risk.
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It depends. Is their society better than ours?
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Every life is precious

Until they are born, then fuck em. Literally the mentality of the GOP. Make poor women give birth to children they can't afford and then cut off the social safety net.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

I find it sad that people assume anyone with a confederate flag likes the concept of owning black people.

It's the only defining feature of the Confederate states.

Well that and treason.
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I actually liked the slow burn world building aspect that everyone seemed to hate.
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Kazi1212 posted...

I get kneeling for the anthem isn't about disrespecting our flag or our country, it's about bringing attention to certain issues, or at least that's what they're saying. But on that same token, why is waving the Confrderate flag disrespectful? They aren't waving the flag to celebrate the history of slavery and oppression, they're doing so to celebrate their southern heritage - the South's history is more than just slavery. So what's the deal?

It seems the real problem is both sides are purposefully trying to misunderstand each other's intentions and create a straw man.

Their heritage and the flag associated with it are treason and rebellion.
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darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

No. You asked why Antifa and BLM doesn't do those things. I provided you an answer why. By all means take whatever actions you need to feel safe. I own guns and I've learned quite a bit of self defense over the years. However, not being a member of law enforcement limits your options. The cops can kick down the door of gang strongholds and arrest everyone there. I cannot. Antifa cannot. BLM cannot. You cannot. The legal protections are not there.

The cops actually can NOT just kick down the door of a gang stronghold and arrest people there. They need evidence, and people willing to testify in court. That means that they need members of the community to step up and actually do something, instead of just living with it, or buying into the bullshit idea that the cops are out to get them because of their skin color.

Also, it's pretty intellectually dishonest of you to sit there and say that Antifa should be allowed to punch people that may kind of a little bit have something resembling a Nazi haircut sort-of, but draw the line at them punching gangbangers. It's just as intellectually dishonest of you to sit there and say that BLM should be allowed to firebomb a police station, like what happened in Minneapolis a couple of years ago, but they can't just stand at a gang stronghold and hold a vigil for all the innocent black people killed by those gangbangers.

You are assuming I said either of those was ok. At no point did I.
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darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

The problem is the issue of the dumbshit false equivalency people like to use. Like with what's currently going on here in St.Louis. Cop kills black guy, is found innocent. People are pissed so some of them protest.. Dumb white people say shit like "well, some little kid was killed in a drive by the other day, why don't they protest that". Unless the person who obviously committed the crime is found innocent of it, why would you protest it? What is there to protest? They aren't even close to the same thing. But intellectual laziness like that makes it easier to ignore an actual problem.

Except black kids die in drive-bys FAR more often than by cops.

Why doesn't Antifa go punch gangbangers in the head? Why doesn't BLM, if they truly care about black lives, lay seige to gang strongholds instead of police stations?

Because they've been taught by people with an agenda that they shouldn't solve their own shit. Because the people with that agenda don't WANT black people solving their own shit.

Because those are the jobs of the police. It is the job of the populace as a whole to hold the institutions that serve them and represent them accountable.

So you're saying that we, as citizens, must resign ourselves to be victims?

THAT is what society means to you?

Don't pretend for a second that you aren't one of the clowns that sits there and decries any form of violence against the swastika carriers/wearers when an Antifa guy shows up and blasts them in the face. So why would you be ok with them doing it to black gang bangers? So far as BLM laying siege to gang strongholds go, the instant they did it people like you would be yelling about "LOOK SEE, EVEN MORE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME". Not to mention if they tried it, they would have to be armed, in which case the cops the would show up and bust everyone involved. In short, you are about as intellectually dishonest as they come.

So, because I don't condone violence against someone NOT BREAKING THE LAW IN ANY WAY, I can't say I don't think resigning myself to be the victim is the way to go?

No. You asked why Antifa and BLM doesn't do those things. I provided you an answer why. By all means take whatever actions you need to feel safe. I own guns and I've learned quite a bit of self defense over the years. However, not being a member of law enforcement limits your options. The cops can kick down the door of gang strongholds and arrest everyone there. I cannot. Antifa cannot. BLM cannot. You cannot. The legal protections are not there.
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darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

The problem is the issue of the dumbshit false equivalency people like to use. Like with what's currently going on here in St.Louis. Cop kills black guy, is found innocent. People are pissed so some of them protest.. Dumb white people say shit like "well, some little kid was killed in a drive by the other day, why don't they protest that". Unless the person who obviously committed the crime is found innocent of it, why would you protest it? What is there to protest? They aren't even close to the same thing. But intellectual laziness like that makes it easier to ignore an actual problem.

Except black kids die in drive-bys FAR more often than by cops.

Why doesn't Antifa go punch gangbangers in the head? Why doesn't BLM, if they truly care about black lives, lay seige to gang strongholds instead of police stations?

Because they've been taught by people with an agenda that they shouldn't solve their own shit. Because the people with that agenda don't WANT black people solving their own shit.

Because those are the jobs of the police. It is the job of the populace as a whole to hold the institutions that serve them and represent them accountable.

So you're saying that we, as citizens, must resign ourselves to be victims?

THAT is what society means to you?

Don't pretend for a second that you aren't one of the clowns that sits there and decries any form of violence against the swastika carriers/wearers when an Antifa guy shows up and blasts them in the face. So why would you be ok with them doing it to black gang bangers? So far as BLM laying siege to gang strongholds go, the instant they did it people like you would be yelling about "LOOK SEE, EVEN MORE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME". Not to mention if they tried it, they would have to be armed, in which case the cops the would show up and bust everyone involved. In short, you are about as intellectually dishonest as they come.
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darkjedilink posted...

Villain posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Villain posted...

Why can't they protest without destruction and blocking roads?!?!

This statement suggests that just because someone peacefully protests, people have to like their protest, or agree with the sentiment.

The fact is, very few people nationally agree with these protests, because of who it's coming from - entitled, privileged millionaires who got that way playing a children's game.

No, this is a common complaint those against the protests generally make.

So when someone does it without blocking roads or damaging property, they still complain.

I'm well aware of that. That doesn't change my point in any way.

Protesting "police brutality" that far more often than not turns out to be legitimate self-defense is stupid in and of itself. You look like a giant douchebag if you're doing it as a multi-millionaire who got that way playing a game.

Yeah that deaf guy that cops just blew away seems like he was totally dangerous what with all that standing there trying to figure out what the fuck was going on.
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darkjedilink posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

The problem is the issue of the dumbshit false equivalency people like to use. Like with what's currently going on here in St.Louis. Cop kills black guy, is found innocent. People are pissed so some of them protest.. Dumb white people say shit like "well, some little kid was killed in a drive by the other day, why don't they protest that". Unless the person who obviously committed the crime is found innocent of it, why would you protest it? What is there to protest? They aren't even close to the same thing. But intellectual laziness like that makes it easier to ignore an actual problem.

Except black kids die in drive-bys FAR more often than by cops.

Why doesn't Antifa go punch gangbangers in the head? Why doesn't BLM, if they truly care about black lives, lay seige to gang strongholds instead of police stations?

Because they've been taught by people with an agenda that they shouldn't solve their own shit. Because the people with that agenda don't WANT black people solving their own shit.

Because those are the jobs of the police. It is the job of the populace as a whole to hold the institutions that serve them and represent them accountable.
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I love people who bitch about Kaepernick. They are little people who care more about symbols of freedom than they do about the actual freedoms those symbols are supposed to represent.
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The problem is the issue of the dumbshit false equivalency people like to use. Like with what's currently going on here in St.Louis. Cop kills black guy, is found innocent. People are pissed so some of them protest.. Dumb white people say shit like "well, some little kid was killed in a drive by the other day, why don't they protest that". Unless the person who obviously committed the crime is found innocent of it, why would you protest it? What is there to protest? They aren't even close to the same thing. But intellectual laziness like that makes it easier to ignore an actual problem.
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Paragon21XX posted...

lilORANG posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

lilORANG posted...

jfc, how you gonna say with a straight face we're not a police state. Those dudes are better equipped than the Predator.

Probably because in a police state these protesters would be literally gunned down.

cops are abridging speech. when any other arm of government does that it is forced to stop. Cops are above the law.

They can protest, on the sidewalks that is. Streets are exclusively for traveling, not lollygagging.

You'll notice genius if you watch the video that the streets are only obstructed by the cops, not the protesters.
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http://rebz.tv/2017/09/18/st-louis-9182017-stockley-protests-night-3-slmpd-traps-mace-and-beat-protesters-including-z/

The first couple of minutes is the camera guy showing the cops setting up the kettle. Around 2:30 is they when they start macing people who are standing or sitting there with their hands up.
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https://m.riverfronttimes.com/foodblog/2017/09/20/chris-sommer-responds-after-police-union-puts-him-and-pi-pizzeria-on-blast
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Mal_Fet posted...

I agree. They should have every right to fuck up their economies on the condition they will get no federal assistence after it falls through.

You mean like kansas did?
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I really wish there was a director's cut version of The Thin Red Line. I'm talking like a version of the 6 hour cut he originally delivered to the studio.
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McCain could have been fine without Palin being involved.
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There is a monologue towards the end of MGS2 in a giant story dump that pretty much predicted with disturbingly accurate detail the preponderance of garbage information overwhelming the internet.
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Imagine being proud of being born on one side of an imaginary line as opposed to the other side of that same imaginary line.
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