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Mal_Fet posted...

Musourenka posted...

And the individual tax cuts expire.

The corporate tax cuts do not.

That's why you reinstate them

Why make one permanent and one not?
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So why do the middle class cuts expire while the corporate ones don't?
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hockeybub89 posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

I'd need to see the evidence that they're talking about to know if the bump up to murder one is appropriate.

Ultimately it's immaterial though. Life in prison, no parole either way.

Literally the only qualifier for murder 1 is that it was premeditated.

Right. We can assume all we want it was premeditated, but I would want to see the evidence if it was my decision.

>get in car
>start car
>follow protesters as they walk back to hotel room
>run them over
>"I need more evidence that this was premeditated"

None of that speaks to premeditation.

Why are you even making a big deal out of this? You think I'm defending him or something?

If you aren't defending him, then why are you being so petty about this? You even said you agree with him getting life. And how is him choosing to run people over not premeditation? Does he need to have a written plan or some shit?

That actually does meet the burden for premeditation legally.
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Apparently the reason they killed off cypher was that the artists hated him. They always hated that they had to show him hiding or something in combat so they begged the writers to kill him off.
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Calling in the witch hunters because obviously there is a Skaven infestation nearby.
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The worship of police in this country has to stop. The victim in this scenario has no training on how to deal with twitchy asshole cops. The police officer has had plenty of training on how to deal with situations like this. Excusing this lapse of judgment that ended with an innocent man dead is exactly why this shit will keep on happening.
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Axiom posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

If this case is decided in favor of the couple it will hopefully be a blow against pharmacists who refuse to fill birth-control prescriptions due to religious objections.

Does that still happen. Wtf

There are some states where it's actually enshrined in law.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/refusing-provide-health-services

Has nice chart on which states allow refusals of certain things.
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If this case is decided in favor of the couple it will hopefully be a blow against pharmacists who refuse to fill birth-control prescriptions due to religious objections.
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I wish someone would just light this guy on fire.
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In this country yeah. In a European country the Democrats would be right leaning centrists.
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Kavatar posted...

Basically the argument is "Those analyses are wrong, growth will be so great the tax cuts will pay for themselves".

Yes, despite Reagan's trickle down failure in the 80s and Kansas current debacle. Pay no attention to those, it will work this time.
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I watched the film and became interested enough in the concept that I read the graphic novel. Holy shit was that a mistake. It's so depressing and dark that it makes the movie seem cheerful.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

KhlavicLanguage posted...

why do trump supporters who are for sure getting screwed by this bill hoping it passes?

Because it's not about anything but sticking it to liberals.

For liberals, it's not about anything but sticking it to people who actually want to get ahead by working for a living.

"Pay for muh college! Pay for muh healthcare! Free things are muh rights!"

Get the fuck out of here. I work for a living. What this is going to do is cut both my company's taxes and the owner of said company's personal taxes and raise mine. The owner will take all of that excess wealth and pocket it. The same for damn near every CEO that's been asked what they will do with the money their company will be saving.In the case of shareholder based companies it will go to the shareholders, not the workers. Anyone who says otherwise is an intellectually dishonest sack of shit.
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KhlavicLanguage posted...

why do trump supporters who are for sure getting screwed by this bill hoping it passes?

Because it's not about anything but sticking it to liberals.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

The Admiral posted...

It's almost like she and every member of Congress pay numerous staffers to read those things.

This is just a publicity stunt. Warren never passes up the chance to play victim.

Uh, show us other high profile bills like this with pages Xed out and ammendments hand scribbled in the margins. This bill is an insult to the process, and from someone I've seen complaining about Pelosis comments on the ACA, you seem perfectly fine with it.

That's because he's a hypocrite and always has been.
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Treason
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Antifar posted...

Cheater87 posted...

They care more about getting reelected than the US people's health.

Nobody fucking likes this bill. It's more unpopular than tax hikes. This is about giving a gift to the richest people in the country and hoping voters won't notice.

They won't notice. That the whole reason they are getting away with it now.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

Surely 3 of these old fucks will wake up and realize this thing is going to kill people?

You are assuming they care.
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Antifar posted...

Rob Cesternino posted...

This. If it was a white woman that shot a gun at a mexican man, she would've gotten a death sentence.

I mean, statistically, killing a white woman is more likely to get you the death penalty than anything.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-penalty-discrimination/

Blacks and whites are murdered in about equal numbers, but what happens to their killers can be far different. Those who murder whites are much more likely to be executed than killers of blacks, Amnesty International USA said Wednesday.
The human rights organization, which opposes the death penalty, said 80 percent of the 845 people executed since the United States resumed the practice in 1977 were put to death for killing whites.

https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Holcomb_Williams_2004_White_female_victims.pdf

Findings indicate that homicides with white
female victims were more likely to result in death sentences than other victim race/gender dyads.

http://www.ncadp.org/pages/race-of-the-victim

In this 2012 study criminologist Scott Phillips examines whether or not racial disparities continue during the administration of Harris County District Attorney, Charles Rosenthal who was in office from January 1, 2001 to February 15, 2008. Previous research suggested that the impact of defendant race disappeared. But this study shows that the impact of victim race continued: death sentences were imposed on behalf of white victims at 2.5 times the rate one would expect if the system were blind to race, and death sentences were imposed on behalf of white female victims at 5 times the rate one would expect if the system were blind to race and gender.

Jesus Antifar, haven't you learned not to bother to confuse these idiots with things like facts.
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tommybel89 posted...

Mikablu posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Why the fuck are people up in arms about this?

Because an immigrant killed someone and didn't hang for it. It's just the typical CE racism.

Nice soft language there. Let me correct you: ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, 5 time DEPORTEE, and 7 time FELON who should have not been in the country at all.

None of those are relevant to this particular case, which has to be decided on it's own merit. I mean it's not like him not being supposed to be here somehow made his bullet magically a homing device that could come straight for this woman.
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This works for real currency as well. Back when China let it's currency inflate to actual market value people who had invested in it became million and billionaires in the course of hours.
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thronedfire2 posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Sure, but that's not really what this article is about. Even mainstream conservatism is being met with hostility and tantrums on college campuses, and that's where the Speech Narcissism comes in. It's not about combating Nazi rhetoric, it's about being unable to handle any opposing viewpoints or differing political views

As if Conservatives are any better? Fuck, as if you're any better? Neither side has any actual interest in hearing the other side out or considering their options, and while this divide had always existed, Trump himself absolutely keeps the divide widening and has no interest in creating an atmosphere of tolerance for the other side. He's not the only one to blame but you'd have to be blind to not recognize his role into this very issue.

Well, there's a reason the article completely leaves out exactly what the right's 'differing ideas' are. Because they're white supremecism, anti-immigration, anti-LGBT. They can't seem to figure out why those ideologies are heavily opposed

Not to mention anti-science and anti-birth control.
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FFIV Edward. I'll also second Jean from BoF2. Also pretty much any of the clearly filler characters from the Suikoden series.
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The Admiral posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yes, but will you at least acknowledge that people chanting "blood and soil" while carrying swastika banners are actual Nazis? Because they do have those on the right.

Sure, but that's not really what this article is about. Even mainstream conservatism is being met with hostility and tantrums on college campuses, and that's where the Speech Narcissism comes in. It's not about combating Nazi rhetoric, it's about being unable to handle any opposing viewpoints or differing political views.

I guess it kind of depends on what you consider to be mainstream conservatism. People like Milo, Bannon, and Richard Spencer deserve to be met with hostility.
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The Admiral posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

Does 'intolerance of differing ideas' really mean 'intolerance of Nazis'?

Intolerance is calling everyone with differing ideas "Nazis."

Yes, but will you at least acknowledge that people chanting "blood and soil" while carrying swastika banners are actual Nazis? Because they do have those on the right.
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Shotgunnova posted...

I should play Bloodlines one of these days. Have had it downloaded for several years, but keep putting it off.

It is a phenomenal game. Make sure you get one of the two mods for it that fix all the bugs.
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Izual_Reborn posted...

http://www.france24.com/en/20171118-syria-renew-gas-attack-probe-un-security-council-russia-blocks-second-time-chemical-weapons

WTF? How can someone on the UN block something like that?

Any one on the security council can veto. It's the very thing that makes the UN completely useless.
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What hotel are you going to stay at?
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stoltenberg11 posted...

Zikten posted...

my prediction is what happened to star wars will happen to Lord of the Rings. they will finally continue the story. there will be a sequel to the War of the Ring

That could be cool if it was actually done well and not LotR 2.0.

Dear god no. There is enough existing material in The Silmarillion and the Appendixes in LOTR to last from now till the end of time.
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Better than it going to a Corporation in the form a tax break.
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Totally draining the swamp and doing away with all that washington croneyism.
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Rikiaz posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Drpooplol posted...

This is one of the worst business interpretations I have ever seen.

If a board of directors believes/knows they can make more money changing their game in a way that is easy to do, are you saying that they don't have a responsibility legally to make that change? Until market trends show that the impact of that change is overall negative (either to company reputation or in sales), they kinda have to try and do it, don't they?

Shadow of War and their loot boxes, for example. If this model makes them more money than they made from the original title, wouldn't that mean that they have made the right decision in terms of making profits?

That's the worst part about it. They did make the right decision in terms of making profits. Which makes it a garbage environment for gamers who want actually good games. That's why 9 out of the last 10 games I've bought have been indie games from devs that wanted to put their heart and soul into the game rather than maximize profits.

Which is why corporation based capitalism is not actually beneficial for the consumer.
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I never did finish it. The storyline was awesome. The gameplay was just too repetitive for me.
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The Admiral posted...

That's what happens to bubbles fueled by irrational speculation.

This. So fucking much.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's a solid, liveable wage. Nothing fancy, but definitely enough.

Yeah...no it's not.
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It helps that she can actually sing, play an instrument, and writes her own songs.
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No church should be tax exempt
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It always cracks me up to see admiral use the term "homogenous society" in discussions like this. Literally saying the reason we have more gun violence here is because of minorities.
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MushroomMuncher posted...

I mostly lurk but after what i've seen in this topic I have got to say none of you should be using this as a way to push your religious/atheist agenda. People are dead and you're sitting here saying "If only they were atheists they would still be alive". That's like saying about the people in Las Vegas "If only they didn't like music they would still be alive." Same goes for the rest of you calling him an atheist. It doesn't matter what he believed in, he was a piece of human shit. Its dumb, how about we focus on the real problem here?

Because then people can't use it to further their own narrative.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

The Steve/Dustin and Steve/Group of kids to me were the best part of the season. As a whole it was great but that stuff really stood out to me.

So you're just really into Steve

I do wish I had that glorious head of hair.
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I believe in being fiscally responsible. That's a far cry from what passes for fiscal conservatism these days.
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The greedy corporations own the corrupt government, and the corrupt government enables the greedy corporations. It's a never ending cycle. The only way to stop it is to remove money from politics altogether.
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The Steve/Dustin and Steve/Group of kids to me were the best part of the season. As a whole it was great but that stuff really stood out to me.
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Garioshi posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Hollywood seems to be as bad as the Catholic Church with all these sexual allegations.

Hollywood doesn't touch the Catholic Church's callousness.

Yeah at least in Hollywood these people are finally being shutdown and losing their jobs. Can't really say that about the church.
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Flynn and Junior have to be in the running. You'll notice they said "first charges" implying that there will be more to come.
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myzz7 posted...

hortanz posted...

Honestly white nationalist should carry more negative weight than nazi considering history so I don't get why people latch on to it as the go to insult either

as bad as white nationalism has gotten in the USA - its never advocated straight up genocide like nazi ideology.

You do realize Spencer has advocated for what he called a "peaceful genocide" against the african race. I'm going to assume that is some sort of forced sterilization to prevent them from breeding, I don't believe he ever clarified what he actually meant by "peaceful genocide".
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But but...benghazi.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

while not unexpected, I hate the smug centrist bs where people laugh at (usually poor) people who voted for Trump suffering as a result. fuck that shit.

People who voted for Trump should be laughed at.

The average Trump supporter makes 73k a year. Poor people are demonized enough, we don't need to demonize them more.

That seems too high, lol

I can assure you that here in Missouri that is not the case. All the poor factory workers I work with that voted for him (pretty much the entire factory) all make less than 35k a year.
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"WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! The guy who deserted his post and then committed treason won't have school named after him anymore!!!"
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pikachupwnage posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

Capitalism working as intended

it sure is capitalism's fault people are paying as much for their insurance premiums as they are for their mortgage

definitely not government's fault!

it sure is capitalism's fault people are taking on way too much consumer debt for things they don't nee. definitely not people's fault!

this, complete with the snark.

whats sad is the number of people who refuse to become enlightened on the issues. whats also sad is the number of folks that are going to blame trump for this despite the fact is is roughly 100 years of socialist/progressive/liberal policies that have been pushed through that have created this mess.

this isn't the mess of the conservatives....this is the mess of the liberals pushing high tax entitlements and over spending with reckless abandon and killing businesses with regulation after regulation and thus creating poverty and wel fare dependence. this is also the fault of so called conservatives in power compromising at every turn.

yet somehow the liberals here, and uninformed masses who probably shouldnt even be allowed to vote given how politically uninformed most folks are, will simply jump onto the latest antifa/BLM/anit-establishment anti-trump rally and blame conservatives.

all the while failing to realize it is their liberal ideology that broke the system in the first place.

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liberals will no doubt cry racism/sexism/etc. fine leave that as it may be(don't feel the need to argue that as it would be pointless). but the real point here is, we have bigger issues, like a country breaking apart thanks to your failed ideology than screaming at the top of your lungs about "equality" and whatever other feel good issue like "global warming". we can have an honest conversation about those issues AFTER the bigger fire of fixing a government that is filled with your BS entitlements and regulations and other stuff that is creating a perfect storm of death in america.

after that is fixed then we can deal with any so called cries of inequality and all that racism/etc.

Yep, gotta stop putting all those pesky regulations in place that prevent people from getting maimed, dying, or catching some kind of awful disease caused by exposure to some awful chemical while working. Also gotta do away with all those regulations that prevent companies from dumping industrial waste into the water supply so they can make a real profit.

Nice strawman. Too many regulations and wanting toxic waste in the water obviously are not inherently the same position.

I didn't say they were. If you make a blanket statement like "regulations are bad" i'm going to point out how certain regulations aren't. It's not my fault he failed to clarify the kinds of regulations to which he's opposed.

I've worked in manufacturing my whole life. Every company I have ever worked for skirts the rules or outright breaks them whenever they can to turn a higher profit. A machine shop I used to work for had a sink that we dumped waste coolant down that flowed directly into the creek behind the shop. A large commercial refrigeration company I work for currently used to evacuate freon from compressors directly into the air instead of reclaiming them into a pressurized cylinder the way they are supposed to. Without regulation, enforcement, and penalties for not following them companies will fuck over their employees and their local communities without a second thought all to make an extra buck.
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