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MZero posted...

[7] Ulti - MZero

try again

Lol

I could see an argument that "oh mzero was just bussing Ulti with the random early vote" but it would have been so easy for you to jump off at any point so I'm not buying it right now.

You didn't bury him like the L's did so I'm not giving you quite as much credit. But this looks like pretty bad flailing from plum. "More to work with" off of 3 flips... and his work hasn't jived with where I'm at, at least.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So uh, I feel like that was the most wrong in a game of Mafia I have ever been.

--> Me after stanning ben for more than 5 topics during Mario

It's humbling, huh

masterplum posted...

Though actually...

Hmm

I know nothing about flavor, is 2 scum teams a possibility? Unsure if MISHIMA ZAIBATSU is the only faction that could be scum here.

Oh yeah, it was odd that it didn't just say scum or Mafia in his flip.

When Ulti first "caught" sbell in a slip and we moved on, i said that if either one flips scum then there's probably funny business.

Well, both are dead and one was scum. So there's probably funny business in the setup.

I'm being a little dramatic about it, but basically:
Corrik could be scum but his what, one post defense? was weak and he didn't really put his body into it. I'm hesitant to link them just for that.

The igcd comment I can kind of understand and maybe I'm going too hard into wifom territory, but i cannot see a scum igcd partnering with him that explicitly and early into the day.

I'll be honest, it didn't occur to me that you thought sbell might have been a vig kill. I thought sbell looked super town after the flip (as do lea and especially lopen). Is that not reason enough for scum to kill sbell? I don't understand why you IMMEDIATELY assumed that it was Ben who was the normal scum kill.

masterplum posted...

Now this is interesting.

IGCD is the one that jumps out to me but he could just be bad town.

Thinking Corrik is probably scum too yeah. His half defense of Ulti could be him trying to put up a defense without actually committing

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell. Thats also interesting. Who was thinking sbell was scum

Now there is a lot to work with here

This entire post except for the last sentence is a whole bunch of "wat"

I like the votes on kirby.

##Vote: kirby

I also want to keep plum and hb in the conversation.

Damn he really is the new mzero

Columbus

Dc

Probably too little too late, actually.

My two biggest town reads are on lopen and Kirby. I feel better about lopen than Kirby (but lopen is another player that I've never been great at reading, and we admittedly haven't been in many games together and definitely not many without Han here).

I could go on kirby, igcd? Thoughts?

Wow. That strong of a read on him?

I generally hate the argument that ABC would do XYZ if 123, and since they didn't do XYZ that means not 123, for the record. Putting words in the mouth of other players and such. Icky.

That was one of the most damning things about ulti in my book, it felt like he was taunting a protection role to come out and counter him after he was feeling pinched to begin with.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I want to go on the record I don't like the Ulti lynch.

It is super quiet which makes me feel like it's something scum is content with, but on the other hand we've seen instances where the scum team just wants to cut their losses not give town anything else to work with.

I think ben is onto something with Kirby and agree with lopen about hb.
Isq is town that never knows how to act like it.
I was thinking that plum was town but i was convinced of that in Mario too... i have to admit i can't really read him, I guess.
Igcd is definitely town. Red as well. Those are the two lynches that i won't humor under any circumstance.

I think it's 9 to lynch? Or 20 minutes.

I'm good with Ulti and can put my vote down but don't want to accidentally end things early.

I was mostly joking about the death thing but that was a heck of a slip if ulti is scum.

Ulti/death/hb/kirby/? Pack it up folks

Dammit, Ben

htaeD posted...

Looking back Ulti didnt even start fakeclaiming King until page 3, after folks already called him more serious than usual.

Looks like an overcorrection to me that didnt pan out.

One should also keep in mind that Ulti's attitude towards Lea in general was questionable at best.
He said he suspected her for a long time (since the flavor claim) and yet did nothing against her for most of day1?

Why do you say it like that, Death?

I thought you were saying that it makes no sense that he claimed bp when he wasn't, not because he could have lived longer if he hadn't.
My b

PunishedBen posted...

Then again Ulti claimed he was bulletproof day 1 last game for reasons that make no sense as well so I cant fully say his decisions in regards to claiming should make sense

... because he was one time bp and he wasn't told when it was broken, and obviously that's not the kind of thing you tell the scum team.

Like, I think Ulti is scummy here sure, but let's not make things up

masterplum posted...

Does scum lopen act so brashly trying to kill town?

Yes, or at least he did with kingmaker iirc

Lopen has a habit of webbing things together in a way that is difficult for others to see.

I felt inclined to unvote you for the pun alone, but the rest of the post is good too. You're right, you pass.
##Unvote

wallmasterz posted...

I dont remember who got interested in the whole sbell all 3 scum comment but I am interested to go back and see if those same people chimed in here.

This was Ulti, sbell, Death, and me i think. My view point here is that if either sbell or Ulti flip scum then it's worth considering. Until that happens idgaf about the number.

Dc

In paper Mario didn't i call 3 people on the scum team with my EOD proposal? Not the whole team, but for how bad i was that game i would have done significantly better if i just trusted my d1 reads.

My theory is that wallz is scum because he is creating fake reads without much behind them.

Lopen posted...

To elaborate

Nothing Wallz said then or since implied there was any sort of flavor/role dichotomy in his read.

All Wallz said is "ulti is playing weird he's not drawing attention to himself" which is imo completely incorrect. He cfwr Ulti if anything.

This feels like you completing sentences for wallz to see him in the best light, since he's in your town pile.

Lopen posted...

Wallz is towncleared by early Ulti suspicion and Hb reaching too hard to make his logic read as town logic

Not a good thread to pursue imo

You don't think he has it in him to lightly engage with a mate early on day 1?

Can you elaborate on what you see between hb and wallz that clears wallz? I think they're both scum.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I think your C grade was appropriate. I was really disappointed that he had nothing to say about the guy who voted for the guy who is voting him, or the guy voting him. But that's because I'm self absorbed.

Super wishy washy on sbell, Ulti, and plum, all of whom have been a big focus today. It feels extremely reserved.

Lopen and igcd are both in my town camp.

I'm just getting back to my t1 & t2 reread now. Wallz' early shitposts were endearing but insufficient once the game got rolling, is all I've got so far.

Peace___Frog posted...

That's not at all related to the post of mine that you quoted.

To elaborate, what I'm getting at is that Ulti complained last topic about how he's only being lynched for activity and b8 is letting inactives coast on by.
And now he's saying that the votes right now don't matter because we're going to end up specialing some random afk at the end of the day anyway?

It doesn't track. Both arguments separately make sense in their situations, but if he was actually concerned enough about being lynched that he claimed, and he obviously felt pressure... why the sudden indifference afterwards?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I would like uncountered town protection to not be lynched yes.

That's not at all related to the post of mine that you quoted.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its probably nothing. Not like we arent going to special a random afk anyway.

Weren't you just a little bit ago complaining that b8 is obsessed with killing the active players?

Corrik who are the top 3 players you want to see lynched

Obellisk posted...

i mean that "ulti is town" from corrik. hard as fuck.

Better than wallz fake as fuck!

htaeD posted...

Psh, all the time..

On later days.

Well I've seen you turn to scum or get shot before that happens, i guess.

swordz9 posted...

The mentality of someone never held accountable for anything in their life sure is something.

Truly

htaeD posted...

I am just the kind if guy that likes to have opinions and reactions written down for future reference.

Do you ever do anything with them

masterplum posted...

I'm still really confused how I got tied to ulti other than saying nothing he did was outside the range of what ulti does. What a strong defense

I think the argument is that you have an important role and it's what, 5 or 6 hours to deadline, and Ulti was worried about you dying before getting your action off, so he popped a grenade, threw it, and made a big show of jumping onto it?

I'm not following what you're saying about Lea, Lopen

Lopen posted...

Plum, Ulti, and Hb are no doubt scum

I could see it. Of these 3, I feel strongest about hb.

Ulti has dug himself a heck of a hole. This level of inconsistency is impressive even for him.

I don't have a good enough memory with plum to point to any specific game for comparison. It's just a vibe.

I don't like it or agree with it but i don't think it's scummy right now.

Because his response feels like town to me.

At risk of echoing myself from every other game, death, i agree with sbell that your reads look lazy so far.

I disagree with plum entirely about day 1s but i think he's town here.

I've said it before I'll say it again, I'd rather be special'd than see there be NL

I interpret that as Kirby saying not that you necessarily gained town equity, but that you hadn't gained any scum equity in his book. And for that reason he was giving you some town equity.

But I'm willing to reevaluate my read, sure. I'll have plenty of time to reread topic 1 tomorrow afternoon when I'm getting my hair done.

Shocked Pikachu face dot jay peg

A sharper knife will serve you better across the board, it's going to be safer and give better results for everything. But i understand the hesitancy.

Well i don't know anything about f2021. Before my time.

It was tidus, Kirby. Thanks.

Not that this tangent really has any bearing on anything here at all... I guess it's an excellent example of how fickle memory can be, and is a lesson i should take more to heart.

PunishedBen posted...

Oh yeah, that one. How could I forget

I think he had a Z in his name? But it definitely wasn't isq.

You're confusing him with that one newbie, Ben.