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silentwing26x posted...

Should've been imprisoned for life right alongside the Nazis.

Clearly you have no knowledge of operation paperclip or the fact that NASA was basically created with the help of scientists we snagged during it.
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That story with him and the terminally kid still makes me cry like a bitch to this day.
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darkjedilink posted...

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Musourenka posted...

Disney ruined Star Wars by making the extended universe non-canon.

EU was never canon. Which is good because the vast majority of it was garbage.

No, it was canon.

Source?
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Musourenka posted...

Disney ruined Star Wars by making the extended universe non-canon.

EU was never canon. Which is good because the vast majority of it was garbage.
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Anyone who thinks this won't be disproportionately applied to racial minorities isn't paying attention.
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That sort of thing might happen on Peyote or Mescaline, not shrooms.
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We didn't really win WWI so much as we cleaned up at the end. Imagine the boxing match in Rocky 1 between Rocky and Apollo. They are both exhausted beaten bloody messes that can barely stand. Then in the last round some guy bigger than both of them jumps in the ring and starts beating on Rocky. That fresh guy taking a side at the last second was the US, it simply sped up the end the of the war to a conclusion that pretty much already inevitable.
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What I don't get is the sudden decision to start going after whites in South Africa. Right at the end of the apartheid regime or immediately thereafter I could get it. But it's been 24 years ffs. I'm guessing it has to do with not having Mandella there to restrain them.
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If I recall correctly he was pro-reg, unveiled himself as Peter Parker and got the ever living shit kicked out of him, and then realized maybe registration wasn't such a good idea.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The real estate industry collapsed because mortgages were given out like candy. We need to stop treating home ownership as if it means building wealth, because we saw where that got us in 2007-2009. Borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars and putting down just 3% is not a way to build wealth. It's a way to be trapped into a massive monthly payment for 30 years, severely stunting mobility and wealth building ventures.

If someone's income is too low to reasonably afford putting down 20% as a down payment, they're not in a position to rush into getting a mortgage.

Yes and the reason that the banks were handing out mortgages like candy was because there was no risk in it for them, they were going to get paid either by the loan actually working out or by government bailout.

The point I made still stands. Lowering lending standards is just a way to trap people into remaining stuck for 30+ years when they're struggling to pay massive mortgages because they put down just 3%.

I get that but the alternative is to be trapped paying rent which you have nothing to show for in the long run. The real problem is wage stagnation. The reason previous generations were able to pay 20% down and get reasonable terms on their mortgage without becoming house poor is that they were paid a decent living wage.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The real estate industry collapsed because mortgages were given out like candy. We need to stop treating home ownership as if it means building wealth, because we saw where that got us in 2007-2009. Borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars and putting down just 3% is not a way to build wealth. It's a way to be trapped into a massive monthly payment for 30 years, severely stunting mobility and wealth building ventures.

If someone's income is too low to reasonably afford putting down 20% as a down payment, they're not in a position to rush into getting a mortgage.

Yes and the reason that the banks were handing out mortgages like candy was because there was no risk in it for them, they were going to get paid either by the loan actually working out or by government bailout.
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This kind of shit is why the actual left progressive wing of the democratic party is starting to separate itself from the corporate centrist wing. Hopefully it will eventually spell the end of the party as more voters shift further left economically after each collapse of the banking and real estate industries that is consistently caused by this sort of deregulation.
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TheGrindery posted...

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TheGrindery posted...

Neil Degrasse Tyson breaks that shit down in a way I can understand without reading it three or four times. Lol

But he's incredibly insufferable and smug so.. swings and roundabouts.

Why do some say this? I only watch his interviews, shows and other informative stuff. His book Astrophysics for people in a Hurry was awesome.

Does he say things people don't like on Twitter or something? I don't use social media.

Low information types get butthurt anytime someone has to explain a thing to them.
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andel posted...

hunting is necessary. deer population would be completely out of control without it.

and can't go wrong with a glock tbh very reliable

Only because we've killed of the majority of their predators.
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silentwing26x posted...

DarkieDLXVI posted...

Never heard of rent control until now. Did a quick read. Why repeal that?

Because rent control has been proven to not work.

IE it doesn't allow landords to artificially inflate rent prices to keep poor people out of their apartments.
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TheGrindery posted...

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omega cookie posted...

"Religious discrimination is fine. Being a police officer is the same as being in the KKK."

I never said it's the same thing. Choosing a career path or choosing to go to church is a choice.

Suppose it was pretty much any other job? No firefighters...or no cashiers...no fast food workers.

People in those lines of work don't usually murder or brutalize people while in the process of doing their job.
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Ben_Ruggiero posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

As someone who has had dysentery I can honestly say that yes, yes it does.

Are you a sailor from the 1700s

Lol no, I legit got it from a large midwestern sit down restaurant food chain. To be fair it wasn't actually dysentery, it was Shigella (which is what causes dysentery) I thought I just had really bad food poisoning so after 3-4 days of stomach pains and shitting all the time I went to the doctor and had to submit samples. 3-4 days later I get a letter from my state's department of health wanting to know where the i'd eaten recently and where I could have possibly gotten it.
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As someone who has had dysentery I can honestly say that yes, yes it does.
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I enjoyed the more serious toned aspects of the clone wars but its bad episodes were pretty bad. At it's best moments it was way way ahead of rebels. But rebels is more consistently good.
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Funbazooka posted...

So why is all this really getting some up in arms and out for blood? The emotional response is a bit odd unless those who are really offended have anti-capitalist socialist communist antifa what-not sympathies. The types who are enemies to the U.S. as much as any given Neo-Nazi.

Maybe it's just because most of us don't appreciate intellectually dishonesty and historical revisionist bullshit.
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SomeonesAlt posted...

The Admiral posted...

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The Admiral posted...

I don't see why that should have been deleted. The Nazi government was not only socialist, it was the most successful example of socialism in practice that the world has ever seen. But like all socialist governments, it necessarily became authoritarian and oppressive.

Long, in depth article and a relevant passage
https://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

However, the assumption that because the word socialist appeared in the partys name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.

Nazis weren't socialists at all. Just in name, and as a guise.

This is what happens to every socialist government, so it's not an argument. State owned property and radical resource distribution cannot happen without an incredibly strong central government, which always ends up authoritarian. The main difference between Germany and current-day Venezuela is that German socialist policies were much more effective at providing resources to German citizens.

Hitler and his men didn't actually have a socialist mentality though. It's arguable that we have yet to see a country actively embrace socialism because somewhere along the line, someone decides to push for more power. I think a lot of Germans and even non ranking members of the Nazi party were fooled into believing they were participating in a socialist government, but the higher ups never had any intention.

Do you have any examples of socialist governments that went to shit despite actually trying to be socialist, rather than a select few using socialism as a guise for a power grab?

One of the first things the Nazis did when they took over was bust all the unions and replaced them with a Government and party run organization that stripped all the old union rights away from the workers.
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Anteaterking posted...

Most people who think the Nazis were socialist don't seem to recognize the difference between the government seizing the means of production and the people doing it.

The Government never actually seized control of the means of production. Companies were privately owned by the capitalist class the same as they were here in the US. Just because your entire industry starts pumping out war materials at behest of the Government doesn't mean you suddenly become socialist.
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Admiral go read the first third or so of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer (it's the most comprehensive analysis of personalities, politics, and goals of the major players in one place). Then come back and talk. At least then you will have some basic knowledge and might actually contribute something.
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Doom_Art posted...

What's with all these conservative red states and their crappy school systems

And four day school weeks

They've cut taxes on businesses so much that they have no money to actually pay for their schools.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Alt-righters sure do love their pseudoscience.

Considering the Nazis used shitty pseudoscience like phrenology to justify their racism does this really surprise you?
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Totally a guy I want in charge of the nuclear arsenal.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

but remember guys, there's absolutely nothing wrong with having governments that are big and invasive and powerful and that take in trillions of dollars in tax revenue each year

Has zero to do with tax revenue and more to do with the GOP pandering to it's Religious conservative base.
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Kingcrabcake is such a good little german.
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Had this happened right at the end of the apartheid regime i could somewhat understand it. This late after the fact though makes no sense.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

https://twitter.com/CaseyCagle/status/968199605803454465?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E0

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I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back.

did this guy just blackmail a company in public?

No, thats just how our political system works.
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Run in there? No. Lumber ponderously like the fat slob he is? Maybe.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Vita_Aeterna posted...

While I don't believe in communism, the theory itself is well thought out and anyone who believes in it should not be simply dismissed as a "cool rebellious intellectual."

You know, you can literally execute the "Communist" method of Worker controlling the Production / Factory within a Capitalist System.

Just have every Worker of the Company pitch in money to start said company and help run said company with equal results in pay.

We'll see how long they last compared to other companies.

When every Worker has a equal company ownership share, equal pay, equal work hours, equal contributions of labor. You'll get your Communist Company.

There are plenty of employee owned companies out there that are highly successful.
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COVxy posted...

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COVxy posted...

And it worked. People who have been calling themselves liberals, democrats, all their lives are now calling themselves "leftists", to make it clear that they didn't support Hillary, but Bernie.

People on the left who don't support the neo-liberal corporate agenda have always called themselves progressives or leftists. Where have you been since the Clinton administration?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Leftist

Funny how the term has had a recent spike in popularity, and also did just after the 2004 election. Almost like when democrats suffer a crippling defeat, people schism off to avoid blame and put the Democratic party 'that they're not a part of' up as the scapegoat.

Oh i'm not saying it's certainly not more common now. Generally it has little to do with blame shifting and instead has to do with people actually coming to a bit more awareness of their political positions and how they relate to the parties and/or candidates. Example being, the Clintons are neo-liberal foreign policy hawks. Bernie was a semi-isolationist democratic socialist. The only reason to vote for one if you supported the other is that they are still (barely) on the same side of the right/left axis. The fact that both are members of the same party is only really due to the fact that US has a two party system. Compare Kennedy's social policies and foreign policies to that of the Clinton's and I think you would find a difference that in any country with a parliamentary system (read greater number of parties than two) would place them in very different parties albeit on the same side of the right/left axis.
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I hung mine from the I-Beam in my basement so I could get full access to it from any angle.
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Samurontai posted...

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M_Live posted...

I'd just like to point out that the same people who cling to the Constitution when arguing about guns also tend to be the same ones who complain about protesters

People who also claim that the 2nd amendment is supposed to protect them from tyrannical government are usually the same people who are perfectly ok with it every time the police murder unarmed civilians.

I always thought that was hilarious

"I'm pro gun, and hate big government but I love the police and military and they can do no wrong!"

They practically worship all the aspects of a big centralized government lol

Yeah they actually like the idea of having all of the authoritarian aspects of of a big strong government but none of the benefits (thinks like a social safety net and universal healthcare).
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M_Live posted...

I'd just like to point out that the same people who cling to the Constitution when arguing about guns also tend to be the same ones who complain about protesters

People who also claim that the 2nd amendment is supposed to protect them from tyrannical government are usually the same people who are perfectly ok with it every time the police murder unarmed civilians.
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Reminder: Everything in the constitution has a mechanism that allows it be changed based on the will of the people who live under it's rule. That's how things like prohibition happened and unhappened. That's how things happened like slaves in the southbeing counted as 3/5s of a person and the later slavery became prohibited.
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Antifar posted...

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Antifar posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

and payed women to accuse Donald Trump of sexual assault?

This did not happen. Why are you lying?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-hillary-clinton-donor-paid-500000-to-fund-women-who-would-accuse-trump-of-sexual-misconduct/article/2644747

Bloom told the New York Times that her venture ended up being unproductive and that none of the women wanted to move forward with the plan. Bloom added that one woman even requested $2 million in order to proceed with her accusation but subsequently decided not to take part in the endeavor.

Consequently, Bloom said she had to refund the Clinton donor most of the money, but that she kept some of it. The money that was kept, Bloom says, went to the expenses that she accumulated while vetting the potential women willing to publicly accuse Trump.

Lol the dumbass didn't even read the article he himself posted.
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Antifar posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

and payed women to accuse Donald Trump of sexual assault?

This did not happen. Why are you lying?

Yeah there is totally no way that a guy who bragged about committing sexual assault on tape would ever actually do it.
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COVxy posted...

And it worked. People who have been calling themselves liberals, democrats, all their lives are now calling themselves "leftists", to make it clear that they didn't support Hillary, but Bernie.

People on the left who don't support the neo-liberal corporate agenda have always called themselves progressives or leftists. Where have you been since the Clinton administration?
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Yeah some of the horror stories i've read on the Soviet atrocities during the fall of Berlin just make me want to vomit. Women literally being thrown onto horse carts and raped to death by lines of soldiers. Once they died they were pushed to the back of a cart and another thrown up there to meet the same fate. Girls as young eight. Babies ripped from their mother's breast and smashed to the ground or used as target practice.
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hollow_shrine posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

The guy was a racist, homophobic, anti-semite, anti-catholic televangelist. He simply had a more likable personality than assholes like Jerry Falwell so people for whatever reason respected him.

Those are mostly people who didn't have his target on their backs, and the privilege of ignoring the greater consequences of his rhetoric.

Of course, just like any other demagogue ; p
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The guy was a racist, homophobic, anti-semite, anti-catholic televangelist. He simply had a more likable personality than assholes like Jerry Falwell so people for whatever reason respected him.
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Yep, that's the Governor of my state. He had an affair with a woman, then after the affair was over he got her tied up bdsm style and took nude photos of her and used that to blackmail her to keep her quiet about the affair.
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I actually work with a guy who keeps his handgun in his glovebox, carries it with him when he walks into the house, and takes it with him everywhere he goes in his house, especially when he's in the bathroom. He also sleeps with same gun under his pillow everynight. The only time it is not within immediate grabbing distance is when he is inside at work with me.
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Teachers didn't sign up to teach to be fucking bodyguards for your kids. It is your responsibility to pass laws and create a society that protects your kids. It is not a teacher's job to die because you value your right to own firearms more than the lives of your children and your fellow members of society.
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Ugh. Whatever you do, do not let yourself get dry socket.
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josifrees posted...

Holy shit why are all the politicians in this country so fucking shitty. I cant think of any that I even want anywhere near the Presidency

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope."

George Carlin
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